JUNE 9, 2008 - DAT MINING THREAD

[Aymee]

http://bluegartr.com/JuneUpdate/img/item/18497.png Foolkiller
DMG:90 Delay:489 Accuracy+7 Attack+7 Latent effect: STR+8
Lv. 72 WAR


http://bluegartr.com/JuneUpdate/img/item/18498.png Balestarius
DMG:88 Delay:504 VIT+8 Physical damage taken -8 Campaign: Occasionally attacks twice
Lv. 74 WAR

http://bluegartr.com/JuneUpdate/img/item/19029.pngBrave Grip
Increases critical hit damage
Lv. 72 All Jobs

Oh... *faps*

Oh god...

*faps moar*

*EXPLODES WITH ORGASMIC GLEE*

Eeh? These don't particularly excite me. Like, at all.

Foolkiller ... base dmg is too low for any productive use. Lower delay, okay... meh. Even if it's possible to have the latent on 100% of the time I can't think of many circumstances where you'd put this in a 6-hit setup for that second or two less toward another WS where you're so busy hitting gearswap macros you wouldn't actually gain any time. If you were in a brd-cor merit PT you could probably pull it off. Really though... comparable attk/acc bonus to voulge, the str bonus doesn't cover the base dmg rating. ~10% base dmg decrease vs. a ~10% lower delay doesn't sound all that exciting, hm?

I can appreciate an all +crit setup but... it's completely at the cost of other important things.
Actually. Wouldn't the delay ruin 6-hit? I suppose you could put on the new +storeTP gear, but again that's at the cost of other vital stats.

Campaign gax seems cute, and if it's an AN item I'll likely pick one up for the awesome price of free.

...

Concerning all the nyzul weapons... there's got to be some gimmick. We don't know what the quests are like or anything, but even if it's zero effort, getting weapons that weak just for a possible new WS would be way up there on the list of really stupid hyped stuff that went poof. Given the POL article and the fact they gave each weapon a backstory I'd expect something better for everyone. There'd seriously better be some freaking massive trick to these things or I'm going to send the development team poison cookies. ...Or something. Idunno, one of the forum rules is not to threaten them if I recall

[Alistaire]

1) Mighty Strikes
2) Brave Grip
3) ???
4) Profit

Or Sneak Attack. This might make a valid case for Vulcan Staff + Brave Grip for BLU Cannonballin too.

[Katlan]

Concerning all the nyzul weapons... there's got to be some gimmick. We don't know what the quests are like or anything, but even if it's zero effort, getting weapons that weak just for a possible new WS would be way up there on the list of really stupid hyped stuff that went poof. Given the POL article and the fact they gave each weapon a backstory I'd expect something better for everyone. There'd seriously better be some freaking massive trick to these things or I'm going to stab the development team.

If they really don't have any stats (assuming that perhaps the data mining is somewhat incomplete), then maybe the acquisition of one of the weapons perma-teaches you "that" ws for "X" type of weapon? It could be a new way to acquire ws's akin to the ws-esque quests via the trial weapons? This would make the original relic's still the most desirable by "just" adding a new ws and not a weapon w/the old weapons have to compete w/. Not to mention it will prevent people from DW'ing relic's.

I'm just throwing it out there, but knowing the way SE has done stuff in the past it might not be that far off

[Atreides]

zoning into Salaheem's Senitinels office (I've finished ToAU missions and am captain rank, unsure if either is required) gives you a cutscene with ovjang and naja, they tell you to bring them weapons from nyzul (I guess floor 100 weapons?).

oh and Kilusha now sells this, I'm pretty sure it's gotta be related:
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v1...609_174053.png

[Lothiriel]

Perhaps all the stats on the Nyzul weapons are hidden effects? With additional hidden effects unlocked as certain quest goals are completed? Just a guess.

[Reznap]

100k ampoules for that patch better get like 5000 per einharjar win now...

[Kaslo]

1) Mighty Strikes
2) Brave Grip
3) ???
4) Profit

Or Sneak Attack. This might make a valid case for Vulcan Staff + Brave Grip for BLU Cannonballin too.

If brave grip works for spells.

[Bakthi]

Am I the only one here thinking twice on those macc and matk stave? they don't look any better than HQ staves

For BRD, the macc staff is extreme win. Better m.acc than HQ ele staves, plus 10 CHR, plus 10 MND for stoneskin, AND we can use it with Earth/Light grips.

The thing is...this will let me get rid of Fire Staff. But I'll still want Apollo's for curing and BST or /BST, I'll still want Terra's for when I'm going to get hit, and I'll still want Dark Staff for resting. So it goes.

[seiji]

Perhaps all the stats on the Nyzul weapons are hidden effects? With additional hidden effects unlocked as certain quest goals are completed? Just a guess.

perhaps you can not complete them yet, but you just can do stages, remember sch/dnc AF in WoG disk with blank stat

[Arcaneo]

1) Mighty Strikes
2) Brave Grip
3) ???
4) Profit

Or Sneak Attack. This might make a valid case for Vulcan Staff + Brave Grip for BLU Cannonballin too.

If brave grip works for spells.

if not, there is this:

Wise Strap
Magic critical hit rate +3%
Lv. 71 All Jobs

[Kaslo]

1) Mighty Strikes
2) Brave Grip
3) ???
4) Profit

Or Sneak Attack. This might make a valid case for Vulcan Staff + Brave Grip for BLU Cannonballin too.

If brave grip works for spells.

if not, there is this:

Wise Strap
Magic critical hit rate +3%
Lv. 71 All Jobs

similarly the same problem... BLU magic is janky on rules

[Atreides]

The Miraculous Dale
Client: Rakuru-Rakoru
(Holy Owen's Square, Lower Jeuno)
Summary: Rakuru-Rakoru from the Orastery wants you to collect research data by defeating all the monsters recorded in the Data Analyzer and Logger EX (Dale).

just went to speak to this NPC and he gave me a magic doll key item (like the one from the windy missions) and told me to kill the following NMs and then report back to him:
Tumbling Truffle
Tottering Toby
Blubbery Bulge
Black Triple Stars
Drooling Daisy
Jolly Green
Sharp-eared Ropipi
Buburimboo
Daggerclaw Dracos
Trickster Kinetix
Ixtab
Gargantua
Shadow Eye
Boreal Coeurl
Boreal Hound
Boreal Tiger

i have no idea if it's related to anything but yea, fuck killing all those ;/

NOTE: i dont know if everyone gets the same list of NMs, but yea :<

[Rellikard]

Image Alkalurops
DMG:49 Delay:366 HP-10 INT+10 MND+10 CHR+10 Magic Accuracy+20
Lv. 73 THF/WHM/BLM/BRD/SMN/SCH

+

[quote:2rhwaxzy]Image Dorje
DMG:42 Delay:402 MP+20 "Magic Atk. Bonus"+25 MP recovered while healing +10
Lv. 75 THF/WHM/BLM/BRD/SMN/SCH

=

Goodbye Elemental Staves

that weapon is so broken, this must be SE's attempt of reviving BLM's [or just allowing us to solo anything we wan't w/greater ease] ;p My only complaint (lol): Hello re-used models!!![/quote:2rhwaxzy]

And hello compensation for 7 new grips to carry around.

[Max™]

Eeh? These don't particularly excite me. Like, at all.

Foolkiller ... base dmg is too low for any productive use. Lower delay, okay... meh. Even if it's possible to have the latent on 100% of the time I can't think of many circumstances where you'd put this in a 6-hit setup for that second or two less toward another WS where you're so busy hitting gearswap macros you wouldn't actually gain any time. If you were in a brd-cor merit PT you could probably pull it off. Really though... comparable attk/acc bonus to voulge, the str bonus doesn't cover the base dmg rating. ~10% base dmg decrease vs. a ~10% lower delay doesn't sound all that exciting, hm?

I can appreciate an all +crit setup but... it's completely at the cost of other important things.
Actually. Wouldn't the delay ruin 6-hit? I suppose you could put on the new +storeTP gear, but again that's at the cost of other vital stats.

Campaign gax seems cute, and if it's an AN item I'll likely pick one up for the awesome price of free.

Foolkiller is more just interesting because it's a new Gaxe that doesn't completely suck (here's looking at you, Fourth Toporok, a.k.a. That bastokan Toporok +1) but the Campaign axe should be awesomesauce, since I've been looking for something to get me more excited about Campaign.

Now if I can just get my fucking update to stop timing out after the check files, but before the download files.

As for all crit, it's at the cost of other things, except for War in merits, high Dex gear options, viable crit build, ability to get silly + Crit %'s, and a Crit TP WS means Brave grip (assuming it's +10% like X's knife, the only other "increases critical hit damage" item I know of) will be pretty unbeatable for RR spamming.

Take the current rough max RR with full crits and 5 hits using Perdu, right around 2100... bump that 2300~ and tell me you'd say "eh, that's not worth losing 2% DA or 3% Crit rate".

[Phraust]

The Hachiryu set seems to be missing a head piece. Anyone found it yet? or was it just not included?

[Rowe]

This is SE's version of SHOCK and AWE. I can't believe it really SAM looking Armor multiple Jobs can wear. Too much for me to absorb.

[Atreides]

The Hachiryu set seems to be missing a head piece. Anyone found it yet? or was it just not included?

not all sets have headpieces, like RSE and blessed, so it might not have one.

[Alistaire]

1) Mighty Strikes
2) Brave Grip
3) ???
4) Profit

Or Sneak Attack. This might make a valid case for Vulcan Staff + Brave Grip for BLU Cannonballin too.

If brave grip works for spells.

if not, there is this:

Wise Strap
Magic critical hit rate +3%
Lv. 71 All Jobs

similarly the same problem... BLU magic is janky on rules

Brave Grip should work for BLU physical magic. Regardless of whether it does or not, Wise Strap won't help, with Sneak Attack having +3% crit rate to your 100% crit rate isn't going to help.

Coiler
Occasionally grants the automaton bonus melee attacks.

And anyone else notice SE just gave all PUPs a Ridill? lol

[Byrd]

just went to speak to this NPC and he gave me a magic doll key item (like the one from the windy missions) and told me to kill the following NMs and then report back to him:
Tumbling Truffle
Tottering Toby
Blubbery Bulge
Black Triple Stars
Drooling Daisy
Jolly Green
Sharp-eared Ropipi
Buburimboo
Daggerclaw Dracos
Trickster Kinetix
Ixtab
Gargantua
Shadow Eye
Boreal Coeurl
Boreal Hound
Boreal Tiger

Most of those, I have seen in Nyzul Isle. Obviously, the Boreal mobs aren't, and maybe a couple of others (Ixtab? Buburimboo?), but that could cut down on some of the difficulty. Are the Boreal mobs always up, or just when someone with Genkei II active approaches the cave?

[VZX]

Are the Boreal mobs always up, or just when someone with Genkei II active approaches the cave?

Always up, as far as my experience goes.