Ixion discussion thread

[donnie]

Kaeko explained it in details , there is 1 thing that I only thought about at the last 10min before maintenance . The Damsel memento could be full HP recover, since he didn't use it within minutes but rather 20-30min? so I assume that you get about 30min to get him from 100% HP to 0% HP , or he will recover all his HP back.

So my question to Kaeko would be if you could see a timer between each damsel memento in ur screenshots? Cause if it follows specific 30min or 25min rythem, then it might be true


p.s: yes we engaged with rdm whm pld nin brd , thf rng blm . wasn't that serious since we were scouting both Ixion and Sandworm, but then he wasn't really hard to hold after knowing his moves.

I might add that his charge seems random to me but he will face in the direction of the charge before starting running through alliance, and that will give everyone enough time to run away from his range since he will follow straight line from where he is facing.

[Kaeko]

I screen'd nearly every Damsel Memeto. Was defnitely the rarest of the TP moves. Only saw about 8-10 in 90 minutes.

Also, I'm 100% sure Blacat (PLD/NIN) was blocking. He was taking a lot of 50 shots even without Sent.

[Kenji]

Interesting Info. I would postulate the following, with regards to the maintainance:

1. Stygian Ash aggroing it is a bug
2. Having no life bar is a bug

If neither of those are changed, then they aren't bugs. If so, there has to be something more to this fight. I'm gonna go out on a limb, and say you can't kill it without a lifebar, so the next step is figuring out how to make said lifebar appear. Either another item is needed, or you need to do something during the fight. Or you need to do something prior to the fight.

Since it's name is Dark Ixion, and not just plain Ixion, then I'm assuming there is a Light Ixion somewhere. He has to be in the .dats; have they been checked thoroughly? My guess is that Light Ixion will help you in some way, to defeat his darker half. The horn and tail seem to indicate drops, but it's possible there could be some reward system here, too.

I can't imagine SE putting in Dark Ixion, with at least 4 drops/rewards, and then not adding Light Ixion who is the key to killing it until the next patch. This presumes Light Ixion has anything to do with this.

[Kaeko]

Kaeko explained it in details , there is 1 thing that I only thought about at the last 10min before maintenance . The Damsel memento could be full HP recover, since he didn't use it within minutes but rather 20-30min? so I assume that you get about 30min to get him from 100% HP to 0% HP , or he will recover all his HP back.

So my question to Kaeko would be if you could see a timer between each damsel memento in ur screenshots? Cause if it follows specific 30min or 25min rythem, then it might be true


p.s: yes we engaged with rdm whm pld nin brd , thf rng blm . wasn't that serious since we were scouting both Ixion and Sandworm, but then he wasn't really hard to hold after knowing his moves.

I might add that his charge seems random to me but he will face in the direction of the charge before starting running through alliance, and that will give everyone enough time to run away from his range since he will follow straight line from where he is facing.

I think I got nearly every Damsal Memento for about 1 hour...

xx:41:05
xx:49:38
xx:59:58
---------- 1 missing here?
xx:18:29
xx:27:50
xx:33:46

Usage frequency seems to be about 8-10 minutes?

You may be on to something with a pattern. With the amount of TP spammage during the fight, I find it unlikely this move was random...

[Shiriokumo]

can u post a link for the bbqls on odins ixion attempt vid?

[Khamsin]

The one in the air was Evrae.. the one under water was Evrae Altana. You cure or threw x potion at Evrae Altana because its undead.

The big secret of WotG... Altana is undead!

[Acturus]

I can't imagine SE putting in Dark Ixion, with at least 4 drops/rewards, and then not adding Light Ixion who is the key to killing it until the next patch. This presumes Light Ixion has anything to do with this.

I could see that making sense. If we compare it to the only other NM like it (Odin), then it stands to reason that this NM, rather than having a Death attack, just has no HP bar and some sort of benediction-type move, it may be a prelude of things to come.

[terranova]

are the devs gonna show a video of them killing Dark Ixion in af with rdm/war tanks?

With Ixion using all of it's abilities and the tanks still take 0 damage.

hehe

[Kaeko]

OK Here are some selected images I took. I focused on the TP moves.

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Trample damage... Looks like regular attack but basically hits anyone in its path while running. Again, runs 10 steps forward for about 30' every 90ish seconds. Seems avoidable by having tank with back to wall.

http://img505.imageshack.us/img505/8493/trampe1jw3.png
http://img505.imageshack.us/img505/8...d036aa650c.jpg

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Archeron Kick - small 5' AoE physical damage + Knockback. Flail type move.

http://img411.imageshack.us/img411/7532/kick2it9.png
http://img411.imageshack.us/img411/7...be905543d0.jpg


I'll get more as I go but ImageShack is sucking.

[The Blackrose]

are the devs gonna show a video of them killing Dark Ixion in af with rdm/war tanks?

With Ixion using all of it's abilities and the tanks still take 0 damage.

hehe

Don't forget the dramatic zoom on the chat log.

[Kaeko]

Rampant Stance - 5' AoE physical damage + Stun. Seems to be able to critical hit or be blocked. Can also evade. I saw SAMs evade this with Third Eye quite a bit I think.

http://img177.imageshack.us/img177/719/stance3zl6.png
http://img177.imageshack.us/img177/7...eca4217795.jpg

http://img177.imageshack.us/img177/3764/stance4zw7.png
http://img177.imageshack.us/img177/3...5a985efa71.jpg

[Raislin]

It was an interesting fight to watch. I didn't really take any screenshots, but I tried to gather as much info as I could. I should have known Kaeko was doing the same. I didn't think of coming here first, so I put everything I figured out on the ffxiclopedia wiki. Feel free (of course) to edit whatever you think needs it. I died a few times trying to test barthunder against it's lightning based attacks (it kept trampling me [1 hit kill on my WHM ~800 damage]), but ended up not getting any results due to unrelated deaths.

One important thing that I didn't see mentioned is that AoEs and the trample will hit you whether or not you have any enmity. So spectators should take care.

I saw the animation for Damsal Memento, but couldn't find anything in my chat log, so I'm glad to know the name. I didn't add anything about it to ffxiclopedia wiki since I didn't really know what was going on.

Last thing: I really hope killing pixies isn't necessary to actually fight him.

Good job to BBQ for their attempt.

[Kaeko]

Wraith of Zeus - 10' AoE Thunder Element Magic Damage + Silence.

http://img393.imageshack.us/img393/7194/zeus1ic9.png
http://img393.imageshack.us/img393/7...a3727030fd.jpg

http://img393.imageshack.us/img393/2655/zeus4ui5.png
http://img393.imageshack.us/img393/2...2a50955e52.jpg

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Damsel Memento - No clue what this does but here's a pic.

http://img393.imageshack.us/img393/4439/damsel1aa3.png
http://img393.imageshack.us/img393/4...c38f0731cc.jpg

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Lightning Spear - Frontal/Conal AoE Thunder Elemental Breath Attack - Extends to upwards to 15'ish from front.

http://img138.imageshack.us/img138/492/spear3ah4.png
http://img138.imageshack.us/img138/4...9e3c946467.jpg

http://img393.imageshack.us/img393/2211/spear4gz9.png
http://img393.imageshack.us/img393/2...c5425bc70a.jpg

[Ohemgee]

How many people minimum do you think you'll need? Support jobs would probably be used out of the ass. And again, SMN/RNG damage seems to be the most efficient.

[Khamsin]

Someone just needs to open a memory editor like ArtMoney or ollydbg and do the same thing that people in the apkallu thread have been doing already. There's a certain spot to watch that contains his HP, whether his bar is visible or not.

See if his HP goes up when he uses that move.

No need for hacks or illicit software. Nothing you can't admit to using on here, anyway, given that with a game like FFXI, a memory editor is only good for looking but not touching, other than perhaps temporarily changing the way an item's name is displayed on your computer or something else benign. Any "real" hacks would require a little more automation than just poking around manually in memory.

[Spekkio]

probably a terrible idea, but i'll share it, let it get shot down and move on. the thread on zeni rewards currently claims that lower HP= higher points from photo. could you take pictures throughout the fight and use that as kind of a metric to determine his HP? w/ him moving around so much though, it may be useless data.

[Kaeko]

Blacat (the PLD) seemed to tank fine solo.

Assuming they fix the HP and it's not some massive Regen mob like KV, I would personally do...

PLD/NIN
PLD/NIN
RDM/BLM
BRD/BLM
WHM

Then SMN or SAM/THF for DD assuming the fix Sneak Attack since you can do full damage from backside.

Find some corner or wall and have the PLD tank in there. Have the BRD use the new JA to get songs up without getting near the tank(s). The thing is it moves around a lot with Knockback moves and that trample thing if you do not position yourself exactly, but it has very low range on AoEs as far as I can tell. Elemental Seal Elegy and Elemental Seal Slow seem nice. I wouldn't start thinking about low manning anything until I saw this die at least 1 time though.

This is all predicated on the idea that it doesn't have massive Regen and Damsel Memento isn't some like Benediction move.

My overall feel on the moral of this fight is position is key. If you let Dark Ixion run around on you it will destroy you with badly placed Tramples, Lightning Spears, and just generally running really really fast. If you can pin it in a corner and seal hate, it's AoEs are very low range and you can control breath damage and completely eliminate trample.

[Aemora]

Calling ApRadar ... That shows you %'s without shit being targetable or visable.

[Ohemgee]

Lets hope they Ninja fix his HP bar. Seeing how you couldn't even scratch the Dark Rider, you'd figure once he's engaged and aggroes (similar to a Chigoe or Shark in sea) he'll actually be a able to engage.

[Gunitsoldier]

Blacat (the PLD) seemed to tank fine solo.

Assuming they fix the HP and it's not some massive Regen mob like KV, I would personally do...

PLD/NIN
PLD/NIN
RDM/BLM
BRD/BLM
WHM

Then SMN or SAM/THF for DD assuming the fix Sneak Attack since you can do full damage from backside.

Find some corner or wall and have the PLD tank in there. Have the BRD use the new JA to get songs up without getting near the tank(s). The thing is it moves around a lot with Knockback moves and that trample thing if you do not position yourself exactly, but it has very low range on AoEs as far as I can tell. Elemental Seal Elegy and Elemental Seal Slow seem nice. I wouldn't start thinking about low manning anything until I saw this die at least 1 time though.

This is all predicated on the idea that it doesn't have massive Regen and Damsel Memento isn't some like Benediction move.

My overall feel on the moral of this fight is position is key. If you let Dark Ixion run around on you it will destroy you with badly placed Tramples, Lightning Spears, and just generally running really really fast. If you can pin it in a corner and seal hate, it's AoEs are very low range and you can control breath damage and completely eliminate trample.

Secret to kill is using the new MNK JA as only source of DMG.