New ToAU NMs (Now with 100% more Pandemonium!) pg77

[Lexa]

Didn't someone say that TP moves hit you from way afar, though? Or did I read it wrong, meaning that the mobs could follow you to their "zone line" that they refused to cross, and then TP move you across that line?

English, second language, bla bla bla...

Thread cleansed. I tried to allow everyone at least one off-topic post and deleted the major derails.

I don't care if you don't like it, I did. You people have ruined Airplane for me, and for that you shall never be forgiven.

I love you.

[Wizerd]

Someone in my LS mentioned perhaps having a pt of BST in an outside Ally for a few gears?

Yeah yeah I know, BST on HNM = wut, but Pande pops in a place WITH other mobs around him. Could at least make use of them, ne?

BST can't really do anything with the unreliable hate the gears seem to have. Besides I don't think the mobs in the area are even close to an acceptable level.

Sure they can. The pet will follow the gear when it chases back after the kiter, and keep hitting the gear because mobs don't suffer from the latency effect we suffer from when following behind a mob to hit it. Same goes for SMN and PUP pets.

Didn't someone say that TP moves hit you from way afar, though? Or did I read it wrong, meaning that the mobs could follow you to their "zone line" that they refused to cross, and then TP move you across that line?

English, second language, bla bla bla...

Rail Cannon has a 20' range from any gear monster, and if you're kiting or moving it around a lot, it's bound to make it seem like it can hit anyone at any time. Just sic the pets onto the gears, stand back, and wait. Since Rail Cannon is a physical move, slimes should last pretty decently against it.

[Sidanoir]

Nice try guys/gals! Sucks to have to lose so much exp figuring stuff out...funny how much other people play backseat driver and whine/complain !

If you made any "mistake" in my opinion it was not killing the remaining gear at 1% to see what happens...but who cares honestly it was your pop! Great effort and stuff I am sure people will figure him out soon!

[Izzy]

The amount of QQing in this thread is fucking unbelievable. If you don't like the strat they used, get your own fucking Pandemonium Key.

Thanks for posting while you were fighting for us.

[Sagacious Sundi]

Thanks for fighting and posting, guys. Some questions:
-Did the skull lamps "become" the gear lamps or did they just despawn? Or was it kinda hard to tell without .dat editing?
-Did it become a battleclad/battledressed chariot again? There was a screenshot but from the angle it looked like it could've been a normal chariot, BCC, or a long-bowed/long-gunned chariot.

I've reread the last few pages to make sure I didn't miss anything, but I didn't see anyone answer/mention these. I apologize if it's already been answered.

[Rocl]

The amount of QQing in this thread is fucking unbelievable. If you don't like the strat they used, get your own fucking Pandemonium Key.

Thanks for posting while you were fighting for us.

Aside from the obvious lolno100%droptriggers, everyone seriously shut the fuck up. I don't feel like going back through and deleting this bullshit again.

Go back and read when everyone else is talking about gears as they were actually fighting it. Some people suggested they keep one alive, just in case. And they did. Remember how you bitched and moaned they tried Wajaom before Aydeewa? Didn't you "tell them they should've fucked done Wajaom those goddamn idiots", and now you're saying "they should've killed all the fucking gears those retards!"

It sounds like there were two different paths of actions, which led to two different theorized results, and they chose one.

It was heavily theorized in this thread that by killing the gears he would repop all of them. Spoilers: This has precedent!

It wasn't even mentioned until much later that there might be a possibility of him repopping as a Dvergyr without killing all
the gears. In fact, I think they were killing the last gear when those one or two posts were made. (I had to reread all this shit last night, so maybe you should go reread it too) Spoilers: I can't think of a mob where killing it before the pets is a bad thing!

To the Kirin comparison; because four unique names and mobs are comparable to thirty generic names and previously unknown mobs.


PEOPLE WOULD'VE BITCHED HAD THEY KILLED ALL THE LAMPS TOO. YOU CANNOT PLEASE FUCKING EVERYONE. THANK YOU FOR STATING THEY SHOULD'VE DONE IT DIFFERENTLY. I'M PRETTY SURE THE NEXT PEOPLE WHO TRY ARE GOING TO KILL ALL THE GEARS. COME BACK TO THIS THREAD THEN, AND GLOAT ABOUT HOW RIGHT YOU WERE. I BET YOU'LL STILL BE A DOUCHEBAG.

If it does something crazy or simply repops afterwards then we should start considering the 8 elements/8 gears, # of ZNM fought vs # of gears correlations,

This is a terrible idea. There are still thirty gears in the DATs. That's not even a fucking multiple of eight. If anything there is a correlation between the ZNMs and the lamps- but that may just be simply an aesthetic choice. This monster is not Absolute Virtue. I don't know about you, but barring some crazy shit when the gears die- it seems boringly straight forward. Even if he does repop more Lamps.

I have more to say, but I have an appointment to keep.

[Baelwulf]

Pure speculation but if they spawn as skulls [edit]and transform into gears, and there are 30 entries in the dat[/edit] then it would logically follow that there would be 15 individual skull lamps that morph into 15 individual gear lamps?

If so, starting with it could go:
8 then 7 then none(or repeat)

or 8 then 4 then 2 then 1(adds to 15) then none(or repetitively 1, or repeat, god forbid)

[BerenTebogo]

This shit is almost worse than the AV theories when the AV video was released, jesus fucking christ all you people are god-damned morons.

That said, I question the judgment on being the first group to pop a mob that hard and not have expected a good 8-10 hours of zombying to get even a single clue, but that's fine, you still did a really good job, but unfortunately I think it was a bit rushed, nevertheless, it's appreciated.

The rest of you with your elemental weakness, number theories, Ix'Aern shit, and all the rest - holy fucking shit - holy fucking SHIT.

How about we keep it simple yeah? Next group kills all the gears, and posts. FUCK YEAH SCIENCE.

You're all idiots.

[Lordwafik]

That said, I question the judgment on being the first group to pop a mob that hard and not have expected a good 8-10 hours of zombying to get even a single clue, but that's fine, you still did a really good job, but unfortunately I think it was a bit rushed, nevertheless, it's appreciated.

I agree. While appreciated to pop and stuff, why on a thursday night in the middle of the week as opposed to a saturday afternoon, still baffles me.

[Acturus]

That said, I question the judgment on being the first group to pop a mob that hard and not have expected a good 8-10 hours of zombying to get even a single clue, but that's fine, you still did a really good job, but unfortunately I think it was a bit rushed, nevertheless, it's appreciated.

I agree. While appreciated to pop and stuff, why on a thursday night in the middle of the week as opposed to a saturday afternoon, still baffles me.

Not to be too overly critical, but if I was part of a group that had my key item taken from me in a brief lapse of common sense, I'd sure as hell try to rectify the situation as soon as possible to save a little face.

I don't blame that group for trying on a Thursday night. I'm sure some of them felt they had the weight of BG on their shoulders.

They got a LOT of useful information from the first pop, and Thursday night or not, they got to be the first to pop and do more than stand around watching it decimate everyone in 30 seconds.

It was just one more decision they made as a group that will be corrected later by themselves and other groups who follow them.

fo' shiz.

[Baelwulf]

That said, I question the judgment on being the first group to pop a mob that hard and not have expected a good 8-10 hours of zombying to get even a single clue, but that's fine, you still did a really good job, but unfortunately I think it was a bit rushed, nevertheless, it's appreciated.

I agree. While appreciated to pop and stuff, why on a thursday night in the middle of the week as opposed to a saturday afternoon, still baffles me.

I think this can be fairly simply answered. They tried to pop once before, and made a move that was ill-advised(but that's here nor there) and got dicked over by SE's sloppiness. They finally get their pop item back and they're raring to go again.

[Kraig]

If it does something crazy or simply repops afterwards then we should start considering the 8 elements/8 gears, # of ZNM fought vs # of gears correlations,

This is a terrible idea. There are still thirty gears in the DATs. That's not even a fucking multiple of eight. If anything there is a correlation between the ZNMs and the lamps- but that may just be simply an aesthetic choice. This monster is not Absolute Virtue. I don't know about you, but barring some crazy shit when the gears die- it seems boringly straight forward. Even if he does repop more Lamps.

To be fair, I think Magus was saying that the one logical strategy of killing all the gears first should be tested before people start throwing out their absurd theories of elements and such.

[Rocl]

If it does something crazy or simply repops afterwards then we should start considering the 8 elements/8 gears, # of ZNM fought vs # of gears correlations,

This is a terrible idea. There are still thirty gears in the DATs. That's not even a fucking multiple of eight. If anything there is a correlation between the ZNMs and the lamps- but that may just be simply an aesthetic choice. This monster is not Absolute Virtue. I don't know about you, but barring some crazy shit when the gears die- it seems boringly straight forward. Even if he does repop more Lamps.

To be fair, I think Magus was saying that the one logical strategy of killing all the gears first should be tested before people start throwing out their absurd theories of elements and such.

No good can come of discussing inane theories until the basics are tested.

Also, I'm going to rule this thread with an iron fist from this post forward.

[Kraig]

If it does something crazy or simply repops afterwards then we should start considering the 8 elements/8 gears, # of ZNM fought vs # of gears correlations,

This is a terrible idea. There are still thirty gears in the DATs. That's not even a fucking multiple of eight. If anything there is a correlation between the ZNMs and the lamps- but that may just be simply an aesthetic choice. This monster is not Absolute Virtue. I don't know about you, but barring some crazy shit when the gears die- it seems boringly straight forward. Even if he does repop more Lamps.

To be fair, I think Magus was saying that the one logical strategy of killing all the gears first should be tested before people start throwing out their absurd theories of elements and such.

No good can come of discussing inane theories until the basics are tested.

Which is exactly what I just said. Test the only logical strategy we have at the moment, then if all seems lost, start the wild goose chase.

[Arthars]

tsola and gang did alot already

they popped it, fight it, did some things they can and obviously they cannot do everything to test this NM in a run..........

if you wanna test your theory, then get your own fucking key

dont bash them with "i knew you should have done <this and that>"

geeze some of you guys are morons siriously

[Izzy]

tsola and gang did alot already

they popped it, fight it, did some things they can and obviously they cannot do everything to test this NM in a run..........

if you wanna test your theory, then get your own fucking key

dont bash them with "i knew you should have done <this and that>"

geeze some of you guys are morons siriously

lol

Can someone from the LS that fought it tell us if you're close to having another key?

[Mojo]

I'm reposting this so it doesn't get lost in the sea of bad ideas.


ROCLhttp://www.megaupload.com/?d=U10D28W5COPTER

It's a DAT file that will attach a number to the end of each Pandemonium Lamp. Knowing this can be very helpful in revealing the exact purpose and significance of the individual lamps. If anyone here gets a key before my group please use this. To install it just replace ROM4/1/67.DAT with this file.

[Kimkytaru]

Can someone from the LS that fought it tell us if you're close to having another key?

I think (note the I think XD) that they said they wont try again unless someone have a solid strat.

[tsola]

For the people wondering why Thursday night vs. Weekend, I doubt it would make much of a difference. We spent a good 7hours there, and we still had a lot of people in Aydeewa before it depopped. It's not as much that people had to go because of work/school reasons, it's more that this wasn't fun anymore and we wanted to go.

And no, I won't be personally getting another key, for a while at least. Getting the key was kind of a bizarre series of events anyway, I never had any intention of going after Pandemonium. I was mostly doing the NMs with my small LS for gear, but one thing led to another and we teamed up with another LS for the tier4s, which we proceeded to go 3/3 on and here we are.

Personally, while the mob is obviously beatable, there's no way you can do the initial 8gears thing without some kind of zerg 1 gear>wipe>hold>zerg1 gear>wipe>repeat situation. You can hold it for a good while by having anyone with movement speed claim PW, run out of the room, get drawn in, run to the opposite exit of the room than you exited the first time(so you don't run into the gears on the way back), and keep doing that. Our thf held it for about 7mins once using that strategy, however it's very easy to mess up. The Rail Cannon spam while fighting was just too much. Getting hit with 5 at once for 500dmg each=dead people. The range of it seems huge as well, people were getting hit all over the place. Definitely larger than normal gears.

[Lordwafik]

Yeah rail cannon is a terrible TP move to have on a shared gear hate system :S