New ToAU NMs (Now with 100% more Pandemonium!) pg77

[Therin]

Nice, gotta go get some Gears pop sets now.

Also whatever drops Organics probably also drops Naglering, unfortunately.

[Local]

Whats the strategy to defeating the gears?

[Doc]

So Mamool is still MIA? Pop location etc.

[Seeko]

Awww. Kudo beat me to posting our pics. But I have more! I took some throughout the fight to show the resistance levels of the Armed Gears NM.

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I pointed out the different damage resistances at the different hp %'s it was at. I'm not a BLM, so I don't know everything about spell resists and such, but we all noticed that damage took large increases about every 25% or so. That last picture where the mob is at 2% and suddenly resisted, I dunno. maybe the NM changed it's en-spell shortly before. I missed it.

Taking the NM from 100%-60% took about 40 minutes. had a little trouble with our tank dying mid-cure, so kited a bit. seems to move at or just under normal speed, so was easy to kite. When we started back up, the BLM's just took turns kiting between nukes, from what I could see. it went 60% to 10% in about 5 minutes (the time it took me to unweaken after an AoE).

[Mojo]

Did Gotoh Zha the Redolent, F-5 in Wajaom Woodlands. It's a BLM/WHM mob capable of casting ga spells and such, but it can easily be stunned and enfeebled. It used Manafont and Benediction throughout the fight as well as a pretty strong Groundburst weaponskill at around 20% HP that killed two people. It was otherwise very easy.

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[Zekyr]

Leave it to someone to post a screen wrecking thoughts right after I post them, haha. I agree with you guys though, They probably have a shot at the pieces you said. The above pic of Gotoh Za supports this.

So right now current thinking is all tier 3s have one certain drop special to them (more than likely a weapon) which can drop 1-2 times (see double Cletine pic) and 1-2 random enkidu/oracle/aurum pieces (hands/legs/feet confirmed so far) which honestly now that I think about it would definately seem much more SEish than my original idea, since you can't farm a single tier 3 over and over to get a specific piece. Whether they have a limited drop choice (like only one from each set, or something) remains to be seen, but right now I think everyone will agree that they at least have a possibility of dropping several different ones. The final thing they can drop seems to be 1-2 random elemental grips, seems to also be random and it seems they all can drop.

That's honestly not too bad, you get a shot at up to 6 drops on each tier 3 by that thinking.

And following up my above post with this list as promised:

Remaining possible drops for the ZNMs:

Rare--------------------------------------------------------
Fragarach
Organics
Shusui
Pachipachio
Nanatsusayanotachi
Foolkiller
Alkalurops
Dorje
Antares
Enforcer
Airy Buckler
Mrgn. Cotehardie
Antares Harness
Zahak's Mail
Oily Trousers
Ancient Torque
Crapaud Earring
Roundel Earring
Cuchulain's Mantle
Cuchulain's Belt
Witch Sash
Brave Grip
Wise Strap

RareEx--------------------------------------------------------
Oninohocho
Hacchonenbutsu Dangozashi
Mekki Shakki
Naglering
Shenlong's Baghnakhs
Simba Buckler
Legion Scutum
Reikyo Hairpin
Nobushi Kyahan
Magic Strap

Looking back over, theres a lot more non-Ex weapons than I thought. Not counting the three sets and the armor drops on the tier 3 NMs (since current thinking just was ruined) there's 10 Ex drops unaccounted for, 4 on tier 2, and 6 on tier 3.

Perhaps coincidentally, perhaps not, there are 10 more Ex drops (I excluded the few with Campaign-related descriptions) unaccounted for yet (I think, unless I missed a post) which may coincide. I'm gonna recall my guess on the three Tier 4s dropping one grip each, since two have near matching effects, but the third is unrelated and is Ex while the others are not.

If I had to guess, the reikyo hairpin, nobushi kyahan, simba buckler, and probably one of the other less useful Ex drops (Magic strap maybe, or possibly the super-long name GKT) will fill tier 2's missing drops.

The other 6 will probably each be on one of the 6 tier 3 NMs we haven't seen a non-armor set drop on yet.

Of course, SE could just swap it all around and give them non-Ex drops, but I'm just following the pattern we've seen so far. I don't think SE's going to put any sellable drops on any NMs that are easy to repop and kill now, as a counter-RMT method. I'd expect the first non-Ex drops, if any, on the tier 4 NMs, requiring 9 other kills just to do them once.

I put a few items in italics I'm pretty cure will drop from other NMs in pairs, perhaps Guivre or something. KA drops two Avalon items, Serket drops a white and black tathlum, just seems to be a pattern. No idea on where the rest of the non-Ex weapons might come from yet, which is a shame since some of them rock. I still think the tier 5 NM will drop the two power staffs, but as for the rest, no idea. Perhaps he will have some of the other items as well (the Zanshin GKT maybe, would coincide with the effect all over Hachiryu), and maybe some of the Tier 4s will have some, we'll have to see.

But yeah, soon as I finish matching the rest of the tier 2/3 drops up, I'll toss up the huge ass diagram I've been filling out.

[Doc]

Awesome info on Mamool thank you!

[chapstick]

Killed verdelet, really easy. Cape onry QQ

[ronin sparthos]

Antares Harness is a byproduct of the Sandworm Serket it seems.

[Flippant]

I figured Antares Harness would probably drop from Serket and Zahak's Mail from Guivre, but nice pointing out the two paired items too, now the tathlum make sense to me.

[Klein]

THE SECRET TO OB DISCOVERED!


Ob takes on the form of OTHER AUTOMATONS THAT ATTACK IT.

Tested and proved tonight on Asura. We took a group to kill 3 Obs. First two Obs, he turned into Stormwaker instantly after being hit by a BLM puppet nuke. Third Ob, the PUP came on MNK. Ob never changed from harlequin and we were ASSRAPED LIKE THERE WAS NO TOMMORROW. After we all died, the PLD managed to kite (i had raised him) Ob for a very long time as we tried t oregroup. the MNK had HPed, and come back as PUP. before anyone hit Ob, the PUP had his puppet nuke Ob, who INSTANTLY changed to RDM form and was then raped hardcore.

Once Harle Ob hit 40%, he began one shotting out part one by one.

On a side note, Ob will stand at the spot of his ??? for like 3m inutes before he despawns. He is easily kited even without gravity because he constantly stops to cast silly spells like Dia, but his Cure IVs make DoT-kite solos nearly impossible, combined with the fact that he gains INSANE amounts of TP from being hit/cast on.

http://i30.tinypic.com/50ji8o.png

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[Sid]

I know people did the vampire tier 3, but I never saw the Pos. Can someone please post that.

And if anyone has done the Wamora tier 3 also, could you please post the Pos also.

We're about to go buy both and finish our 3/3 for the cerb route.

[Meian]

THE SECRET TO OB DISCOVERED!


Ob takes on the form of OTHER AUTOMATONS THAT ATTACK IT.

Tested and proved tonight on Asura. We took a group to kill 3 Obs. First two Obs, he turned into Stormwaker instantly after being hit by a BLM puppet nuke. Third Ob, the PUP came on MNK. Ob never changed from harlequin and we were ASSRAPED LIKE THERE WAS NO TOMMORROW. After we all died, the PLD managed to kite (i had raised him) Ob for a very long time as we tried t oregroup. the MNK had HPed, and come back as PUP. before anyone hit Ob, the PUP had his puppet nuke Ob, who INSTANTLY changed to RDM form and was then raped hardcore.

Once Harle Ob hit 40%, he began one shotting out part one by one.

On a side note, Ob will stand at the spot of his ??? for like 3m inutes before he despawns. He is easily kited even without gravity because he constantly stops to cast silly spells like Dia, but his Cure IVs make DoT-kite solos nearly impossible, combined with the fact that he gains INSANE amounts of TP from being hit/cast on.

http://i30.tinypic.com/50ji8o.png

http://i30.tinypic.com/2m2grae.png

http://i31.tinypic.com/1siddw.png

http://i27.tinypic.com/2rdz4b9.png

Holy crap nice job! Does this mean a RNG Automaton hitting it will change it into RNG form?

[Eiladar]

Needs more POS pls ><

[Thiefami]

Not sure if it's been asked yet, but does anyone know if the new elemental grips have a hidden avatar perp like the staves?

[Ohemgee]

Not sure if it's been asked yet, but does anyone know if the new elemental grips have a hidden avatar perp like the staves?

Highly unlikely.

[Klein]

Using a Sharpy, his R.A should cause Ob to turn into a Sharpshot, who is the easiest puppet. The two times I have seen sharpy appear, we had a Taru PUP in the party who didnt have Spiritreaver's magic capped, and he used Sharpy. So, all in all, the evidence comes together to support the theory (which my last party pretty much proved as fact)

It should do it, too, for valoredge.

Essentially, fighting this NM with naything but a PUP makes it the hardest Tier 1 NM. With a PUP, it's so damned easy.

[Serjero]

Shit they're trying to make PUP useful in the endgame scene.

[Jkun]

KLEIN I LOVE YOU.

COMING UP: 2 RNG OBs! AWWW YEEEEEEE~~~!

Now I feel stupid for killing all my 5 Obs on Hardlequin mode (lol, get the joke?) Still, it's an achievement right?

Here's a theory: Attachment drops = Affected by frame? I got Mana Channeller on Harle, but do you think Coiler (Thunder) would drop from Valor or Sharpshot? What were the drops like for you?

In any case, great find. You sir, are a hero. A HERO I SAY.

inc 50 million pups low manning him like there's no tomorrow.

[Maxxthepenguin]

PUP: Useful as long as SE codes the exact mob to have a specific weakness to automatons.