New ToAU NMs (Now with 100% more Pandemonium!) pg77

[rath]

lmao.... well we did Gigiroon with 12 today. 2 blm, 2 rdm, 2 rng, 2 thf, blu,whm, pld, pld, and got totally fucking rocked! got him down to about 88% before we all wiped. We cleared the rooms before hand of qiqirin and then popped him, he took off almost right away dropping bombs one after another like they were burning holes in his hands! barfire + shell IV cut dmg down to 75ish still didn't help, he straped both plds out of most of their gear and they went down fast when he actually started stabbing. the rest of us died pretty quickly from trying to nuke him while not dying to the bombs. Pretty tricky looking fight, really not to sure how to do it yet, more info would be great on this fight.damn hilarious though when he starts dropping those bombs!! XD

Since our first fight with him (used portals then), we just kill the north and south rooms, then pop him. Mages stay against the wall his ??? pops at (this usually avoids most of the bombs), We basically toss a set of nukes and DoT, and he runs off. When he comes back mages nuke again, and he runs away again. Each time you cure up after he runs. Don't even try to voke him and keep him there. We do this with 4-6 (2-4 blms, 1 refresh job, 1 pld/nin to grab hate after pop). It usually takes between 5 and 10 minutes.

[rmtbot9000]

lmao.... well we did Gigiroon with 12 today. 2 blm, 2 rdm, 2 rng, 2 thf, blu,whm, pld, pld, and got totally fucking rocked! got him down to about 88% before we all wiped. We cleared the rooms before hand of qiqirin and then popped him, he took off almost right away dropping bombs one after another like they were burning holes in his hands! barfire + shell IV cut dmg down to 75ish still didn't help, he straped both plds out of most of their gear and they went down fast when he actually started stabbing. the rest of us died pretty quickly from trying to nuke him while not dying to the bombs. Pretty tricky looking fight, really not to sure how to do it yet, more info would be great on this fight.damn hilarious though when he starts dropping those bombs!! XD

Since our first fight with him (used portals then), we just kill the north and south rooms, then pop him. Mages stay against the wall his ??? pops at (this usually avoids most of the bombs), We basically toss a set of nukes and DoT, and he runs off. When he comes back mages nuke again, and he runs away again. Each time you cure up after he runs. Don't even try to voke him and keep him there. We do this with 4-6 (2-4 blms, 1 refresh job, 1 pld/nin to grab hate after pop). It usually takes between 5 and 10 minutes.

Thank you very very much! We really had no idea what to expect the first time we popped him and the thiefs chased after him because we thought we might lost claim to some jp waiting in the wings. We did it again this evening for another blu and needless to say with 4 blms,2rdms,2plds,whm,sch we took it down steadily! took about 15 minutes and didn't really get to dicey! Thank you for the strategy, its really helped us get some footing with this ZNM.... sadly the blu did not get his beast slayer ; ; so Rounds 3 & 4 begin tommorow! ^,^ thank you again!

[Spira]

I'm going with a new drop theory for T4 and 5 zNMs.. there isnt much support for it until we prove or disprove with more confirmed drops from T4...

for the first part, a generic drop pattern can be confirmed:

1 weapon + 3 synth mat + trig.

for the 2nd, I speculate it could be:

1 Enkidu + 1 Oracles + 1 Aurum + 1 Hachiryu

Since theres only 2 pieces left on each of the sets to appear, there will be double incidence on 3 drops.. 2 of which have been confirmed already (Oracles & Enkidus cap)
which would likely mean that only the Caps have double drop incidence in T4...

based on that theory.. this is what I'd expect to drop from the T4 NMs

Tinnin
1 weapon: probably shusui or nanatsusaya
Aurum head
Hachiryu legs or feet

Sarameya
Aurum head (YAY! 1 right)
Enkidu's body
Hachiryu legs or feet (but not the same as Tinnin's)

Tyger
Oracle's body

....as an extension of this theory.. if it is true...
then most likely the drops that we find on Pandemonium Warden will include

Aurum / Enkidu / Oracle / Hachiryu body

but we don't even know where to pop him yet so lets not worry bout that yet

edit: pointing out what else has been confirmed since i posted my theory

[Flippant]

Assuming the heads and bodies also follow a pattern:

Oracle's cap: Sarameya(confirmed), Tinnin(confirmed)
Oracle's Robe: Sarameya+Tinnin or Tyger+Tinnin

Aurum Armet: Sarameya(deduced), Tyger(deduced)
Aurum Cuirass: Sarameya(confirmed)(edit: or not confirmed?), Tyger(confirmed)

Enkidu's Cap: Tyger(confirmed), Tinnin(confirmed)
Enkidu's Harness: Tyger+Tinnin or Sarameya+Tinnin

We have to see another body drop for further deductions. If Sarameya does drop Aurum Cuirass, I'd give preference to the former deductions in regards to Robe and Harness. If Tyger, then they both drop from Sarameya. If neither, then it's a toss up.

[Gunitsoldier]

lmao.... well we did Gigiroon with 12 today. 2 blm, 2 rdm, 2 rng, 2 thf, blu,whm, pld, pld, and got totally fucking rocked! got him down to about 88% before we all wiped. We cleared the rooms before hand of qiqirin and then popped him, he took off almost right away dropping bombs one after another like they were burning holes in his hands! barfire + shell IV cut dmg down to 75ish still didn't help, he straped both plds out of most of their gear and they went down fast when he actually started stabbing. the rest of us died pretty quickly from trying to nuke him while not dying to the bombs. Pretty tricky looking fight, really not to sure how to do it yet, more info would be great on this fight.damn hilarious though when he starts dropping those bombs!! XD

Since our first fight with him (used portals then), we just kill the north and south rooms, then pop him. Mages stay against the wall his ??? pops at (this usually avoids most of the bombs), We basically toss a set of nukes and DoT, and he runs off. When he comes back mages nuke again, and he runs away again. Each time you cure up after he runs. Don't even try to voke him and keep him there. We do this with 4-6 (2-4 blms, 1 refresh job, 1 pld/nin to grab hate after pop). It usually takes between 5 and 10 minutes.

I did Cheese x3 yesterday with 4 BLM 1 NIN 1 THF 1 SMN 1 BRD 1DNC and it went easy but not too easy. We cleared room before popping (both of them) and buff up, make sure your mages , esp blms, keep ss blink phalanx and barfire up. With those buffs his mines will still hurt but you shouldnt die from it. Do NOT chase it is a big tip, u'll get hit with 50 mines and die, let it come to you and have BLMs nuke and kite/stun it, for the rest it's a standard fight.

Went 1/3 sword, 2/3 legs.

[Kaslo]

Assuming the heads and bodies also follow a pattern:

Oracle's cap: Sarameya(confirmed), Tinnin(confirmed)
Oracle's Robe: Sarameya+Tinnin or Tyger+Tinnin

Aurum Armet: Sarameya(deduced), Tyger(deduced)
Aurum Cuirass: Sarameya(confirmed), Tyger(confirmed)

Enkidu's Cap: Tyger(confirmed), Tinnin(confirmed)
Enkidu's Harness: Tyger+Tinnin or Sarameya+Tinnin

We have to see another body drop from Tyger or Sarameya, but Enkidu's and Oracle's should both from from Tinnin.

Unless I missed it somewhere we haven't seen any body drop from Sarameya

[Flippant]

Err, by another body, I meant of the sets, as in referring to Aurum already dropping.

Edit: err, Aurum Cuirass is posted under Sarameya in that pretty item list D: if that was not confirmed, then it could be each NM only drops one body, or two, but then I can't say either. But I'm fairly certain Armet drops from Sarameya and Tyger.

[Starr]

We're missing the Cure Potency Earring too.

[Kaslo]

Err, by another body, I meant of the sets, as in referring to Aurum already dropping.

Edit: err, Aurum Cuirass is posted under Sarameya in that pretty item list D: if that was not confirmed, then it could be each NM only drops one body, or two, but then I can't say either. But I'm fairly certain Armet drops from Sarameya and Tyger.

Yeah I think he deduced that it would drop from Sara, I haven't seen it posted that someone actually got it.

EDIT to respond to Starr: Ok here is the question, the Waltz potency on the earring is confusing me on where it could drop. I mean DNC was not implemented when TOAU was developed, and I don't know why they would add a TOAU drop that has an enhancement for a WOTG job... but that's just me being skeptical

[Flippant]

Err, by another body, I meant of the sets, as in referring to Aurum already dropping.

Edit: err, Aurum Cuirass is posted under Sarameya in that pretty item list D: if that was not confirmed, then it could be each NM only drops one body, or two, but then I can't say either. But I'm fairly certain Armet drops from Sarameya and Tyger.

Yeah I think he deduced that it would drop from Sara, I haven't seen it posted that someone actually got it.

Hmm, well if each body can drop off two T4s and Sara isn't confirmed, then I'd personally go for:

Cuirass: Tyger(confirmed), Tinnin(deduced)
Robe: Sarameya(deduced), Tyger(deduced)
Harness: Sarameya(deduced), Tinnin(deduced)

[Spira]

im somewhat skeptical about the waltz potency earring from ToA too..

i mean, like.. DNC was introduced after ToA after all..
but this isnt like eq which you add DNC to because its got DNC specific stats...
which would make it the first piece of eq introduced in an earlier expansion to officially mention new mechanics introduced in a later expansion..

however, if we're talking about just EQ that is DNC specific, then theres also DNC and SCH Balrahn Arms from Nyzul that count as exceptions to the typical progression of eq stats as new expansions come and go

[Arouz]

im somewhat skeptical about the waltz potency earring from ToA too..

i mean, like.. DNC was introduced after ToA after all..
but this isnt like eq which you add DNC to because its got DNC specific stats...
which would make it the first piece of eq introduced in an earlier expansion to officially mention new mechanics introduced in a later expansion..

however, if we're talking about just EQ that is DNC specific, then theres also DNC and SCH Balrahn Arms from Nyzul that count as exceptions to the typical progression of eq stats as new expansions come and go

the earring is also just Rare not Rare/Ex like all the other armor/weapons to drop from ZNMs.

[Rocl]

the earring is also just Rare not Rare/Ex like all the other armor/weapons to drop from ZNMs.

While a good starting point, not every ZNM drop is Rare/Ex. The Organics sword, the Elemental Grips, and the Hachiryu Set are not Ex. All of those drop from ZNMs.

[Jkun]

Some Rare only gear drops from Sandworm...? Just speculating, it might not be from ZNM at all considering the job-specific PUP and DRG earrings are both R/Ex.

Edit: gdi Rocl Ninja posting! D;

[Max™]

Holy shit, Hachiryu gear is sellable?

[Kaslo]

Holy shit, Hachiryu gear is sellable?

Holy Shit so is Kirin's Osode! (sorry had to give ya a hard time Max!)

[Maxxthepenguin]

So, quick question, do campaign mobs give any good zeni?

[Toth]

I got 1-3 zeni from campaign mobs...so I'd say no.

[Max™]

Holy shit, Hachiryu gear is sellable?

Holy Shit so is Kirin's Osode! (sorry had to give ya a hard time Max!)

1/5 of the Sky gods set is sellable.

4/4 of the Hachiryu is sellable.

I strangely assumed it was R/E, cause that's kind of like making a Byakko's haidate quality piece sellable, Hachi body is damn good, and legs are pretty ridiculous too.

Osode is arguably not the best piece of the sky god set, highly situational, nowhere near the best piece in the slot except for a couple of limited uses, so it being sellable is meh.

If the entire sky set was bazaar/AHable, that would be nuts by comparison.

[Neosutra]

If Shenlong h2h drop from pande im going to cut a brother.