New ToAU NMs (Now with 100% more Pandemonium!) pg77

[Raithen]

Also, fix Numerist Pumps' description please.

Monk relic has had wrong numbers on it for years. They will never fix this.

[Waef]

Does it say that you need to trade the item to a ??? in Aydeewa? Or does it just say to go to Aydeewa? Because, if it's the latter, then it's still not a ridiculous idea to trade it to that ???, because just because he says to go there, it's definitely not unheard of for SE to include some unusual way to get to some special area of a zone.

read55+ it helps. and i'm not saying this out of anger or anything, but it is in there.

Actually, I've read every single page in this thread from page 1. Although, I didn't remember which pages past 55 it was on so I just skimmed through them and it looked like he said to just travel to Aydeewa. Never found the exact quote again though. But anyway, I was just trying to clear things up, because I think unless it specifically says to trade it to a ??? in Aydeewa, it could just be simply SE not really phrasing it correctly. I dunno, I mean after this it definitely seems like you do pop it in Aydeewa, I'm just trying to defend them, because it isn't THAT much of a longshot for SE to put the correct ??? in Wajaom and having it transport you or something.

Logical thinking says the straight route is the fastest. And if it isn't, you usually have to come to a roadblock before you're able to realise it. 95% (i made this figure up) of the game, the in-game text is actually correct, so its probably better to assume they are right before you try to work around whether its wrong or not..

It actually does seem like a longshot for SE to put the correct ??? in Wajaom, to be honest...
I mean.. unless PandeWarden is an non-/instanced BC like Ouryu/Baha V2, theres no logic in having a warp point. SE put pop spots for Reacton, Experimental Lamia and Nuhn that require you to traverse entire zones to get to.. they're not going to make it easy for u now just like that.

Yes, logic does state that the location in Aydeewa is most likely the correct spot, however, I'm trying to say that maybe, for whatever reason, SE put the pop location in Wajaom. Obviously they didn't because it didn't work, but I'm trying to say why it would be completely illogical. If it's non-instanced, then yes it doesn't really make much sense to put the ??? in Wajaom, however, it is a final tier NM, so it is possible it could be instanced. We won't really know until someone pops it.

Oh, and the bahamut/Ouryu example is actually kind of supportive of times when you need to go somewhere "special" with a certain item to reach the place where you fight the NM. You can't just go to the regular Monarch Linn BC area, you need to use the green portal. I was trying to think of an example like this, but couldn't think of one, although you just brought it up.

Anyway, I know that the Wajaom spot isn't where you pop it, that's obvious with what happened. All I'm trying to do is say why it wouldn't be completely illogical to have it there, trying to defend the decision of the people who popped it. But I guess now it's a moot point, so let's just go with obviously that ??? wasn't supposed to be there.

[tsola]

Sanraku told me the same thing when you buy any other pop NM from him, to head to the zone and place the lure.
http://i234.photobucket.com/albums/e...9-44-33-41.jpg

As I said before, the description on the item was a little strange compared to all the other ZNMs, as it did not mention "luring the beast out of hiding" or whatever.

I also thought that it was weird that it came from a simple ???, where the tier 4 pops force your alliance to buy a salt, and head to an island. I thought there was a chance we'd actually be looking for a "Pandemonium Gate" thing.

The ??? in Wajaom was 100% new and added in the last patch, and nobody had found a use for it yet, so I figured it had to be for something. In addition, it's right next to the zone. I figured I could quickly trade it there, see if it worked, and if it didn't we'd head to the ??? Aydeewa; nobody could have predicted we'd lose the trigger and pop a glitched pop.

I don't get why it's so hard for some of you to understand our reasoning for trying to trade it there first.

[Waef]

Ah, after seeing just the end of that text, it's obvious that he says you need to place the lure in Aydeewa. So, based on that text, I'll admit that I was wrong in arguing for the Wajaom ???, as it clearly states to place it somewhere in Aydeewa. Although, I still don't think their decision was wrong or stupid as people say, because never before has an item been used up when traded to the wrong ???.

[Zekyr]

I think everyone here knows what you're saying, no one is faulting you for assuming based on SE's past behavior of what happens when you trade things to ???s. However, I think the reaction is higher and more angry than usual just because of the fact that it (currently) is such a rare item, that you would even risk it. Like has been said, it's partly SE's fault, partly your fault, but what happened has happened and there's not really much point to keep harassing them as has gone on for several pages now. They're working their best on trying to get it back and have even said they still intend to post all details and stuff, you guys can't really expect anything else from them.

I still think that it wasn't a bright idea to risk it, just because I know there's nothing in the DATs to support trading in Wajaom, but at the same time I can see why people would try and see if it did work (assuming nothing bad would happen, which is understandable.) Who knows what will happen when it is traded in the subterrane, but here's hoping that it just spawns a mob like usual and you guys are able to take it down. Good luck.

[Spira]

if wrong or stupid are on the harsh side then the simple fact of the matter is "did not follow instructions"
which is equally bad in most people's book.

good on them for trying to test out all possibilities i guess.. at least now no one else will make the same mistake.

[Mazmaz]

I made this, please make edits as needed:

http://wiki.ffxiclopedia.org/wiki/ATNM_Test

[Demosthenes11]

I made this, please make edits as needed:

http://wiki.ffxiclopedia.org/wiki/ATNM_Test

fail on so many levels

[Myrrial]

"I have every confidence that you will not fail to locate that which you seek."

........

Thats amazing. No disrespect intended. Sanraku is a trip.

[Waef]

"I have every confidence that you will not fail to locate that which you seek."

........

Thats amazing. No disrespect intended. Sanraku is a trip.

Lol, that's one of the funniest things in this thread lately since the first time I saw the "Atnm Test" picture, but before people started bitching.

[Sherny]

Its so annoying...but at least now everyone knows not to trade it to that ??? XDD
I dont think its anyones fault SE or ours; just bad luck =(
i guess FFXI isnt without a cruel sense of irony haha... getting lucky 1/1 on all 3 then losing the trig..HILARIOUS when you think about it. XD

We should be getting it back within a few days, but keep us posted on how you guys are doing, would be awesome for tips on the warden if anyone kills before we get ours back =D

If not, we'l probs make lolrobynthefairy video it and post on youtube! THEN YOU CAN WATCH US ALL DIE LOTS! =)

[Deaura]

Good luck guys!

[Waef]

I hope you guys get a chance to talk to a SGM soon (as in closer to the 24 hours than the 48 hours) and get your pop item back. It is kind of hilariously ironic though, what you said about getting lucky with the items and then trading it to the wrong thing and losing it. XD Good luck though if you guys are the first ones to pop Pandemonium.

[Sherny]

lol thanks man, means alot to us...push comes to shove its a game shit happens, life goes on~ but yeah wed love to actually have a chance to fight him...too be honest with you, i looked away for a split second looked back to see the stupid goblin dead...

And i beleive that Tso spoke to an SGM. and that they said "If it was a glitch they'd refund the key" and that they are running some tests, so look out for maintenance!

May take a few days though... As long as this guy wasnt purposefully instigated, were getting it back, and i cant imagine SE would of put something as ridiculous as that in..

[Kimkytaru]

As someone said, the 55 first page where a good exemple of a community working together, now the rest is just trash.
I remember friday, I came here and read the thread at work like every day, most people were theorizing that the ??? in wajaom was for pandemonium. I dont see why everyone is so hard with that ls, except maybe because they couldnt try first.

At least they tried and now we know it's not here, but really I dont understand the hate against those people. Sure they should have try aydeewa if it was mention in the text but still, if the same stuff would have happen in aydeewa people would have said the same about how stupid they was to not have try the one just outside al-zahbi cause it was so damn sure it was there.

Anyway I find it kinda sad, was liking more the 55 first page.

Good luck in getting your pop items back.

[Waef]

Yeah, there's no reason for SE to put something like that in just to trick people. Or maybe, it randomly switches between the two pop locations, and you either get Pandemonium, or Atnm Test?!

Although, if they were going to do something like that, you would think they would name it something other than "Atnm Test".

[Zekyr]

Have you even been listening?

http://img211.imageshack.us/img211/4578/mobsea5.png

There are NO Atnm Test mobs in the subterrane DATs.

There are NO Pandemonium mobs in Wajoam's DATs.

Therefore, it's physically impossible for them to spawn in those zones.

[Sherny]

Yeah really... my only idea of it is that they tested it in Wajaom~ they took Pando out of wajaom dat files but forgot to take the ??? maybe? no clue~ oh well XDD

[miokomioko]

It's painfully obvious it's a debug mob.

Probably a last minute decision to move the Pandemonium Warden pop to a more remote location and they forgot to remove the original.

[Waef]

Have you even been listening?

http://img211.imageshack.us/img211/4578/mobsea5.png

There are NO Atnm Test mobs in the subterrane DATs.

There are NO Pandemonium mobs in Wajoam's DATs.

Therefore, it's physically impossible for them to spawn in those zones.

I thought my sarcasm was slightly more obvious than that, but I guess not. I probably should have added more exclamation points and question marks.