Nyzul Relics require Runic Key (100 data wiped)

[Dega]

Also, am I reading it right that you need to be the Runic Disc holder to aquire the key item? How is it fair to have to do all 100 floors 6 times with the same people? Not saying it's hard, but seems really boring where those tags could be put to better use.

[Spira]

about as fair as however many people you have doing dynamis to fund 1 persons relic weapon?

the 100 floor key item thing sounds reasonable..

i think you only have to choose 1 of the tasks cos each of them are pretty herculean as it is.. the cheap way out is probably still Assault logs tho

[Lyramion]

I have read the whole thread but must have missed it. Has it been confirmed that you need Captain Rank to get the quest or is First Liutenant ok? If it requires Captain I am not going to be happy. Way to screw all those people balancing Nyzul and Salvage on a crappy 7 Tags per week system, both of which are required to even have a shot at completing this huge quest.

YES YOU NEED CAPTAIN! AND CAPTAIN IS THE LEAST THING TO WORRY ABOUT!

[Izzy]

I honestly can't believe anyone is complaining about these requirements. The only thing that's even remotely difficult looking is the alexandrite. Would you rather it be something you have to drop 120mil on so you can bitch about that again? Or something you can work for without dropping a single gil? (Minus the incredibly cheap Einherjar lamp).

Shut the fuck up, not everything in this game is going to be handed to you. Work for something.

[Virtuous Saint]

I honestly can't believe anyone is complaining about these requirements. The only thing that's even remotely difficult looking is the alexandrite. Would you rather it be something you have to drop 120mil on so you can bitch about that again? Or something you can work for without dropping a single gil? (Minus the incredibly cheap Einherjar lamp).

Shut the fuck up, not everything in this game is going to be handed to you. Work for something.

Gil doesn't mean you are good in any way, shape, or form.
Good try tho.

[Tyrath]

honestly, only hurdle is clring odin...... 3 beastman should be easy to come by since theres no pre-requirement like clring wings for halzham.dont be surprised to see /shout party going for them lol

and if you have done doin, im pretty sure the rest are individual effort that require 6months - 1 year, for a hardcore player

man, no really good einharjar LS on ifrit makes me QQ

i told myself i will never touch loleinharjar and odin..but it seems my game plan is wrong to SE

I'm glad I already beat odin x.x

But I'm still not sure how I'm gonna get other players disc to 100F in my nyzul static, and redo all assaults, and farm salvage for alexander >_>

1 thing at a time I suppose. See you in 2 years liberator!!!

[Ashira]

I honestly can't believe anyone is complaining about these requirements. The only thing that's even remotely difficult looking is the alexandrite. Would you rather it be something you have to drop 120mil on so you can bitch about that again? Or something you can work for without dropping a single gil? (Minus the incredibly cheap Einherjar lamp).

Shut the fuck up, not everything in this game is going to be handed to you. Work for something.

Gil doesn't mean you are good in any way, shape, or form.
Good try tho.

Read his post again?


Frankly, I don't see why people are bitching about the Runic Key at all, that was pretty much expected and universally assumed before the update, or so it had seemed. Were people really expecting that that wouldn't be a requirement? That doesn't even make sense, that you can cheat out and get those weapon drops and not have to put in that time requirement.

I dunno, these Nyzul weapons seem almost kinda more "fun" than Dynamis.. it requires a lot of -doing- things, and different things, not just collecting money and repeating Dynamis zones ad nauseam.

I'm looking forward to seeing what stats are going to be; and also, if getting the clears for one counts for a second as well (ie, boss/Odin fights, etc).. all stuff that won't really be answered quite yet.

Now, Alexandrite is my birthstone as it happens, and my birthday is Saturday, so if anyone wants to send me some as a gift, that is a very lovely and symbolic gift.

[Tyrath]

Sorry I'm a bit confused about the runic key thing.

Do you have to do the clear 100F twice thing? Or is it just complete it once and lose your progress?

[Aksannyi]

I personally don't have a problem with these relics requiring so much. True, I'm nowhere near being where I need to be in order to do it, but these were mostly things I had planned on doing anyway. Sure, it will take a while, but it makes me REALLY glad that I don't have to buy a single god-damned thing for them. This actually requires work and effort, unlike buying currency and getting a couple r/e things from Dynamis. You could argue that the effort is in the gil-making process to buy the currency, but I could argue that any idiot with a credit card could have just RMT'ed their relic.

I like that it has some variety to it. This is the kind of epic quest line I would have expected from a relic weapon quest, and exactly where SE failed on the first set of relic weapons. Sure they're rare, but trading a bunch of ancient currency is not what I'd consider proving myself worthy to weild one of the best weapons in the game.

That being said I'm not arguing against their rarity, or that the people who get them are dedicated. I know all this, they worked their asses off to be able to afford it, as would I if I chose to work toward a Dynamis relic. That's all well and good. But it doesn't prove you are worthy of weilding this epic weapon, it only proves that you're really good at making gil, really. At least with this new Nyzul relic setup, you have to really work at a LOT of different aspects of gameplay to prove yourself worthy. Only thing that could make it pretty much perfect would be a solo G5-like fight where you prove yourself - not your linkshell, not your Nyzul static, just yourself - worthy of obtaining the weapon. Then, in my opinion, it's the perfect quest for otaining one of the ultimate weapons in the game, and when people check you they will absolutely know how hard you worked to earn it.

And that being said, no, I don't think buying 100mil+ worth of currency proves you are worthy of holding an ultimate weapon. I agree that hard work and dedication went into it, but the very idea that it was 95% buyable in the first place really turned me off from thinking that only the truly deserving and dedicated would do it. (Which, I realize is still, in most cases, the truth, but like I said ... RMT ... there is no way RMT can exploit this Nyzul system.)

I still think these relics will be pretty rare. A lot of people won't have the time or won't want to make the time to put into getting one. And that's fine, it's still a RELIC. But that being said, this is kind of what I would have expected the original relics to require in the first place, and it makes me glad that this one is more along the lines of what I'd consider an "epic" quest to acheive your relic, but still kinda sad that the first set of relic's quest is

[Ashira]

Sorry I'm a bit confused about the runic key thing.

Do you have to do the clear 100F twice thing? Or is it just complete it once and lose your progress?

If you clear floor 100 you get a Runic Key and get no weapon, I believe, though I believe some do this with discholder warps just for hat drop chances.

If you clear floor 100 WITH a key (and finish and thus wipe data) you will get the weapon of the job of the person with key/disc. With the keyholder warping, then weapon drops are random.

[Tyrath]

Sorry I'm a bit confused about the runic key thing.

Do you have to do the clear 100F twice thing? Or is it just complete it once and lose your progress?

If you clear floor 100 you get a Runic Key and get no weapon, I believe, though I believe some do this with discholder warps just for hat drop chances.

If you clear floor 100 WITH a key (and finish and thus wipe data) you will get the weapon of the job of the person with key/disc. With the keyholder warping, then weapon drops are random.

Ah ok, so its still possible to get everyone their crap and THEN clear floor 100 just once to get your runic key for this crap. Ideally only once everyone in the static is done with 100F

[Tajin]

Yes, but at the same time, you can get completely Chapeau'd and see no drop whatsoever of your weapon, therefore making climbing the tower many times, a more fast task if your luck really sucks.

[Ashira]

Sorry I'm a bit confused about the runic key thing.

Do you have to do the clear 100F twice thing? Or is it just complete it once and lose your progress?

If you clear floor 100 you get a Runic Key and get no weapon, I believe, though I believe some do this with discholder warps just for hat drop chances.

If you clear floor 100 WITH a key (and finish and thus wipe data) you will get the weapon of the job of the person with key/disc. With the keyholder warping, then weapon drops are random.

Ah ok, so its still possible to get everyone their crap and THEN clear floor 100 just once to get your runic key for this crap. Ideally only once everyone in the static is done with 100F

You can all farm weapons first if you like, but only one person, the discholder, gets a Runic Key on the finish... at least that's how I've understood it. (My group is still farming lower floors, we haven't even discussed the hats/weapons yet).

[Cantih]

If you clear floor 100 WITH a key (and finish and thus wipe data) you will get the weapon of the job of the person with key/disc. With the keyholder warping, then weapon drops are random.

Ah-haaaaa.
When do you warp the disc holder, on Floor 99, or, before engaging the boss on 100, or, in the middle/end of the fight? Is the weapon 100% drop, but random piece on warp? Is it dropped by the boss, or through some other mechanic? Does having a Runic Key screw with hat drops?

[Ashira]

Really need to have someone farming floor 100 to answer these, I'm not entirely sure as I didn't pay much attention. I think though, from what I recall in conversations, they need to warp before boss dies.

[Tajin]

Also, whoever is warping is going to run out of tokens eventually, since you get tokens until you succesfuly exit the assault area using the runic thingie.

So you are forced to farm lower level floors in order to keep the tag with tokens (or use two tags, but still will have to farm tokens eventually)

And by tags I mean discs >.>

[Geli]

If you clear floor 100 WITH a key (and finish and thus wipe data) you will get the weapon of the job of the person with key/disc. With the keyholder warping, then weapon drops are random.

Ah-haaaaa.
When do you warp the disc holder, on Floor 99, or, before engaging the boss on 100, or, in the middle/end of the fight? Is the weapon 100% drop, but random piece on warp? Is it dropped by the boss, or through some other mechanic? Does having a Runic Key screw with hat drops?

Disk holder can warp anytime before lvl 100 NM is defeated, if he fails to do so his disk gonna be cleared (like we had once when Khimaira gone down from 50% to 0% in less than 5 sec lol).
Weapon and hat both are dropped by boss and goes to your treasure pool.
Having or not runic key not screwing anything but still if disk holder warps it's like 30-50% chance of hat drop only.

And for enough tokens it's enough just to have 2 disk holders and do lower floors NMs from time to time.

[Spira]

ifyou wanna effectively farm 100 for weapons and hats, you'll need 2 disc holders at 95.
To do this, you simply have to have the discholder who paid for the floor warp out before the Floor 100 NM dies. As long as he leaves prematurely, it counts as failure. Logging out doesnt work. You need to change zone.

As for the other 5 members, they can still get assault points (if you exit the area) and will be able to lot all the drops from the NM. 1 of the 3 hats will drop 100% if the buying discholder is still in the zone when the NM dies. The weapons drop at random but at a higher droprate than the hats (if theres no one).

In this sense, the guy who buys the floor at 95 is sacrificing his 1900++ points each time to let the other 5 have a chance at these items, which is why you usually have 2 discholders so the discholders themselves can get something out of it in the farming process. For efficiency (and logically) at Lv95, the guy who buys the floor shouldn't be the one who pays for the assault verification tag, cos he won't be getting tokens whilst the rest will.
Done properly and at a good success rate, it will degrade tokens at a far slower rate than if you don't alternate at all..
Once everyone has farmed off floor 100, or you're out of points, you can start on a third disc so the first 2 members can regen tokens. To keep the set happy, you can also try to farm off whatever 60 80 100 bosses before moving on to wipe your disc

[Dega]

I honestly can't believe anyone is complaining about these requirements.

It's not about the difficulty. It's about the fact that I already did all of this shit and it's no fun to do it another time. I can manage doing the assaults again, but imo it's an error in game design to have to do these 100 floors for every party member, as it doesn't add anything new to the experience.

I still don't get it though, as the above responses suggest that everyone get's the key item on floor 100 completion. Oh well, we have 2 disk 100's. Guess we'll have to complete one and see what happens.

edit:

to add to what I know.
- Disk is cleared and boss kill of floor 100.
- We warp out the disc holder at 30%, resulting in always a random weapon and/or a helm.
- No idea if everyone get's the key item.
- We have 2 discs so we fill up points on one while farming on the other.

[Cantih]

(like we had once when Khimaira gone down from 50% to 0% in less than 5 sec lol).

Off topic, but Holy shit. Were you all out zerging, or are the bosses pushovers?