Nyzul Relics require Runic Key (100 data wiped)

[Izzy]

I honestly can't believe anyone is complaining about these requirements.

It's not about the difficulty. It's about the fact that I already did all of this shit and it's no fun to do it another time. I can manage doing the assaults again, but imo it's an error in game design to have to do these 100 floors for every party member, as it doesn't add anything new to the experience.

I still don't get it though, as the above responses suggest that everyone get's the key item on floor 100 completion. Oh well, we have 2 disk 100's. Guess we'll have to complete one and see what happens.

edit:

to add to what I know.
- Disk is cleared and boss kill of floor 100.
- We warp out the disc holder at 30%, resulting in always a random weapon and/or a helm.
- No idea if everyone get's the key item.
- We have 2 discs so we fill up points on one while farming on the other.

People asked for an easier way to get "relic" type weapons, and SE delivered. I don't think anyone is going to argue with me when I say that climbing to floor 100 in Nyzul Isle while collecting drops from NM and getting gear is not even remotely comparable with spending asswads of gil on a Dynamis relic.

Beggars can't be choosers.

[Mertron]

Being someone who is in a static that has already gone 1>100 four times (and I think our group started in January, not positive), and add in many farm runs inbetween, I feel that people arent appreciating the severity of 50,000 items that drop one at a time.

1>100 is 4-6 gatherings, depending on your luck with floors/captain status.

Edit: Zerg or not, Khim is a joke if you bring Fanatics. We had the same problem of our warper not being able to warp out fast enough the first time we got him.

Second Edit: Yeah our first floor 20 was January 24.

[Valkrish]

First off, you need to ...

- ToAU completion (Rings)
- Captain Rank, to actually start the cutscene.

Then:

- have 1x Nyzul Floor 100 Relic Weapon and..
- Runic Key key item (Only the discholder of a nyzul run will get this key item after floor 100 clear and discholder not warping) Edited.

Then, you need to do these:

- Defeat all 4 Salvage Chariots. (titles)
- All 3 ToAU beastmen champions. (titles)
- Odin. (title)

Then, you need to trade these to a NPC named Paparoon:

- Redo all 50 assaults, and trade a Blank Memoir to the "Rune of Release" upon success of the mission before exiting.
- 50000 Alexandrite (Drops from salvage and...
- balrahns eyepatch (need 100000 ampoules)
- The Areuhat book (dragon book or something)
- 5 assault items (titles?) to turn in from the Log (journal)

This about right? (Whoo-rooooonnnn)

[Spira]

if you clear a floor 100 with the discholder present, only discholder gets the runic key. its his tokens that were used to buy all the floors for the progress in the disc after all

[Spira]

First off, you need to ...

- ToAU completion (Rings)
- Captain Rank, to actually start the cutscene.

Then:

- have 1x Nyzul Floor 100 Relic Weapon and..
- Runic Key key item (Only the discholder of a nyzul run will get this key item after floor 100 clear and discholder not warping) Edited.

Then, you need to do these:

- Defeat all 4 Salvage Chariots. (titles)
- All 3 ToAU beastmen champions. (titles)
- Odin. (title)

Then, you need to trade these to a NPC named Paparoon 1 of the 4 options below:

- 50000 Alexandrite (Drops from salvage and...
- balrahns eyepatch (need 100000 ampoules)
- The Areuhat book (dragon book or something)
- 5 assault logs fully completed(journal)

This about right? (Whoo-rooooonnnn)

This is the way i understand it.

[Freysi]

Assuming you are not retarded and can learn strategies, a group of 6 people with a decent enough job setup starting from scratch can get the Assault conditions done in 100 days (0-50 wins for captain, and doing TAU missions at the same time, and then 50 more assault wins for the relic condition). The Runic Key can be completed in 17 days.

If you're not starting from scratch, like most people, 50 assault wins and a nyzul climb will take you two months. Assuming that you can choose 1/4 of the assault wins, eyepatch, alexandrite, and wyrm book, then all you have to do is get 4 salvage wins and kill the 3 Beastman Kings, and kill Odin. Gather together a group of smart friends, and you can do this without having an HNM shell. The only part which would be impossible for a small group would be Odin, but I'm sure we'll see shells selling access to feathers soon.

[layoneil]

if there's a static of 6 people and everyone eventually plans to get a fully upgraded weapon, they should aim for 4-5 Runic Keys before getting two more people to 95 to farm weapons. it is now absolutely stupid to farm Floor 100 to get a specific weapon for someone who has no Runic Key, that's just wasting tags.

you should obviously still farm it for hats if people really want them.

[Freysi]

if there's a static of 6 people and everyone eventually plans to get a fully upgraded weapon, they should aim for 4-5 Runic Keys before getting two more people to 95 to farm weapons. it is now absolutely stupid to farm Floor 100 to get a specific weapon for someone who has no Runic Key, that's just wasting tags.

you should obviously still farm it for hats if people really want them.

What if I'm the only WHM in the group, but I want to get the BLM weapon and we don't use BLMs for boss fights? If I get the runic key first, I'll only get the WHM weapon and never the BLM. Need the random weapon drop to have a chance at my BLM weapon.

[Kayos]

I feel that people arent appreciating the severity of 50,000 items that drop one at a time.

^

[layoneil]

if there's a static of 6 people and everyone eventually plans to get a fully upgraded weapon, they should aim for 4-5 Runic Keys before getting two more people to 95 to farm weapons. it is now absolutely stupid to farm Floor 100 to get a specific weapon for someone who has no Runic Key, that's just wasting tags.

you should obviously still farm it for hats if people really want them.

What if I'm the only WHM in the group, but I want to get the BLM weapon and we don't use BLMs for boss fights? If I get the runic key first, I'll only get the WHM weapon and never the BLM. Need the random weapon drop to have a chance at my BLM weapon.

that's why i said 4-5 and not 6? some 6th person will have to wait before clearing his so you can get yours, but that 6th person would be at Floor 95 anyway. and that 6th person obviously shouldn't be you since your job can't be duplicated.

[Cantih]

The weapons are one job only, you won't be able to use the weapon till you level BLM, so, just level BLM now.

[layoneil]

The weapons are one job only, you won't be able to use the weapon till you level BLM, so, just level BLM now.

he has BLM leveled, you're missing the point.

[Freysi]

that's why i said 4-5 and not 6? some 6th person will have to wait before clearing his so you can get yours, but that 6th person would be at Floor 95 anyway. and that 6th person obviously shouldn't be you since your job can't be duplicated.

Ah, yeah, ok. Yeah it's going to take some planning based on jobs available and which party setups can actually beat floor 100.

[Geli]

(like we had once when Khimaira gone down from 50% to 0% in less than 5 sec lol).

Off topic, but Holy shit. Were you all out zerging, or are the bosses pushovers?

They're not but Khimaira is the weakest of them all.
And you can use tons of drinks and items from starting chest and 2h in the same time.

Back on topic - last floor NM can drop any weapon unless your disk holder also have runic key, then it'll be restricted to his jobs only.
For example we never had any BLM, SCH, PUP e t.c. on 100th floor, but got tons of these weapons.

And also we had 100th floor NM once or twice which drop totally nothing.

[Spira]

I feel that people arent appreciating the severity of 50,000 items that drop one at a time.

^

I think the math actually does check out..

Its like 1-3 drops per run yes, but the "barriers to entry" is far lower for Salvage than it is for dynamis. True you're getting a whole lot more per run in Dynamis.. but theres a 72hr limit and for the most part, people don't go unless they at least have 18 people attending. Add to this the fact that Dynamis zones are exclusive. And that there are only 10 Dynamis zones, meaning 10 groups at any one time that can access Dynamis.. and this is (shoddy) number crunching only.
Also, each time you enter its 1million gil.

With Salvage, its 1 a day, you can go with as few as 6 people. Theres 4 areas. Each one can be hold 4-5 (i think)instances, so thats already 16-20 groups at any 1 time max. Entry requirements are 1500 AP which doesn't involve gil.. so whatever you get (assuming you keep) is monetary profit. Also, you spend a whole lot less time in Salvage than Dynamis.
If these things drop from gears, I'm sure some groups may start focusing on getting Alexandrite by killing more gears where they don't necessarily have to..

Alexandrite will definitely start off steep, but I have a good feeling that it will start crashing when the market is flooded with them. Not everyone will want to fund a nyzul relic, after all.. and (assuming the 1 out of 4 thing) not everyone will choose this option to complete their relic... It seems small because the distribution is alot wider from the very beginning.. but i trust it will add up to be a close equivalent of dynamis currency. It'll just take a little time.

[Gwynplaine]

I think I've got this figured out:
--edited for size--
The quest log insinuates that you have paths to choose from (IE, you pick ONE option, not ALL options). Later on it was stated that there was a DAT mine where Pooperdooper says you completed ALL THREE objectives the empress gave you. The thing is, it's not referring to the shit that HE told you about. Your 3 objectives aren't 50,000 alexandrite + Wyrmseeker book + Assault momories + Eye patch. That is 4. The eyepatch is not a separate thing, as can be clearly seen from the SSs on page 5 of it and from the quest log posted above (the eyepatch is the holy relic). The three objectives Pooperdooper refers to are 1) get Nyzul weapon + runic key 2) kill NMs that threaten the empire 3) get 50,000 alexandrite OR Wyrmseeker Areuhat OR complete Assault Memoires OR get some blind guy's eyepatch.

This makes the most sense to me. Here's to hoping. My guess would be that the W.book is a rare drop from one of the highest tier of the ZNM's, but who knows.

I'm curious about the repeatability of the process. Once you finish your first nyzul relic, I wonder if you can skip directly to getting the next 100f weapon, and getting the Alexandrite/Book/Eyepatch/Assaults. Wouldn't that be relatively quick since you're always finished with the NM's/runic key/captain? Unless it somehow consumes your runic key and NM titles but that seems unlikely. (relative to dynamis relics)

[Aymee]

About weapon drops on first time disk clearings-- I can't speak from multiple repeated experience, but everything I've ever understood was that you get a weapon on the first clear. Otherwise you'd have to repeat more than 1 disk for 100% job drops unless you happen to have someone with all 20 jobs lvled. There was an issue where people sometimes did not get drops, but I believe that changed last patch when dnc and sch weapons were added [making 20, easily dividing out 0-999 randoms into drops, vs 18 which gave a ~1% trap in the droprate (18*55=990) where you'd get nothing].


A lot of people seem to be entirely underestimating how much time even the Nyzul component of this takes a full PT. Well, it's either a full PT or drama until the end of time since you can literally jack your own relic progress forward if you feel like 'accidentally forgetting' to warp on a 100 or something else prickish. To anyone who is behind on the Nyzul aspect of this process, prepare for painful grind. This is kind of a catch22 of this, since people seem to either be set on the nyzul/assault end but troubled elsewhere, or vice versa.

Theoretically, the following will result in finishing the nyzul junk the fastest (some of this has been said already):
--[Near parallel progression of] 2 disks up to a save at floor 95
--Find someone with multiple jobs as the other PT members that doesn't particularly care about a quick weapon--wipe their disk asap
--Redo that disk to save at 95
--Farm weapons for the PT using the 2nd-run holder's 100% job drop rate
--Can use the other 1st-run disk to win 100s for a random drop so the 2nd-run holder doesn't run out of tokens.
--When 2nd-run disk holder has a desired weapon, start a new disk on a 3rd person and work to 95
--Repeat for the PT.
Warning: Disk holder will lose tokens at an absurd rate doings endless 100s, particularly as a melee (temp items), and especially if your group is new to nyzul and you have zero saved tokens to start off with.
Notice: You'll be entirely blowing past the farming boss NM floors and thus you'll get zero armor.

I know that it isn't necessary to wipe a disk and redo it, but in all honesty taking another 20 assault tags to repeat that person up to 100 for assured weapons is much better than taking a chance. For example, it took us 50ish kills to get a MNK weapon... if I'd have had MNK lvled we could have gotten it on the 21st tag after the first clear (theoretically). I suppose it's a matter of personal preference.

...

All in all, between running 6 people up for a runic key and one person twice, you're talking ~150 assault tags--and that's only if you do zero farming. Naturally, for those 5 months straight you won't be able to do any salvage whatsoever. For a 4nyzul/3assault split for 3 salvage runs a week you're looking at 9 months of nyzul. Of course, you'll be needing to do einherjar the entire time with an entirely reliable group. Add in 3 more months of assault @ 4tags/week to redo every mission and you're up to a full year!
Group your time well and you can do all 4 of your nyzuls on one evening and your AP farming a 2nd. Combine your salvage into one evening with a double run and put the 3rd onto the AP farming night. Einherjar twice a week. 3 very long evenings a week + 2 half-evenings = ~4 nights of your week you're spending completely dedicating yourself toward a relic. This assumes you have perfect luck in every way and you have the same static of people that will never waiver off for anything whatsoever, and an einherjar group/ls that can win most every time with little effort. In other words, if you're not in that tiny wedge of the census chat of people that play 6ish+ hours a day and don't mind being busy almost constantly even before considering doing any other activities... you're screwed. You may or may not need to be very wealthy for this (it's yet to be seen), but it would appear you have to sell your soul regardless. Well ok, half your soul... assuming you do nothing else in XI.

Hey, maybe you can actually be done with salvage during this time. That would speed up the process, but even with zero salvage this is 7 months. Estimates seem to show that it'll take more than that long on the einherjar end? Oh, and we have no idea how the currency collection rate will fill in so there's plenty of unknowns yet. Fun fun.

[layoneil]

This makes the most sense to me. Here's to hoping. My guess would be that the W.book is a rare drop from one of the highest tier of the ZNM's, but who knows.

my guess is from Wyrms or V2.

I'm curious about the repeatability of the process. Once you finish your first nyzul relic, I wonder if you can skip directly to getting the next 100f weapon, and getting the Alexandrite/Book/Eyepatch/Assaults. Wouldn't that be relatively quick since you're always finished with the NM's/runic key/captain? Unless it somehow consumes your runic key and NM titles but that seems unlikely. (relative to dynamis relics)

that's not the last quest

Forging a New Myth
Client: Nashmeira (Throne Room, Imperial Ward)
Summary:
Driven by ambition, yet still haunted by the dismebodied whispers that come at the weapon's touch, you have been ordered by Nashmeira in the name of the Empire to harness the seemingly unconquerable power of the mythic weapons.

[Izzy]

The 50,000 alexandrite seem like the hindering factor of this whole thing. Maybe there'll be different ways of obtaining it we just haven't discovered/haven't been implemented yet.

[Acturus]

The 50,000 alexandrite seem like the hindering factor of this whole thing. Maybe there'll be different ways of obtaining it we just haven't discovered/haven't been implemented yet.

I've not heard of whether or not Alexandrite drops off ALL archaic machinery, or only those machines in Salvage. Having them in Nyzul Isle would drop the 30 year collection rate to maybe 15.