Nyzul Relics require Runic Key (100 data wiped)

[vagus]

From what I understand, you get a rare/ex book for each assault area if you complete each assault. This would make sense for having captain access. If what Arthars says is true, we might be able to buy each book at 150K Nyzule Isle assault points.

Excuse the ignorance, but I don't follow what you're saying.

I saw a SS of the Poopooroon-guy handing over key items that were "blank" books in order to capture "memos" of Assault areas. The assumption was to go back and re-do the assaults to have them recorded in these books.

As I understand it, there's only one purchasable book from Nyzul Isle.

My assumption was the npc gave you the books for completion of each area. However, i could be mistaken and that you may need to redo all assaults after talking to the rat.

[shihei]

If it's "AND" someone needs to fucking blow up SE headquarters and fuck those fags saying "AND" is ok with them and relics aren't for everyone. Who are they for exactly then? People who live only for FFXI and RL card blahblablah(you know their 'play' button disclaimer that is quasimindfuckingyouhard)

If it's "OR" then these things will only take some time and I suppose we will see some in about 2 months, if upgraders try for the 50 assaults again path first. Supposing that would be the fastest path at this stage of release.

[meson]

The biggest barrier so far in my opinion: trading an NPC 506 times without going coocoo.

[vinelle]

If it's "OR" then these things will only take some time and I suppose we will see some in about 2 months, if upgraders try for the 50 assaults again path first. Supposing that would be the fastest path at this stage of release.

If it's "OR" and buying the wyrm book from nyzul for 150k is, in fact, an option, then there are surely some people that could do that immediately. Some people in my group have 190k tokens at this point, and we have 4.6 discs ready to clear. None of us have captain, or the other first quest requirements, though.

[Arthars]

the book i meant thats 150k token isnt the assault memoirs

its the book of collections that the wrymlady bla bla

[Gunitsoldier]

If it's "OR" then these things will only take some time and I suppose we will see some in about 2 months, if upgraders try for the 50 assaults again path first. Supposing that would be the fastest path at this stage of release.

If it's "OR" and buying the wyrm book from nyzul for 150k is, in fact, an option, then there are surely some people that could do that immediately. Some people in my group have 190k tokens at this point, and we have 4.6 discs ready to clear. None of us have captain, or the other first quest requirements, though.

Clearing AU takes about a week roughly since you have to wait till JP new day alot and unless your group is online 24/7 , you'll have to reschedule to next day and such.
Captain takes shitload of time, you won't go 50/50 assaults winrate, you'll lose some aswell so this too would take alot of time.
(I can't remember first requirements so what I post below this is a "memory")
If I remember correct you also needed 4 Salvage Areas cleared? If you havent done salvage before, this could also be a pain to new players, to people who've done it before it's cake.
Idr the others but even if you had 150K tokens , doing all those first requirements + even GETTING the v1relic weapon would be annoying, most being getting the actual weapon, imo.

[Stiker]

You know reading through this I think there is a major point that people defending the point that RoZ were harder to get are missing. When you upgraded, you could either buy the currency outright on your own, or sponsor a dynamis run outright on your own.

The huge problem here, especially with things like the 50000 Alexanderite is that there are going to be a greater number of people that want to upgrade and have the means to at the same time you are. Unless the quest only requires one of the rat's objectives, I can't see how this isn't many times harder than a RoZ relic.

I love the idea SE had behind this. The first requirements, I got, it makes sense, but the later ones are just off the friggin' wall insane! Let's at least get within the realm of possibility ffs...

[layoneil]

(I can't remember first requirements so what I post below this is a "memory")
If I remember correct you also needed 4 Salvage Areas cleared? If you havent done salvage before, this could also be a pain to new players, to people who've done it before it's cake.
Idr the others but even if you had 150K tokens , doing all those first requirements + even GETTING the v1relic weapon would be annoying, most being getting the actual weapon, imo.

forgot Odin/Einherjar clear and 3 Beastman King Titles.

[vagus]

the book i meant thats 150k token isnt the assault memoirs

its the book of collections that the wrymlady bla bla

Hmm. Thanks for the information. Now what is this book is for.

[Greyman]

Read the topic but unsure about one thing so though I'd ask, its possible to beat the second step:

- Defeat all 4 Salvage Chariots. (titles)
- All 3 ToAU beastmen champions. (titles)
- Odin. (title)

Before even gaining the weapon correct? Just that when you get to that point of upgrading it'll note its already done or do I have to get their title, talk to Naja, Repeat til all NMs are beat?

[Gwynplaine]

The Alexandrite sounds to me like the option for people who have more money than they'd prefer to spend on effort acquiring Ichor, tokens, or redoing assaults. If it's true you can get the book with tokens, and only one requirement is needed, than Nyzul obviously covers the most ground. Stick with your group, get multiple people to floor 100, get nyzul armor and any random NM drops, and save up your tokens at the same time. I wish I hadn't blown so many tokens on junk now, I'm going to have to be prudent.

[Gunitsoldier]

(I can't remember first requirements so what I post below this is a "memory")
If I remember correct you also needed 4 Salvage Areas cleared? If you havent done salvage before, this could also be a pain to new players, to people who've done it before it's cake.
Idr the others but even if you had 150K tokens , doing all those first requirements + even GETTING the v1relic weapon would be annoying, most being getting the actual weapon, imo.

forgot Odin/Einherjar clear and 3 Beastman King Titles.

Thank you. Odin is easy for those who alrdy have cleared, just go get your title again and it's done. For people like me, who have only been in Einherjar once/not at all, this would require making an einherjar LS just for that which would be alot of effort. The 3 beastmen kings could be done with a good alliance I guess, that shouldn't be TOO hard.

These pre-quests on itself can be done for some already and wtfinsane for others.

[Arthars]

yea ._.

i myself is starting a einherjar group just for this shit ._.

[Gunitsoldier]

yea ._.

i myself is starting a einherjar group just for this shit ._.

Come to Ramuh. Now.

[vinelle]

If it's "OR" then these things will only take some time and I suppose we will see some in about 2 months, if upgraders try for the 50 assaults again path first. Supposing that would be the fastest path at this stage of release.

If it's "OR" and buying the wyrm book from nyzul for 150k is, in fact, an option, then there are surely some people that could do that immediately. Some people in my group have 190k tokens at this point, and we have 4.6 discs ready to clear. None of us have captain, or the other first quest requirements, though.

Clearing AU takes about a week roughly since you have to wait till JP new day alot and unless your group is online 24/7 , you'll have to reschedule to next day and such.
Captain takes shitload of time, you won't go 50/50 assaults winrate, you'll lose some aswell so this too would take alot of time.
(I can't remember first requirements so what I post below this is a "memory")
If I remember correct you also needed 4 Salvage Areas cleared? If you havent done salvage before, this could also be a pain to new players, to people who've done it before it's cake.
Idr the others but even if you had 150K tokens , doing all those first requirements + even GETTING the v1relic weapon would be annoying, most being getting the actual weapon, imo.

My point was that 150k tokens, odin, salvage bosses, 3 toau kings, and captain rank are things that someone could already have done. Which makes the "only have to choose 1" theory weaker, sadly, at least in my mind.

[Suiram]

I hope the following is helpful for people who are going to go for the 150k token goal (if there is only one goal needed) or for everyone upgrading if you have to do all of them.

In general if you want to maximize token award among participants, going to the highest floor you can (91 since clearing 100 would reset the disc of--or else deny tokens to--the discholder), with the fewest number of people will net the highest average token award per run. However if you are just focused on getting a couple people tokens (since maybe upgrading is not for everyone in your group) there are other combinations that might be better. I worked out a spreadsheet for it since among the 3 of us in our static who wanted to upgrade, one has 120k tokens, I have 90k tokens, and the other has like 20~30k tokens (guess whose disc we used to farm weapons ). So we will probably split tags evenly until the first of us have 150k+ and then we will just spam floors for him.

If you want to know what to expect as your average net token award so you can work out what is best for your own group, the formulas are as such:

Token Cost as a function of the floor you ported to, P:
P=1: 0
P=6~51: 10*P + 490
P=56~96: 20*P - 20

Base token award per floor:
F = 2*P + 198
(If you complete more than 5 floors on one tag, put the value of the 6th floor for 6~10, the 11th floor for 11~15, etc. For instance if you port to floor 61 and do 7 floors, you get 5*320 + 2*330)

Final Token award:
INT(INT(T*(1.3-.1*N))*A)
Where T = sum of the Fs for the floors completed
N = Number of players who entered Nyzul
A = 1.1 if you got the armband, 1.0 otherwise.

[Xanthe]

My point was that 150k tokens, odin, salvage bosses, 3 toau kings, and captain rank are things that someone could already have done. Which makes the "only have to choose 1" theory weaker, sadly, at least in my mind.

That's no different than saying getting Captain rank should be more involved. You could have completed every assault and Nyzule Isle prior to the rank being patched in and ranked up immediately following the update. That didn't make obtaining Captain any less difficult. The proactive player who stayed on top of all content was rewarded, while those who lagged behind would find it harder to keep up later on. This also applies to Assaults vs Salvage vs Nyzule Isle.

[Judai]

yea ._.

i myself is starting a einherjar group just for this shit ._.

Already on T3 myself. \o/ You could always look into joining LM or our runs but I assume you want to go with your ppl. We won't be back to T1s for a couple weeks anyways, need to kill Odin!

[layoneil]

My point was that 150k tokens, odin, salvage bosses, 3 toau kings, and captain rank are things that someone could already have done. Which makes the "only have to choose 1" theory weaker, sadly, at least in my mind.

they could theoretically have the 100k therion ichors too right?

there's no reason why those people shouldn't be rewarded. the Maat's Cap thing was retroactive too.

[Curcio]

Read the topic but unsure about one thing so though I'd ask, its possible to beat the second step:

- Defeat all 4 Salvage Chariots. (titles)
- All 3 ToAU beastmen champions. (titles)
- Odin. (title)

Before even gaining the weapon correct? Just that when you get to that point of upgrading it'll note its already done or do I have to get their title, talk to Naja, Repeat til all NMs are beat?

Presumably you only need the titles, so, yes, you can get this step done before even setting foot in nyzul isle.