Nyzul Relics require Runic Key (100 data wiped)

[shihei]

Anyone know where, exactly, you pay 150k Nyzul tokens for this book?

sameplace you buy the temp. items when you zone in for nyzul assault, the lobby room.
atleast that is what i thin kpeople said

[Aymee]

A few questions/random theories--


Has anyone tried trading a currency to the rat yet to see if he keeps track? When I tried to trade a 2nd weapon to naja's slave, I got a big warning about if I did so, 'all my progress would be erased'. So the rat must have a ledger of some sort for each weapon ~.~

Has anyone actually dared to get the book for 150k yet? lol. I suppose the biggest step forward would be for anyone who's made it that far to do so... and until then we can only speculate.

Wacked-out idea I'd love: There are 3 naja requirements (besides runic key) and the rat has 3. ...(4? currency eyethingie book logs?) ... Perhaps you get a 'credit' for doing any one of them, and doing 1naja/1rat 'qualifies' you for a relic. You'd then have to do a new pair for another. The only reason I think this could be possible is because each requirement from both sides seems to be substantially harder than the others. Like, say, naja's requirement would be Beastkings > Chariots > Odin ((Depending on if you have a willing and able LS vs your salvage strength, either of the first 2 could be argued harder)). The rat would be nyzul book > eyepatch > monies... 6 months > 1 year > eternity to collect.
It would not surprise me that you must do the assault logs for the rat, just as you must have a runic key for naja.

If this were the case, this would still be far from 'easy'... a lot of people would still need Captain, then you've got 5ish months of joyous nyzul to get everyone a key, then 50 tags to re-do assaults. You would not get 150k nyzul tokens from scratch just doing a disk for 6 people [if you were just starting], so that's more effort on top of that.
So yea, that's 7 months of continuous effort to maybe get your hands on a first weapon. It would then be substantially harder to get a 2nd (but still possible)--since that's ~1yearish of Einherjar work. Then you could technically have the ability to do a 3rd, but god only knows how bad that would be... and I guess if SE really wanted they could make you do all requirements to get any number above 3.

...We'd probably be getting off easy if we didn't have to do the complete list on naja's end... but it should be noted that the rat asking for assault logs is a much much easier task for a lot of people than getting a naja requirement. Salvage bosses aren't a cakewalk if you're new to it... I'd argue that the assault logs are actually the easiest requirement since any person could do it in 50 days. That's less 'work' than having a decent LS you can con into doing the beastkings, and less than being lucky enough to have an Odin-level einherjar group.


So yea, we're at nothing but speculation now until someone that's on the rat trades him the nyzul book, and we're not going to have anything but speculation until someone does this. I think we're all in agreement that having to do Naja's stuff is rather reasonable in comparison to the rats stuff. If it is indeed only 1 of the rat paths to get 1 weapon, this is actually conceivably possible. Grinding nyzul for 5 months is still quite a pain and I doubt anyone would say this was too easy if you had to do that all. You can either do it from scratch now, and people who have already done nyzul work can keep use the progress they've done thusfar. Captain/ToAU completion I would agree is just a starter flag to make sure lazy people aren't trying to start this process.

[Slott]

Shihei, I already thought about that, and there's no way in hell i'd hand that shit in . I'll be working on therion ichor and nyzul tokens (41500 ichor, 4xxxx nyzul tokens (god i feel dumb for spending so much now). Anyway, once I have one of those done (give me 2-3 months -.-) i'll hand one in heh. Someone in my group has 60k+ ichor, so he'd be alot closer than me (has 0 nyzul floors done though, no runic key, but has the weap). Anyway, give it a few months for me/my group to get back on this shit. I can't really speed it up :/, but im in an active einherjar shell, and have a great static for assault/nyzul/salvage.

[Kaelia]

Wacked-out idea I'd love: There are 3 naja requirements (besides runic key) and the rat has 3. ...(4? currency eyethingie book logs?) ... Perhaps you get a 'credit' for doing any one of them, and doing 1naja/1rat 'qualifies' you for a relic.

I would say that you only have to do one of each, based on all the logs of the text that have been posted so far. The qiqirn refers to "three tasks" that you succeeded in doing for the empress. If you had to do everything that the qiqirn asked (Alexandrite, Assault logs, 150k book, AND eyepatch), then he would refer to at least FOUR tasks not THREE. In my opinion the first task is retrieving the weapon along with the runic key, the second task is undertaking one of the Empress's orders that Naja gives you (Odin, 3 Beastman Kings, or 4 Chariots), and the third task being one of the four that the Qiqirn gives you. That to me makes the most sense, considering that when you count up every single thing the empress asks you to potentially do, there are eight total tasks (the weapon, the three that Naja gives, and the four that the qiqirn gives), yet the log for successfuly completing the qiqirn quest only refers to "three tasks," or one from each "set", counting the actual base weapon retrieval as the first set.

[vagus]

After going through the SS's and posts, this is what i've compiled so far. I had to make a spreedsheet for myself, so much information.

Obtain Weapon from Nyzul Isle
Obtain Runic Key (rare-ex, and must be own disc) (completion of a disc to 100)
Obtain Captain Status (completion of every single assault)

Trade Weapon to Abquhbah in Whitegate I-10. He requires you to kill the following NM's (get titles):

Gurfurlur the Menancing in Halvung
Gulool Ja J in Mamook
Medusa in Arrapago Reef
Armored Chariot in Arrapago Remnants (Salvage)
Long-Bowed Chariot in Bhaflau Remnants (Salvage)
Long-Armed Chariot in Silver Sea Remnants (Salvage)
Battleclad Chariot in Zhayolm Remnants (Salvage)
Odin (requires atleast tier 1, tier 2 and tier 3 to attempt Odin fight)

Talk to Paparoon in Nashmau and he requires the following:

Baharain's Eyepatch (100K Ambula Points's from Einherjar)
Ilrushi Travel Ledger (completion of all Ilrushi assaults)
Periqia adventure Diary (completion of all Periqua assaults)
Lebros exploration chronicle (completion of all Lebros assaults)
Mammool Ja Battle Journal (completion of all Mammool assaults)
Leujaoam observation log (completion of all Leujaom assaults)

Wyrm Book (Obtained via 150,000 Nyzule Isle Points)
50000 Alexandrite (only found in Salvage atm)

This seems to be the order required to do obtain the relic. Seems you have to complete all the assault orders twice. 50000 Alexandrite seems like an daunting amount considering 1-2 alexandrite drop per salvage run. A Jp has dat swapped the new animations for the new relics @ http://zoome.jp/pekoe/diary/14/

Anyways, hopes this helps for the people just passing through the thread.

[Lyramion]

Obtain Runic Key (rare-ex, and must be own disc) (completion of a disc to 100)

Runic key is a keyitem

Also there is that Wyrmseeker book rumoured to be gained from 150000 Nyzul Tokens. It´s not shown to me yet tho in the box. Maybe if you accepted that quest.

[Rocl]

Forging a New Myth
Client: Nashmeira (Throne Room, Imperial Ward)
Summary:
Driven by ambition, yet still haunted by the disembodied whispers that come at the weapon's touch, you have been ordered by Nashmeira in the name of the Empire to harness the seemingly unconquerable power of the mythic weapons.

Speculation;
Something to do with the new Seaprince's Tombstone in Caedarva Mire? You see on the way to Einherjar.

New text in Caedarva Mire too;

You have endured much and served well to come here bearing these items.
You have been deemed worthy and shall now be instructed.?Prompt?

Take yourself to the ruins known as Nyzul Isle.?Prompt?

It is there perhaps that we are fated to meet at last...?Prompt?

It seems to be the resting place of a soul once known to former ages...?Prompt? <-- text from clicking the tombstone

You offer up the ?item?, ?item?#??item?, and ?blah blah BAD CHAR?... ?Prompt?


However, no new dialogue in Alzadaal (aside from ZNM stuff)

[Tekki]

Can anyone confirm using Nyzul Isle points for something?

[shihei]

rocls

ughh this makes me think you will need all of the rat's tasks and it is impossible to get a final stage nyzul relic till next update, mainly I think this cause of the absurd rarity of alexandrite currently and the no new text in alzadaal part.

Could it be there is some new text somewhere in Nyzul Isle though since that is what that said?(the last hope)

[Rocl]

rocls

ughh this makes me think you will need all of the rat's tasks and it is impossible to get a final stage nyzul relic till next update, mainly I think this cause of the absurd rarity of alexandrite currently and the no new text in alzadaal part.

Could it be there is some new text somewhere in Nyzul Isle though since that is what that said?(the last hope)

Nada in Nyzul

[Suiram]

More evidence to just having to meet one of the requirements that pertains to the Nashmau dialog but which I did not see discussed earlier regarding it. There is a line that says:

?Possible Special Code: 1F?y This quest cannot be accepted while in possession of a outdated memoire.
You will be required to dispose of the old memoire before taking on the quest.?Prompt?

Referring to the assault booklets, I believe. However, since you don't get those booklets until initiating the quest, and since they are Rare/Ex, then that line must be for if you were repeating the quest. However again, there should be no way for you to have them after the first time you quested, were they necessary for its completion.

[Aymee]

Wacked-out idea I'd love: There are 3 naja requirements (besides runic key) and the rat has 3. ...(4? currency eyethingie book logs?) ... Perhaps you get a 'credit' for doing any one of them, and doing 1naja/1rat 'qualifies' you for a relic.

I would say that you only have to do one of each, based on all the logs of the text that have been posted so far. The qiqirn refers to "three tasks" that you succeeded in doing for the empress. If you had to do everything that the qiqirn asked (Alexandrite, Assault logs, 150k book, AND eyepatch), then he would refer to at least FOUR tasks not THREE. In my opinion the first task is retrieving the weapon along with the runic key, the second task is undertaking one of the Empress's orders that Naja gives you (Odin, 3 Beastman Kings, or 4 Chariots), and the third task being one of the four that the Qiqirn gives you. That to me makes the most sense, considering that when you count up every single thing the empress asks you to potentially do, there are eight total tasks (the weapon, the three that Naja gives, and the four that the qiqirn gives), yet the log for successfuly completing the qiqirn quest only refers to "three tasks," or one from each "set", counting the actual base weapon retrieval as the first set.

Hmm. You're right... the text does say 'three challenges'. So unless there's some other level on top of the ridiculous rat stuff, we would have weapon/key, NM kills, rat stuff. This is also the only way I can think of anyone being able to get more than 1 weapon, since I don't even know if the game recognizes you as losing credit for killing a mob with a title and then re-killing it. Sounds like extra programming that would require effort--thus quite unlikely. Some people might complain this is too easy, but as I said before this is still ~6 months of nyzul spam for 1 weapon, then 1yr+ of einherjar pain... it would also let any talented PT of people score a weapon (since the salvage bosses are doable lowman) without having to have an LS to fall back on immediately.


So yea, we're stuck for now, until someone that got past Naja and went to the rat trades the 150k token book to him.

[Minions]

More evidence to just having to meet one of the requirements that pertains to the Nashmau dialog but which I did not see discussed earlier regarding it. There is a line that says:

?Possible Special Code: 1F?y This quest cannot be accepted while in possession of a outdated memoire.
You will be required to dispose of the old memoire before taking on the quest.?Prompt?

Referring to the assault booklets, I believe. However, since you don't get those booklets until initiating the quest, and since they are Rare/Ex, then that line must be for if you were repeating the quest. However again, there should be no way for you to have them after the first time you quested, were they necessary for its completion.

You would, however still have them if you decided you wanted to upgrade a different weapon, then canceled with naja.

[Khamsin]

Hmm. You're right... the text does say 'three challenges'. So unless there's some other level on top of the ridiculous rat stuff, we would have weapon/key, NM kills, rat stuff.

What if the weapon/key doesn't count as a challenge, and the challenges come after the weapon/key? Since the upgrade process begins with that step, anyway.

[Kaelia]

Hmm. You're right... the text does say 'three challenges'. So unless there's some other level on top of the ridiculous rat stuff, we would have weapon/key, NM kills, rat stuff.

What if the weapon/key doesn't count as a challenge, and the challenges come after the weapon/key? Since the upgrade process begins with that step, anyway.

Well, the weapon/key IS an imperial order. The base weapons have been lost from the imperial treasury and the empire wants them back. We know that comes first chronologically. Naja's delivery of the next imperial order/task comes next in line; people have already gotten to that point. The qiqirn's quest is third, and the "three tasks/orders from the Empress" line comes from text of what seems to be completion of his (the qiqirn's) task. If we already know that the chronological order of the quests is Weapon (for Ovjang) -> ToaU Beastmen Kings/Chariots/Odin (for Naja) -> Eyepatch, Wyrmseeker Book, Alexandrite, 10,000 Ampoules (for Qiqirn), it wouldn't make sense for the third task to come either before the weapon retrieval OR after completing the qiqirn's task. That would be dismissing the retrieval of the weapon as an imperial order, even though it's quite clear that it is even from just the text summary (and the fact that the client is Ovjang), and why would the Qiqirn tell you you've already completed the three tasks if there were still one to go after you finished his? (Edit: Well, I know you still have one quest with Nashmeira to go before you actually obtain your actual relic; I'm more arguing toward the idea that you only need to complete 1/3 of Naja's tasks and 1/4 of the qiqirn's.) Maybe I'm missing something, but I thought we'd established that Naja's task is given upon completion of the weapon retrieval, and the qiqirn's task is given upon completion of Naja's task. I don't think there is any time unaccounted for?

[Narse]

...you only need to complete 1/3 of Naja's tasks...

I was under the impression that this edict was more along the lines of "defeat the threats to the empire", and required a clear of all of the fights, not just one portion. Being as how this portion is already being completed, can anyone verify if it is indeed a 'kill all' or a 'kill any'?

[Ramses]

Hmm. You're right... the text does say 'three challenges'. So unless there's some other level on top of the ridiculous rat stuff, we would have weapon/key, NM kills, rat stuff.

What if the weapon/key doesn't count as a challenge, and the challenges come after the weapon/key? Since the upgrade process begins with that step, anyway.

Well, the weapon/key IS an imperial order. The base weapons have been lost from the imperial treasury and the empire wants them back. We know that comes first chronologically. Naja's delivery of the next imperial order/task comes next in line; people have already gotten to that point. The qiqirn's quest is third, and the "three tasks/orders from the Empress" line comes from text of what seems to be completion of his (the qiqirn's) task. If we already know that the chronological order of the quests is Weapon (for Ovjang) -> ToaU Beastmen Kings/Chariots/Odin (for Naja) -> Eyepatch, Wyrmseeker Book, Alexandrite, 10,000 Ampoules (for Qiqirn), it wouldn't make sense for the third task to come either before the weapon retrieval OR after completing the qiqirn's task. That would be dismissing the retrieval of the weapon as an imperial order, even though it's quite clear that it is even from just the text summary (and the fact that the client is Ovjang), and why would the Qiqirn tell you you've already completed the three tasks if there were still one to go after you finished his? (Edit: Well, I know you still have one quest with Nashmeira to go before you actually obtain your actual relic; I'm more arguing toward the idea that you only need to complete 1/3 of Naja's tasks and 1/4 of the qiqirn's.) Maybe I'm missing something, but I thought we'd established that Naja's task is given upon completion of the weapon retrieval, and the qiqirn's task is given upon completion of Naja's task. I don't think there is any time unaccounted for?

One of those questions should be easily answered. For the couple of people that have passed naja and the many who have been able to flag it and have runic key, did you need to meet all of naja's requirements or just one? The people passed naja may have had all the requirements done anyway and can't tell us. However, there must be someone out there who is captain, has runic key and has beaten one of the tasks (3 kings, odin OR all salvage bosses). If someone in that situation can get past naja, we know only one task needs to be done. If not, than all have to be done. Anybody out there fit that description and can clear this up?

[Legend]

Correct me if I'm wrong, but I don't think it's mathematically possible for anyone to be close to 100k ichor yet.

We have an LS member with 50k Ichor. With Einherjar runs giving out more per run.. We should have them in no time. Giving how much each run is like double on ichor, I don't see that as a problem to get while they are doing the other steps to complete.

[vagus]

However, there must be someone out there who is captain, has runic key and has beaten one of the tasks (3 kings, odin OR all salvage bosses). If someone in that situation can get past naja, we know only one task needs to be done. If not, than all have to be done. Anybody out there fit that description and can clear this up?

This is what we're waiting confirmation for. After the 3 kings, odin and salvage bosses, it is unsure of what we need to do. There is a JP in our LS that has all titles except for Odin and our 1st Odin is on Saturday. I will try to ask her to talk to npcs after the titles.

[Aksannyi]

Correct me if I'm wrong, but I don't think it's mathematically possible for anyone to be close to 100k ichor yet.

We have an LS member with 50k Ichor. With Einherjar runs giving out more per run.. We should have them in no time. Giving how much each run is like double on ichor, I don't see that as a problem to get while they are doing the other steps to complete.

True that, but if you have people just starting out with Einherjar (now that they updated it, which seems to be the case), it will take them quite a while to accumulate that much ichor, and if they're like me, they actually want to spend their points on some of the shit, too. I'm a long way away from being able to actually complete this relic, but I won't be crying if we have to choose one of the four optons from the Qiqirn so I can spend my Einherjar points on other things.