Nyzul Relics require Runic Key (100 data wiped)

[orson]

I like the theory that nyzul relics still have fleshing out to do, they knew we would .dat mine them asap so they don't have the entire stats in atm, just the WS animation, weapon model, and basic damage/delay stats.

The 50,000 Alexandrite will either be claimed as an error to be adjusted, or there will be a new method released to acquire them, "coincidentally" around the same time we're able to .dat mine the finished relic forms.

Most likely just a cockblock to make sure noone who had all the rest of the stuff but the couple of things you HAVE to do fresh (the assaults mainly) would receive a shiny, but otherwise unfinished nyzul relic in a month.

So they don't want us to know the stats before we choose to upgrade? That doesn't make ANY sense at all. They gave us the normal weapons with no stats. This is the final product lol.

I also think this is exactly what SE had in mind. They knwo we dat mine and know that we can find out the stats for each weapon through that beforehand... however.. since they don't display any stats for now, the only way we can figure it out is to get it for ourselves... start working towards a nyzul relic.. This is probably meant to build the suspense/anticipation of getting the weapon...

Also, not knowing the stats is remniscient of pre-dat mining days.. when people started going for relic simply because it looked nice (lol), or they wanted to own something that was a status symbol.. or something else like that. This is one way that SE has managed to replicate the situation from their end. Chances are, once someone has attained a nyzul relic, SE will start revealing the stats on them... or maybe when the next update patch comes, they'll put in the obvious stats for the weapon... because by them some people would have already started on the weapons

You're giving SE too much credit. No matter how you put it, this is a stupid a idea that will lead to more people quitting if the weapon they spend a year on sucks.

Can we say most players that got Guttler?

[Dein]

I'm waiting to complain/get excited over these weapons until I see one of two things:
1) It gets confirmed that you only need to do one task from the Qiqurn.
or
2)SE messed up with the text about the Alexandrite and added one too many 0s to it.

The weapons and quest line for them probably won't be finished until the next update but, there's no reason for SE to "cockblock" players on the third quest just because they haven't finished things yet. I'd guess that it'd be much easier for them to just add the rest of the quest line later than add the rest of the quests and then have to go back and readjust a quest they purposely messed up.

It would be nice if these weapons are rather painless to get for how good they'd be but I won't hold my breath on that. Hopefully we'll see the old relics get adjusted when they release the final versions of the Nyzul relics so we can see how things compare.

[Therin]

2)SE messed up with the text about the Alexandrite and added three too many 0s to it.

Fixed.

[Gray]

I don't know where to find it, but wasn't it mentioned in an interview or something that the "true power of these weapons would be unleashed in the past" or something?

Theres a 3rd quest too, so maybe it'll involve:

Getting the top campaign medal
completeing all 3 nation's storylines
Defeat the shadow lord
do every campaign op.

Hopefully I'm just on crack though.

[Veli]

I don't know where to find it, but wasn't it mentioned in an interview or something that the "true power of these weapons would be unleashed in the past" or something?

Theres a 3rd quest too, so maybe it'll involve:

Getting the top campaign medal
completeing all 3 nation's storylines
Defeat the shadow lord
do every campaign op.

Hopefully I'm just on crack though.

They said you have to equip glory crown to see the true stats.

[Scorp]

I don't know where to find it, but wasn't it mentioned in an interview or something that the "true power of these weapons would be unleashed in the past" or something?

Theres a 3rd quest too, so maybe it'll involve:

Getting the top campaign medal
completeing all 3 nation's storylines
Defeat the shadow lord
do every campaign op.

Hopefully I'm just on crack though.

Could also mean the new ws's are only usable in campaign

[Byrthnoth]

One thing that might be the case, and this is the only reason I could see these quests being worth doing for anyone as they stand, is if once you fulfill the requirements for one Nyzul relic maybe you can upgrade as many other Nyzul weapons as you want with a minimum of effort.

Excepting Alexandrite and the Assaults, everything is a key item or title and seems to have been designed that way. So let's say that when you finish turning in the Alexandrite the Qiqirn never asks for more or gives you some key item like the Lu Shang quest. Then you'd just have to do 50 assaults and turn in the ledgers for each upgrade, which might be worth it if the upgraded relics aren't the statless pieces of craps they appear in the .dats. Getting the "best" weapons for all of your jobs and having them be free (nothing that these quests use so far is realistically sellable apart from the Alexandrite), might be worth it if you have a lot of 75s and roll that way! As far as the WSs go, it looks like they all probably have Dark/Light skillchain properties, and the THF WS looks to be single hit which might be cool for people without Mandau.



Alexandrite is stupid though. Assuming a 48 person Dynamis LS splits up into groups of 8 and does Salvage every day (Dynamis every 3) and assuming that they get 8 singles per run. That's 8*6*3 = 144 Currency every 3 days. Now, ~144 currency is a pretty shitty Dynamis run for most zones, but when you factor in spamming outlands/Tav you can probably assume it all averages out to 200/run average, which is a pretty conservative estimation.

Now, if you say you net the same amount currency per average Dynamis as every 24 Nyzul runs (splitting your group of 48 into 6 groups and going 3x as often), and the Nyzul relics cost ~3x as much (~17000/Dynamis relic vs. 50000/Nyzul), then the Alexandrite part of the Nyzul quests alone is significantly harder than a RotZ relic. Keep in mind that all the estimations in this are, in my opinion, slanted in favor of the Dynamis relics being harder. Maybe more people do Salvage than Dynamis, but I doubt it and if they do I doubt they go every day. Even if they did, 3x as many people don't do Salvage as Dynamis.

[Dein]

I don't know where to find it, but wasn't it mentioned in an interview or something that the "true power of these weapons would be unleashed in the past" or something?

Theres a 3rd quest too, so maybe it'll involve:

Getting the top campaign medal
completeing all 3 nation's storylines
Defeat the shadow lord
do every campaign op.

Hopefully I'm just on crack though.

As far as I can remember they didn't say anything about specific weapons. All I can remember them mentioning was some items might only be at full strength in the past and it sounds like you're actually remaking the Nyzul Relics from the quest line. Perhaps we'll see weapons and armor with "Past: +2 str, etc.".

[Max™]

Balestarius
DMG:88 Delay:504 VIT+8 Physical damage taken -8 Campaign: Occasionally attacks twice
Lv. 74 WAR

?

[Dein]

Balestarius
DMG:88 Delay:504 VIT+8 Physical damage taken -8 Campaign: Occasionally attacks twice
Lv. 74 WAR

?

Was thinking more along the lines of effects/stats that would be active only in the [S] areas and such.

[Sho]

I like the theory that nyzul relics still have fleshing out to do, they knew we would .dat mine them asap so they don't have the entire stats in atm, just the WS animation, weapon model, and basic damage/delay stats.

The 50,000 Alexandrite will either be claimed as an error to be adjusted, or there will be a new method released to acquire them, "coincidentally" around the same time we're able to .dat mine the finished relic forms.

Most likely just a cockblock to make sure noone who had all the rest of the stuff but the couple of things you HAVE to do fresh (the assaults mainly) would receive a shiny, but otherwise unfinished nyzul relic in a month.

So they don't want us to know the stats before we choose to upgrade? That doesn't make ANY sense at all. They gave us the normal weapons with no stats. This is the final product lol.

I also think this is exactly what SE had in mind. They knwo we dat mine and know that we can find out the stats for each weapon through that beforehand... however.. since they don't display any stats for now, the only way we can figure it out is to get it for ourselves... start working towards a nyzul relic.. This is probably meant to build the suspense/anticipation of getting the weapon...

Also, not knowing the stats is remniscient of pre-dat mining days.. when people started going for relic simply because it looked nice (lol), or they wanted to own something that was a status symbol.. or something else like that. This is one way that SE has managed to replicate the situation from their end. Chances are, once someone has attained a nyzul relic, SE will start revealing the stats on them... or maybe when the next update patch comes, they'll put in the obvious stats for the weapon... because by them some people would have already started on the weapons

You're giving SE too much credit. No matter how you put it, this is a stupid a idea that will lead to more people quitting if the weapon they spend a year on sucks.

Can we say most players that got Guttler?

Yeah. Except the fact that Guttler doesn't suck.

[Septimus]

How about we keep the speculation to a minimum until someone actually can get 50 assaults cleared again or a Copy of Wyrmseeker Areuhat turned into the rat? And by minimum, I mean just avoid it entirely. The speculation is pointless, especially when someone can figure it out eventually.

[Artem]

It's very silly to take the current .dat file relics at face value, and all of the "Nyzul relics will attack 2-3 times on Windsdays during a new moon vs. undead canines in an area under your home nation's control" fearmongering speculation isn't particularly helpful either, I must agree.

[Yutuyu]

The true power of these weapons unlocked in the past... true power... in the past...

Maybe they'll require us to complete all of WotG's content to complete these weapons too. Well that shouldn't be too hard.

[Oulanbator]

About the 50000 alexandrites, considering they stack to 99, it takes 50000/99= 506 inventory slots to hold them.
Considering a player have 230 slots total, there are either 100s and 1000s, or it's clearly a mistake.

[layoneil]

About the 50000 alexandrites, considering they stack to 99, it takes 50000/99= 506 inventory slots to hold them.
Considering a player have 230 slots total, there are either 100s and 1000s, or it's clearly a mistake.

the NPC stores them like Limbus coins.

[Kenji]

About the 50000 alexandrites, considering they stack to 99, it takes 50000/99= 506 inventory slots to hold them.
Considering a player have 230 slots total, there are either 100s and 1000s, or it's clearly a mistake.

You haven't been paying attention. People have already said the rat will hold them for you. So you only really need 1 inventory slot.

[solsovly]

A better comparison would be trading in Moat Carps for a Lu Shang.

[Not Kuno]

A better comparison would be trading in Moat Carps for a Lu Shang.

A better comparison would be like trading Maat's Caps for a Lu Shang.

[Oulanbator]

You haven't been paying attention. People have already said the rat will hold them for you. So you only really need 1 inventory slot.

I don't trust these rats