Nyzul Relics require Runic Key (100 data wiped)

[Jkun]

I'm actually glad they've neglected WotG content in order to help fill out ToAU but I don't consider ToAU done until I get my damn AF2 for BLU.

Seconded, maybe along with PUP/COR/BLU JSE? The only sorta JSE piece for the new jobs atm is the new PUP Earring from Ob and a few BLU swords/COR guns which have been around forever. It better be good too. If I see MAB+ on one more piece of PUP gear...

[Spira]

Lately there have been a few rumblings regarding powerful mystical weapons coming into the public spotlight in Aht Urhgan. Could these new weapons somehow become available to adventurers in the future?

I don't think the question statement affirms the idea that the weapons themselves are added, but simply that the path to adding them is now open to adventurers...

lets hope they ninja it in with chocobo...

[orson]

One could hope SE ninjas in the real Nyzul Weapons and Pandemonium with the Chocobo crap.

While we are at it, I hope they ninja "zeni" reward in the chocobo crap. Make the damn content useful.

We can always hope you could exchange chocobucks for NM pop items!

You stop that Rocl! Then Chocobucks would be worthwhile instead of forcing people to endure the endless torment of Pankratemon! Wait, did I say "endless torment"? I meant to say "unyielding suffering"...

How about making it so that you can also get Zeni Fellow Points as well? Woah! We can't have people picking the side-activites that they find most enjoyable to get useful items.

That's an awesome idea. Really make zeni available through Ballista, Brenner, Chocobo Racing, etc. That'd be brilliant aaah well maybe next time it'll be one of those.

[Suteru]

I don't see why everyone QQs about alexandrite, you do not have to finish all four items

It's pretty obvious from the quest text and the fact that there's no texts in the DAT files saying "You did ALL the stuff!"

Except this:
"Yooo done all three jobs Empress ask for!
Paparoon very impressed!"

You'd think you'd need to do everything he asked for, but he asked for FOUR things:
1. Eyepatch
2. Nyzul Token Book
3. Assault Memoirs
4. Alexandrite

So I'm 100% sure as only one task needed to complete, unless SE just sucks at math.

[Spira]

lots of us have come to this conclusion too.. but we arent giving SE the benefit of the doubt (cos, it IS SE after all) so we're kinda waiting for someone to go actually clear the thing.. which will take a while anyway

[Lyramion]

I don't see why everyone QQs about alexandrite, you do not have to finish all four items

It's pretty obvious from the quest text and the fact that there's no texts in the DAT files saying "You did ALL the stuff!"

Except this:
"Yooo done all three jobs Empress ask for!
Paparoon very impressed!"

You'd think you'd need to do everything he asked for, but he asked for FOUR things:
1. Eyepatch
2. Nyzul Token Book
3. Assault Memoirs
4. Alexandrite

So I'm 100% sure as only one task needed to complete, unless SE just sucks at math.

I also think (as in really hope) you only need to do one. Anyone remember the ToAU access quest?

http://wiki.ffxiclopedia.org/wiki/The_R ... Aht_Urhgan

There might be a pattern here.



Nyzul tokens and Eyepatch seem to have a good balance to me.

- 40 weeks for eyepatch when Einherjar is a cool 30min event to do twice a week.

- 25 weeks of using Tags for Nyzul when you are able to leech. Less than Einherjar but that´s fine because you also have to "pay" with not being able to get salvage points. Also diskholders sort of get screwed.

But there are 2 things a bit out of the balance for each theory.


- For doing ALL things Alexandrite is too hard as every donkey should have noticed by now. The theory is alexandrites are the rich crafter way to do things aimed towards the future (maybe 1 year+) when they should be more common and people realised they should basar them for 1000 gil max

- For only doing one of those things redoing all assaults seems too easy. Of course it looks like a pain at first but you know that people will just simply form Assault grind groups and rush this in 8 weeks. All while still getting points to maintain a good salvage count.


Question: Has any of the people who got the Assault books tried to complete one? It says you have to trade it to the rune of transfer. AN SE cockblock could be that this automatically ENDS the assault only making it possible for ONE person to advance his book. This would mean a group of 5 people recompleting everyones assaults would need 30 weeks for this which would fit into the balance scheme.

[Kaylia]

50k alexandrite still make no sense, even for rich crafter. It's ~10 000 salvages run worth of alexandrite, which is probably everything a server would see in a year (27 runs per days)

Actually, did anyone traded them and got the counter down to 49 999? Or people are just guessing 1 chunk = 1 crystal? It's also possible that the qiqirn will stop you before you reach 0.

[Lyramion]

Yea poeple said it goes to 49999

[Gunitsoldier]

It's also possible that the qiqirn will stop you before you reach 0.

That's what I was thinking, maybe after trading 5k or 10k he'll say it's done because, as you said, 50k is a little bit over the top.

[Spira]

or it could be dynamis timesink style...

oo mee got 50,000 shinies from you...

but meeee count wrongly... Captain... the Empress only needsa 30,000 shinies for AARI research to continue...

here, you can have the rest

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..lol its not in the dats tho so im just kidding..

i think Alexandrites will be the 'easy money route' to fund a nyzul relic in future. in terms of long term effort, if u start 1 year from now, it will be pretty easy to get ur hands on all this alexandrite... we have to remember that this is a long term investment weapon and even tho it doesnt seem economically viable now.. it will be in 1 years time..

just look at Ancient Beastcoins.. i feel like such a sucker for having wasted 21million worth of ABC (value at time of trade) for a loquacious earring

[Virtuous Saint]

or it could be dynamis timesink style...

oo mee got 50,000 shinies from you...

but meeee count wrongly... Captain... the Empress only needsa 30,000 shinies for AARI research to continue...

here, you can have the rest

You were unable to obtain the Alexandrite.
You were unable to obtain the Alexandrite.
You were unable to obtain the Alexandrite.
You were unable to obtain the Alexandrite.
You were unable to obtain the Alexandrite.
You were unable to obtain the Alexandrite.
You were unable to obtain the Alexandrite.
You were unable to obtain the Alexandrite.
You were unable to obtain the Alexandrite.
You were unable to obtain the Alexandrite.
You were unable to obtain the Alexandrite.


..lol its not in the dats tho so im just kidding..

i think Alexandrites will be the 'easy money route' to fund a nyzul relic in future. in terms of long term effort, if u start 1 year from now, it will be pretty easy to get ur hands on all this alexandrite... we have to remember that this is a long term investment weapon and even tho it doesnt seem economically viable now.. it will be in 1 years time..

just look at Ancient Beastcoins.. i feel like such a sucker for having wasted 21million worth of ABC (value at time of trade) for a loquacious earring

I like you, and you are right about most things, but there is no way these can be affordable EVER to support 50,000 IF they continue to drop as they are.. even IF there were 50,000 on ONE server in 1 year which as seen right now is completely impossible(lets say average obtained PER salvage run is 7; and lets say average amount of salvage runs per day for one server is 15; 7*15=105; 105*365(days)=38325alexandrites in 1year) even if somehow there WERE 50,000 on one server and ONE person had NO competition, and got to buy ALL of them for themself for 5000gil each; 5,000*50,000=250,000,000; for 1,000gil each; 1,000*50,000=50,000,000; for 500gil each; 500*50,000=25,000,000. This is simpley not possible at the current drop rate period.

Sorry for all the math, it was needed.

[Hanyoko]

Any goldsmithers (or other craft, maybe alchemy) tried desynthing them? And I know this sounds weird, but its a crystal so can it be 'grown'? The whole 1->2 etc etc but then again that would be silly.

Yea I dont know what SE was thinking with 50k unless gear type mobs are going to make an appearance outside salvage.

[Spira]

I get the math.. i really do..

I'm not good with numbers, but the thing I do know is that the longer it is from the date Alexandrites were introduced that you start the 50,000, the easier it will be for you to get them.. Thats all im really saying.. it could be 1 year.. maybe 2.. but the prices will keep falling. I do believe people will still be doing Salvage regularly even at that point.. and if they don't maybe SE will bump the drop rate up, or speed up the process by bumping it up in the next update...

One thing i think you're mistaken about however, is the average number of runs a day. 15 is a very deflated number, but at the same time its hard to say how many runs go on each day. These areas are immensely active around Japan time... shout parties I've seen in a single night can already reach more than 15.. and this doesn't include people who do their own runs in a group or LS or on the quiet.

Granted, not all of them will be getting 7 Alexandrites or 1 alexandrite at all, they'd still make up for more than your 7x15 average i think... but everyones probably just hoarding them at the moment...

Personally, I'd redo the assaults if I had to choose 1 of the 4.. but i can't get started on it yet cos my base weapon hasn't dropped...

[Xanthe]

Personally, I'd redo the assaults if I had to choose 1 of the 4.. but i can't get started on it yet cos my base weapon hasn't dropped...

I think that doing the Nyzule > Wyrmseeker book route would be the easiest if you're in a group with multiple people going after a relic. By the time everyone has their runic key and weapon 150k tokens should definitely be doable. It would also be preferable since tokens are only spent on entering at higher floors and the vending box for temp items. Also with the way ampules have increased in Einherjar it wouldn't take long to get 100k for the eyepatch. Either of those two methods would be more preferable to me than redoing every single assault or the seemingly impossible 50k Alexandrite.

[Gwynplaine]

Hopefully with the fat increase in Ichor someone soon will be able to buy the stupid eyepatch and be able to find out if that's enough to move to the next step or more tasks are needed.

[Judai]

The Aelxandrite math is a bit too nice, we have done 4 Salvage and have a total of 7 stones(with clearing Arra gears and Mtz gears). It's even worse then you have posted and it's impossible in it's current drop rate.

[Yutuyu]

I have a theory which is actually testable (possibly).

My thought is that with each path you clear, the difficulty of other paths becomes easier. For example, if you do the Eyepatch, you need fewer Alexandrites, only 4 assault logs, and the price of the Wyrmseeker book goes down. How do I propose this be tested?

Look at the .dat for each of the NPCs and find where they tell you how much they want to charge you for each thing currently. If it contains a variable expression and not just a number, then this could be the case? (I noticed a couple NPC dialogues had a variable value in for the amounts)

[Therin]

It'll totally be like the ZNM system and fluctuate based on popularity.

(God, that would suck.)

[Lotan]

So I'm 100% sure as only one task needed to complete, unless SE just sucks at math.

Unless I'm reading the first page incorrectly(Detlef's Screenshot post), then they do.

The part where Naja is talking about killing the chariots she says:

There are three specific targets we're after. You sure you got the sand for this one, Captain?

She then goes on to describe 4 chariots. It's worth noting this is the exact same quote as when she describes the 3 beastmen kings, of which there are only 3.

I guess my point is that 100% seems a bit over confident.

[Slycer]

It's pretty obvious from the quest text and the fact that there's no texts in the DAT files saying "You did ALL the stuff!"

Except this:
"Yooo done all three jobs Empress ask for!
Paparoon very impressed!"

I was under the impression that when he spoke about that, he was talking about having previously completed the three jobs in the quest for Naja/Ovjang. I remember from the dialog for that quest, you are asked to do "three jobs," with the beastmen leaders, Odin, and the salvage bosses each considered a job.