Campaign OP Adjustments

[LD]

Seeing this as some sort of nerf is inflexible, childish, and short-sighted, if you really look through the ops, there's no reason you shouldn't still get a good amount of exp.

Yes there is, it used to take me 30 minutes of Iron Anvil III to blow 7 tags on shitty jobs that I dont want to put the time and effort to gear up and deal with retards. (I'm looking at you BST/SMN). Now I have to check to see which ops are gimped, if there are even any I can do on said job, and research it if I'm not familiar with it. Are there other ops out there that can be done? Yes. Are they all going to 1 star because of this? This is SE, so it potentially could happen.

It's fine and dandy that they wanted to discourage everyone from doing the same one's over and over, penalizing people for doing missions that others have done is re-fucking-tarded. Imagine if assault went to this system, and you got 250 AP for golden salvage the first time you did it because everyone and their mom spamed it that morning. Yes there's a difference because AP is used for salvage, but who's to say that AN wont be used for something similar in the future?

eh....Campaign battles have always been the main source of AN for, well, everyone, and that already penalizes you for being a lower level. Campaign Ops give a fair bit too, but that's obviously not the draw for them and with everyone having an assload of AN already, I don't think AN is an issue for Ops.

As for the exp penalty on Ops, yes certain things will fluctuate, that's the nature of war. Maybe the fact that you can burn through one Op easily without having to put any real effort into it is, I dunno, bad or something that shouldn't happen? Honestly, I doubt having 1 star be what it was before would have the same affect as the current system. Odds are good people wouldn't stop doing the 'easy' Ops unless the others were boosted to unreasonable levels (I got 500+ from Stock & Awe 4, more than that might be broken for low level jobs). Also, in the event said Op became required, people would get a much larger reward for just doing whatever the hell they wanted. Obviously I'm seeing this from a 'greater good' standpoint while you're seeing this from a 'what's the best profit' standpoint, so I suppose there's no use discussing it any further, but it just seems very selfish and narrowminded to me.

[Apelila]

Of course it is selfish and narrow-minded, its a game. :D It's hard to take seriously a war you know you already won, ya?

Admittedly for all my bitching I haven't actually sat down and tried to poke the new system into my favor yet, so I really shouldn't be going all internet mode yet.

[Cog]

steel resolve II is broken, apparantly
the dialog box returns so slowly, all the workers run off before you can select anything, much less their color...

[ashke]

I miss my 240 exp from Streetsweeper III spam. Now I get 56... :/

WAT

gdi..
now how will I lvl THF

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I was using campaign ops for chump change XP on 10-37 jobs I'm only leveling as a sub; just so I wouldn't have to mule. Got SAM to 32, lol.

Hopefully they tweak this up; 56XP ain't worth the time.


Or give us a second mog locker so I can just XP what I want w/o muling.

[Kabbalah]

I still wondering how the hell we can raise funds; it's the only stat I see that has only one star.

[Deftscythe]

I think it's fair to say people doing ops to help the war effort or for completionism are in the minority. When everyone else who was using ops to level low jobs finds the easy ops gimped do you think they're going to start doing harder ones? Not the general populace that I know. They're either going to keep doing the same ops and accept the lower xp, or just abandon ops altogether.

[Jkun]

Steel Resolve II confirmed for borked. 5 NPCs ran away because the dialouge box took like 3 seconds to pop up..

Which is a massive shame because I fucking love this one lol.

[Bakthi]

As I posted in the other thread, I cleared Steel Resolve II four times in a row today, and I've never done it before. So...I don't know. I also did the one where you plant a bomb; it took so long to blow up that I thought surely the Yagudo would wander close enough to disarm it, but although they were right on top of it, that didn't happen. Twice.

I almost welcome this as I was getting rather bored of Crimson Domino III, but well...it was less effort for more exp. Steel Resolve II is pretty quick, but it was giving me 100 fewer exp per shot than CD3 used to.

[Auspice]

Steel Resolve II confirmed for borked. 5 NPCs ran away because the dialouge box took like 3 seconds to pop up..

Which is a massive shame because I fucking love this one lol.

Shit, I just thought that was part of the challenge. I had never done it before xD

[Wolfknight]

Steel Resolve II confirmed for borked. 5 NPCs ran away because the dialouge box took like 3 seconds to pop up..

Which is a massive shame because I fucking love this one lol.

really?, I did 3x III last night just fine so must only be the II, maybe even the zone you used for II?

[Thistle]

They're either going to keep doing the same ops and accept the lower xp, or just abandon ops altogether.

I was already sick of doing 7 streetsweeper IIIs in a row. Reducing the XP by even a tiny bit will be the last straw for me. I have no need to level BST, I was just doing it through that since it was free XP, so I'll just save myself some time and stop doing Ops from now on.

[Aksannyi]

They're either going to keep doing the same ops and accept the lower xp, or just abandon ops altogether.

I was already sick of doing 7 streetsweeper IIIs in a row. Reducing the XP by even a tiny bit will be the last straw for me. I have no need to level BST, I was just doing it through that since it was free XP, so I'll just save myself some time and stop doing Ops from now on.

Pretty much how I feel.

[BRP]

If people stop spamming the same ones over and over again now(and/or stop doing ops altogether), they'll increase in value for those with patience. Or you could just do any other of the solo ones that involve leaving the town. I don't think it's a bad idea for them to do what they did. It would have been nice if they increased the reward for 4 stars to 200% though. like 1 = 50%, 2 = 100%, 3 = 150%, 4 = 200%. Oh well.

[Wolfknight]

If people stop spamming the same ones over and over again now(and/or stop doing ops altogether), they'll increase in value for those with patience. Or you could just do any other of the solo ones that involve leaving the town. I don't think it's a bad idea for them to do what they did. It would have been nice if they increased the reward for 4 stars to 200% though. like 1 = 50%, 2 = 100%, 3 = 150%, 4 = 200%. Oh well.

main problem with it here now is demand on almost every solo one besides escort has falling to 1~2 star, and group ones suck.

[Sargas]

If people stop spamming the same ones over and over again now(and/or stop doing ops altogether), they'll increase in value for those with patience. Or you could just do any other of the solo ones that involve leaving the town. I don't think it's a bad idea for them to do what they did. It would have been nice if they increased the reward for 4 stars to 200% though. like 1 = 50%, 2 = 100%, 3 = 150%, 4 = 200%. Oh well.

In theory I'm fine with this sort of adjustment, but in practice every single op except the assaultish ones that require 3+ people are down to 1-2 stars, meaning that this does effectively nerf campaign ops in general and that's retarded. Clearly SE needs to adjust their formula for this so that ops aren't being completely nerfed by normal participation levels.

[LD]

Or they could enhance the BC Ops to make them more appealing by having them give better base exp to, you know, actually balance it like the did with the rest. The BC Ops don't require each person to have signed up for it, but it stills gives exp to everyone involved, meaning it can actually give more exp per tag than the rest. If the exp reward were improved to make it worth the investment of time, it would be at least as desirable as the others and could be planned out like an Assault (though it would also be nice if they reduced the player requirement, the Brave Dawn Series can be pretty much solo'd by any job that can heal).

[Sechs]

A Bit off-topic.

Maybe I never really fell in love for WotG. I still have a long way to go while raising my rank, and I currently have farmed only ~55k Allied Notes (all through campaign).
Never even tried Campaign Ops.

Do you think I should try them? And which one would you suggest me to try?

[LD]

..............Figure it out on your own. How the fuck are we supposed to know if you'll like it or not?

[Sechs]

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That's not really what I asked. I just wanted to hear opinions and suggestions, I don't think I asked for a Psychology profiling of my personality and tastes?
Nevermind I guess ^^'

[Jakson]

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That's not really what I asked. I just wanted to hear opinions and suggestions, I don't think I asked for a Psychology profiling of my personality and tastes?
Nevermind I guess ^^'

He was being rather douchebaggish. I'd say all the OPs are pretty much going to be boring and not very rewarding, but like somebody said, it's better than gearing up a boring job and then dealing with idiots after seeking for hours.