"Best" hMP setup

[Howard Roark]

Trying to figure out the best hMP setup, as Numerist Pumps makes me wonder if yigit set is no longer reigning champ of visible gears to rest in

Of course you have to factor in more costly/difficult items to get like mahatma body/oracle's robe, but here's the basic comparison:

Yigit Set

Yigit Turban: hmp+1
Yigit Gages: n/a
Yigit Gomlek: hmp+5
Yigit Seraweels: hmp+2
Yigit Crackows: n/a
= 8hmp + refresh effect

vs.

Head: Goliard Chapeau - hmp+2
Body: Mahatma Houppelande/Oracle's Robe[?] - hmp+6
Hands: Genie Gages - hmp +1/Oracle's Gloves[?] - hmp+2
Legs: Yigit Seraweels/Oracle's Braconi[?] - hmp+2
Feet: Numerist Pumps - hmp+4
= 16hmp OR
= 8hmp + Vermillion/Royal Cloak OR
= 10hmp + Morrigan's/Marduk/Dalmy


My hmp set is rather lazy/space constrained atm, any hmp perfectionists out there? Curious what you use, considering qiqirn sash+1 is a bit of a pain considering it's difficult to rest to full potential mp vs. say hierarch belt.

For completion's sake I've listed the ideal hmp set below, with less realistic items followed by [?]:

Main: Dark/Pluto's Staff - hmp+10
Sub, Range, Ammo: n/a
Head: Goliard Chapeau - hmp+2
Neck: Phi Necklace - hmp+3
Ear1: Relaxing Earring - hmp+2
Ear2: Antivenom/Magnetic - hmp+1
Body: Mahatma Houppelande/Oracle's Robe[?] - hmp+6
Hands: Genie Gages - hmp +1/Oracle's Gloves[?] - hmp+2
Ring1: Star/Celestial Ring - hmp+1
Ring2: Star/Celestial Ring - hmp+1
Back: Invigorating Cape - hmp+1
Waist: Qiqirn Sash+1 - hmp+3
Legs: Yigit Seraweels/Oracle's Braconi - hmp+2
Feet: Numerist Pumps - hmp+4

= hmp+40
EGAD!

Anyway, dunno how feasible all this is, seems excessive and for all the mp rested back, it's a far cry from any kind of max mp set. I assume there's no hmp cap? Post pics of your hmp setup if you got 'em, I'm assuming a middle ground is best, cape and rings seem excessive, although I guess by that logic I should ditch my antivenom too

[perryk]

I've been thinking a bit about this since the update as well.

Yigit Set gives 8 hMP + Refresh 3.33 hMP = 11.33 hMP

Best possible set without refresh after update:

Head: Hydra Beret/Volunteer's Khud/Goliard Chapeau/Oracle's Cap = 2 hMP
Body: Mahatma Houppelande/Oracle's Robe = 6 hMP
Hands: Oracle's Gloves = 2 hMP
Legs: Yigit Seraweels/Oracle's Braconi = 2 hMP
Feet: Numerist Pumps = 4 hMP

16 hMP, much better than the Yigit set. Hopefully the Oracle's set is not too difficult to obtain, because it is now the best resting set.

You left out the new combination of: Reserve Captain's Mace or Senior Gold Musketeer's Rod + Legion Scutum = 12 hMP. That brings the max to 42 hMP. Also if you swap in a refresh body between ticks, you could bring that up to more like 44-45.

[Howard Roark]

yeah, for the 1st few tics, refresh body is better than errant/mahatma; i know for faf on whm when i was hopping up and down quite often, i actually got to the point where i sold errant body until i later levelled brd

and yeah, very curious about the oracles set, but was highly hesitant to break yigit set (but it's ok lol, if I slack long enough, my incomplete yigit set can maybe be replaced by oracles set)

[Riiaider]

main Pluto's Staff
head Yigit Turban
neck Grandiose Chain
ear1 Relaxing Earring
ear2 Magnetic Earring
body Yigit Gomlek
hands Yigit Gages
back Invigorating Cape
waist Qiqirn Sash +1
legs Yigit Seraweels
feet Yigit Crackows

Gave up on Star Saphire dropping.....dont even get me started on Phi Necklace....Gotten 2 of those STR rings so far -.-

That new stuff looks pretty sweet though. I am hardpressed for inventory already though....they really need to let us have 80 on our person

[Seol]

The Oracle set can't be better than Yigit, unless the data mining went wrong on job listings, Oracle set can't be used by RDM and BLU. Yigit is still wins by having your local mages in the job list; RDM/BLM/WHM/SMN/BLU.

[Valena]

This new shield also :

Legion Scutum
DEF:16 MP+20 Enmity-2 MP recoveRDM while healing +5
Lv. 71 All Jobs

Can be used in conjunction with a HMP mace. and both have a 7 HMP mace as Conquest point reward for their citizens.
Dark Staff goes

[Apelila]

Ooh, thanks to this topic I know what autorefresh HMP is. Thank you!

My RDM pre72 has a total of 19, goes up to 24 when i get errant body in a level.

I'm torn on the new rare/ex feet for mages: elemental and enfeebling? jesus.

[Amok]

It's (converting refresh to hMP) still skewed though, cus of how the first tic takes longer (~20 seconds, yes?). It would change depending on how long you're resting. Besides, isn't it always better to keep Refresh pieces on until right before the /heal tic?

[Spekkio]

This new shield also :

Legion Scutum
DEF:16 MP+20 Enmity-2 MP recoveRDM while healing +5
Lv. 71 All Jobs

Can be used in conjunction with a HMP mace. and both have a 7 HMP mace as Conquest point reward for their citizens.
Dark Staff goes

does anyone have one of those "citizens of (nation)" pieces of equip who can verify that they do not depend on being in a conquest area and or having signet on? i'm guessing no, they work just fine, but after my master caster's got the finger when ToAU was released, i don't trust SE anymore with conquest dependent gear.

[Valena]

Yup, my usual resting macro starts with Noble's Tunic. And I have a separate macro which is
/wait 17
/equip body Errant

Yigit is still soooo far away

[Lothiriel]

That new stuff looks pretty sweet though. I am hardpressed for inventory already though....they really need to let us have 200 on our person

fixed

[shieldsofwindurst]

Depends somewhat on which job you're talking about, rdm has a different set of options than blm/whm/smn. Also, while I've seen no evidence of any kind of hmp cap, remember that there's diminishing returns on hmp gear (I've done the math), and stacking more and more will not necessarily improve your performance, from a "how many ticks do I have to rest before I can get back to the fight" standpoint. Also, for mages (esp blms) who have already maxed everything else such that they're working on hmp, you probably don't have the room to carry around hmp-only gear.

I'll have to sit down and redo the numbers with this new gear, but pre-update it was prohibitively expensive from a gil and inventory standpoint, nevermind luck based for rare drops, to *barely* outdo yigit, and it didn't even really improve performance from a "# of ticks needed" standpoint. Sure you'll get more mp per tick, but outside of smns spamming bloodpacts, mages don't generally care about getting 1-2 ticks in then doing something~you generally blow your mp, rest to an acceptable level, and get back to the fight.

That isn't to say it's worthless-just that I'd be surprised if the gain from the new pieces will justify the effort & inventory space over sticking to yigit.

[drwaffles]

Mine:

http://i74.photobucket.com/albums/i2...606_172025.png

It would be pretty much perfect if SE didn't keep bringing out ridiculous shit that's not even worth carrying around. Looking at you, Star Rings.

[Loren]

Yigit set works fine for me. If you look at actual combat situations, resting is usually either:
- rest to full with plenty of time so small differences in hMP don't matter, or
- rest for 1-3 pulses, so Auto Refresh counts for a lot--especially since you may not be able to control when you stand up

For inventory reasons, I have a personal cutoff of +2 or greater for the little accessories.

It would take Oracle gloves + Numerist pumps to make me rethink my set, but even then it might not save much in the way of inventory since I'd still carry at least 4/5 Yigit for other reasons (also, boo @ no RDM on Oracle set).

[cdgreg]

This new shield also :

Legion Scutum
DEF:16 MP+20 Enmity-2 MP recoveRDM while healing +5
Lv. 71 All Jobs

Can be used in conjunction with a HMP mace. and both have a 7 HMP mace as Conquest point reward for their citizens.
Dark Staff goes

does anyone have one of those "citizens of (nation)" pieces of equip who can verify that they do not depend on being in a conquest area and or having signet on? i'm guessing no, they work just fine, but after my master caster's got the finger when ToAU was released, i don't trust SE anymore with conquest dependent gear.

I'm looking at my level 73 war mule I have Attack 372, equip Reserve Captain's Pick and attack 382. I have no signet (or sigel, etc) and I'm in whitegate. If you reeaaaaalllllyyyy want I can upload SS's but I'm too lazy and he's so gimp I dont want anyone to see!

[Apelila]

IIRC the "citizen" bonus is independent of signet, I'll confirm later with my WHM and her +7 blue spoon.

[Ashira]

LOL, I just posted this exact like, gripe/discussion/analysis etc etc in my blog today; and what pieces could be replaced and what would just be dragging along extra things with new Oracle gear and other pieces, etc.

Also, would have to have a separate set for RDM, since it cannot wear Oracle's - but RDM also has the Duelist's Belt with +4 hMP

[Apelila]

confirmed with senior gold musketeer's rod:
With sanction on in whitegate got 27 hMP with out any weapons / auto refresh, got 34 with rod equipped.

[Apollyon]

I have two resting macros for each job, first is max hMP, second is more of a blend of hMP and MP. I went on an hMP kick for a while there, and the difference between someone who slips on Errant/DarkStaff and someone who has invested in an hMP set is HUGE imo


My max hMP for BLM/SCH/BLU:

Main: Pluto's Staff (+10)
Head: Yigit Head (+1)
Neck: Grandiose Chain (+2)
Ear1: Relaxing Earring (+2)
Ear2: Magnetic (+1)
Body: Yigit Gomlek (+5 +Refresh)
Hands: Yigit Gages (+0)
Back: Invigorating Cape (+1)
Waist: Hierarch Belt (+2)
Legs: Yigit Seraweels (+2)
Feet: Yigit Crackaws (+0)
Total: +26 hMP + Refresh

RDM is a bit different:

Main: Pluto's Staff (+10)
Head: Duelist's Chapeau (+Refresh)
Neck: Grandiose Chain (+2)
Ear1: Relaxing Earring (+2)
Ear2: Magnetic (+1)
Body: Warlock's Tabard +1 (+5)
Hands: Zenith Mitts (+0)
Back: Invigorating Cape (+1)
Waist: Hierarch Belt (+2)
Legs: Yigit Seraweels (+2)
Feet: Goliard Clogs (+3)
Total: +28 hMP + Refresh


Really excited about some of the new pieces, need to do some serious thinking about some of the new gear, and if they are worth carrying just for hMP.

[Spekkio]

thanks to everyone who tested the citizen gear. i assumed that it wouldn't be a problem, but with SE, i just don't trust them enough to go to the trouble of getting a mace on an assumption. time to do sandy missions!