The gimp/confused/wtf player thread IV: No NQ Amemets here!

[Obev]

My new justification for being too lazy to unlock/level Scholar is now "SATHSATHSATHSATHSATH".

[Charismatic]

Because if I'm duoing something with a WHM, the only time I'm going to need them to do anything is ES sleep it when I get 1-shotted for more than my total HP and get raised.

Really now? So, basically you want a RDM that has RIII?

Now you know I have no problems with you Sath but...
GTFO Sath, that isn't an argument for or against /SCH.
This information is irrelevant, and in your earlier setup with the lowmanning scenario if you had a BLM a RDM and a BRD you'd be just as well off.

Your argument translates to me as: Well, we don't use WHMs to their fullest potential anyway... so might as well let them sub BLM even though all it gives is an ability that's useful every 10min (since we don't have em do shit anyway) rather than something that increases their overall efficiency in just about everything a WHM would normally do all the time since we don't know how to use White Mages.

[Tempyst]

This entire thread is drowning in NQ Amemet bashing, which realistically speaking, will absolutely never pose any kind of disadvantage in practical application. All of this while Scholar's benefits appear constantly, yet are being dismissed as petty irrelevancies.

This entire thread is drowning in NQ Amemet bashing, which realistically speaking, will absolutely never pose any kind of disadvantage in practical application. All of this while Scholar's benefits appear constantly, yet are being dismissed as petty irrelevancies.

This entire thread is drowning in NQ Amemet bashing, which realistically speaking, will absolutely never pose any kind of disadvantage in practical application. All of this while Scholar's benefits appear constantly, yet are being dismissed as petty irrelevancies.

This entire thread is drowning in NQ Amemet bashing, which realistically speaking, will absolutely never pose any kind of disadvantage in practical application. All of this while Scholar's benefits appear constantly, yet are being dismissed as petty irrelevancies.

this this a million times this

you people have such ridiculous double standards, +5 attack is a godsend but an entire subjob is passable because it requires time to get

[BerenTebogo]

Because if I'm duoing something with a WHM, the only time I'm going to need them to do anything is ES sleep it when I get 1-shotted for more than my total HP and get raised.

Really now? So, basically you want a RDM that has RIII?

Now you know I have no problems with you Sath but...
GTFO Sath, that isn't an argument for or against /SCH.
This information is irrelevant, and in your earlier setup with the lowmanning scenario if you had a BLM a RDM and a BRD you'd be just as well off.

Your argument translates to me as: Well, we don't use WHMs to their fullest potential anyway... so might as well let them sub BLM even though all it gives is an ability that's useful every 10min (since we don't have em do shit anyway) rather than something that increases their overall efficiency in just about everything a WHM would normally do all the time since we don't know how to use White Mages.

Read the part you quoted, I'm talking about two very different (to me) scenarios. One is my NIN + a WHM fucking around doing shit we're not supposed to be doing, not an event. The ES slow is regarding HNM and my experiences as PLD, I'm not trying to overlap them at all because I never cross the two jobs, they're completely different experiences for me.

And in all honesty, in the HNM arena, if your tanks are good what are your WHMs doing anyways? Regen? I don't like it cast on me because it fucks up my cure 3 macro. Cure V? Yeah maybe if elegy and slow both wear and I get fucked up, or somebody doesn't stun something they should be stunning sure, I'll give you that, but as far as anything between cure II and cure V I don't want it cast on me, that's what my MP is for, so that's the curing aspect.

Barspells - /SCH clearly shines as far as I know there isn't even a comparison, so for wyrms, /SCH goes here.

Haste - doesn't matter to me either way as long as I have it on

-na's - again, doesn't matter as far as I'm concerned, by the time you use your JA to make it -ga and cast it, I've already had my Ni paralyzed once (as a possible example) instead of just casting it on me asap, it's a short recast time and it's not hard to hit the person with hate first, but either way it's a moot situation.

Slow - 'But that's what RDMs are for!' covered this already, but to reiterate, in a perfect world I have a RDM with 3/3 slow 2 2/2 dia 3 and 5/5 phalanx 2 in my back pocket paying attention to only my wants, desires and needs, and sure, maybe some shells won't attempt to claim with 6 people, or with 8, or with 10, not my call to judge on that. We will, we'll claim with 3 if it means killing it, and the number of times I've needed a WHM to be a crucial part of an ES slow cycle is exponentially greater than the times I've had enough mages to go around and a full ally. It depends on your LS more than anything, but if I'm not using a WHM for ES slow at cerb or khimaira, all I'm using them for is stona, paralyna, and shell V, that's the entire extent of your job on those 2 mobs if you're not in a slow order, I don't see how you'd even put /SCH to use there.

I haven't had a need to use a WHM at it's fullest potential (to me translates to cure bombing the shit out of someone who can't tank) in a long time, R3 is nice but the trademark of a job shouldn't be how well you can get dead people up. As far as I'm concerned, regarding the way we play FFXI, if a WHM has occasion to sub SCH outside of Tiamat, he has occasion to be on a different job, if we have enough RDMs for a full enfeeb order without any worry then the best you have to offer me is shell V, which I won't cry over not having.

I've been out of limbus and dynamis for a few months now, and I have capped merits, so I campaign for my buffer, I have absolutely no opinion on WHM/SCH as it relates to anything but duoing and HNM, nor do I care what people are choosing to sub in those situations, but when I have to argue with a WHM to come /BLM on a T10 assault over /SCH because he thinks he can land slow on cerb with his higher ENF+ skill from /SCH, I'm going to be annoyed.

[Charismatic]

Well, apparently we have slightly different views on the uses and usefulness of the White Mage job.
I don't think we're ever going to see eye-to-eye here.

I'll just say that I disagree with you and drop it here because I doubt going any further will change the way either of us see things, and well... your way of doing things works for you so there's really no reason to change it. (And I rarely even play FFXI anymore so... doesn't matter what would for me, heh)

[BerenTebogo]

Fine with me, I didn't really want a full blown argument here anyways, I hate arguing about stuff I can't personally put my fingers on (my WHM is like level 17 or something)

Everyone uses everything differently, I am a bit curious, for curiosity sake, in this day and age of gameplay, how do you think WHM should be used? I tried to see the side of it you were probably trying to get at, but it's not clicking for me.

[depht]

http://img524.imageshack.us/img524/5...0214633ky6.png

Gear swaps are overrated!

And someone had the nerve to invite THIS over a seeking Corsair!? x500

[Suterusu]

While WHM was not my first job to 75, nor my last it was by far the most fun to level and play end game. Pre SCH days I found, as many peopel did, BLM sub was > SMN. While SCH sub may have the most utility now, just as /SAM does for most 2 handed melee, the game was still playable either way. There was no HNM I found where I was unable to perform because a lack of haste, cure casting time, MP, etc. /SCH doesn't make WHM "useful" it simply makes playing them more versitle. Their primary purpose as a heavy cure bomb and R3 whore will not change. As for any job, -na spells and support healing, I can perform that fine as BRD/WHM with haste gear and my own 8/tic refresh.

[Tsutsumiko]

/blm is only good when you need eseal slow in all other situations if your rdms blms and brds arent doing their job than I suggest you find new ones

/blm is only good when you need eseal slow in all other situations if your rdms blms and brds arent doing their job than I suggest you find new ones

/blm is only good when you need eseal slow in all other situations if your rdms blms and brds arent doing their job than I suggest you find new ones

After playing WHM for damn close to 6 years, yes.

/SCH @ everything that's not a Cerberus or Khimaira type mob. (I keep feeling I'm missing something though, but those are the two most noticeable HNMs off the top of my head)

[drwaffles]

/SCH @ everything that's not a Cerberus or Khimaira type mob. (I keep feeling I'm missing something though, but those are the two most noticeable HNMs off the top of my head)

Dark Ixion.

[Tsutsumiko]

/SCH @ everything that's not a Cerberus or Khimaira type mob. (I keep feeling I'm missing something though, but those are the two most noticeable HNMs off the top of my head)

Dark Ixion.

Ohya... ._.;;

I used /SCH for Carbuncle's First Ixy kill though and I didn't have too much of a problem...wasn't terrible but it wasn't great. Don't know if I want to use it again...

[Kipling]

I know it's prolly been beaten to death with all these posts but um.. /sch is a fine sj, but as someone who was a career HNM whm, I wouldn't change my /blm for the world. I cannot tell you how many times ES repose with just me and a tank on Tiamat when rushing out, or me and a tank on Khim for ES slow has saved our lives. But then again I don't play whm (or didn't) much outside of the HNM scene. Sorry to derail. That's all, if this was said already sorry, just my 2 cents.

[FailureMidgard]

Fine with me, I didn't really want a full blown argument here anyways, I hate arguing about stuff I can't personally put my fingers on (my WHM is like level 17 or something)

Everyone uses everything differently, I am a bit curious, for curiosity sake, in this day and age of gameplay, how do you think WHM should be used? I tried to see the side of it you were probably trying to get at, but it's not clicking for me.

Honestly, I see very few uses to even have my white mage around anymore. I feel I'm a better healer on my scholar with more tricks available to me (Keeping a full, not shitty smn version, stoneskin on you would be more useful than anything a whm could do besides haste most likely, but a rdm can cover that!). That being said, if you want to lowman shit that isn't highly resistant to the point it requires ES, whm/sch is amazing (sch/rdm is still better).

As a side note, has anyone tested Klimaform vs ToAU HNMs? Personally, I don't do HNMs, but it seems like Klimaform would be pretty nice for landing debuffs on them sans ES? Then again, it's entirely likely it's not a big enough boost.

[Kipling]

Fine with me, I didn't really want a full blown argument here anyways, I hate arguing about stuff I can't personally put my fingers on (my WHM is like level 17 or something)

Everyone uses everything differently, I am a bit curious, for curiosity sake, in this day and age of gameplay, how do you think WHM should be used? I tried to see the side of it you were probably trying to get at, but it's not clicking for me.

Honestly, I see very few uses to even have my white mage around anymore. I feel I'm a better healer on my scholar with more tricks available to me (Keeping a full, not shitty smn version, stoneskin on you would be more useful than anything a whm could do besides haste most likely, but a rdm can cover that!). That being said, if you want to lowman shit that isn't highly resistant to the point it requires ES, whm/sch is amazing (sch/rdm is still better).

As a side note, has anyone tested Klimaform vs ToAU HNMs? Personally, I don't do HNMs, but it seems like Klimaform would be pretty nice for landing debuffs on them sans ES? Then again, it's entirely likely it's not a big enough boost.

Well sure, for...non HNM events, a rdm can prolly take care of most things.... But when you're low manning enmity is usually a big issue, and cure 5 is your friend. I avoided cure 4 like the plague, and sch doesn't have as much -enmity gear as whm does. And in regards to the haste issue, I've always found it's the whm's responsibility to pick a tank and haste them. The rdm has enough to do. Just don't think you can replace whm with sch, if you think that's the case you're greatly underestimating a very capable job...if played right and properly equipped.

[Ramuhnub]

http://img242.imageshack.us/img242/3276/bailoszq6.jpg
http://img171.imageshack.us/img171/3842/bardasx3.jpg

Claimed KA, full time gear had a WHM with similar gear forgot to get a pic... about an 18min kill.

[Robert]

every thf I see on cerb that isn't in a 'hnm' ls uses those damned legs -_-

[Karbuncle]

every thf on every server uses those pieces of shit

I keep telling people, Gimp THFs just come by the hundreds :_:
There are more SAMs,PLDs and THFs in all the Gimpconfusedwtf player threads then all the other jobs combined :<

We need a public service announcement for these jobs

[Ramzii]

http://img113.imageshack.us/img113/1...1115425ie3.png

yep... that is a justice torque

[Kyo]

Also, i've noticed a trend in every gimp gear thread... there is always a ranger wearing scout's jerkin and no one calls them out on it. (Why on earth would you wear that pos... please don't tell me it's for the -enmity.)

On bismarck we have a gun relic holder that uses jerkin for a rapid shot build, thats only case ive seen it used, but yes people who wear it should be stabbed many times in the face.

[rog]

http://i289.photobucket.com/albums/l...wastedgear.jpg

trotters, vbelt, nq noct legs, lvl 20? xbow, don't remember the rest.


http://i289.photobucket.com/albums/l...g/phailsam.jpg

yes, that is a hagun

http://i289.photobucket.com/albums/l...g/phailwar.jpg

woodsman+assailants rings. earring is Soldier's Earring (def+20% in red hp). non-DA grip.