The gimp/confused/wtf player thread IV: No NQ Amemets here!

[FailureMidgard]

Well sure, for...non HNM events, a rdm can prolly take care of most things.... But when you're low manning enmity is usually a big issue, and cure 5 is your friend. I avoided cure 4 like the plague, and sch doesn't have as much -enmity gear as whm does. And in regards to the haste issue, I've always found it's the whm's responsibility to pick a tank and haste them. The rdm has enough to do. Just don't think you can replace whm with sch, if you think that's the case you're greatly underestimating a very capable job...if played right and properly equipped.

The haste issue I was giving up as a loss, and it's a pretty small one. On whm, I generally tried to keep 2 tanks hasted, to allow the rdm to focus more on refresh, debuffs, phalanx2, etc. Yes, replacing a whm with a scholar will put a little bit extra load on the rdm to haste, but since the addition of /sch, the rdm can probably stop refreshing the whm/sch, or sch/x if needed, so adding 1 haste should net about the same.

As for enmity, I fully understand how it works, and many whms I see in HNM shells have the same attitude as you being "omg cure4 is the devil". I think if a whm wants to be good, they should go read Kaeko's enmity shit first off, which will start off showing you that cure4 is good and useable, especially early on in a fight. Furthermore, I'm not sure if you realize, but putting stoneskin on the tank is very little hate in the long run, with a spike in VE when you cast it. It is actually, over a long fight, the most enmity-efficient way to "heal" the tank.

All the following #s are credited to Kaeko:

Stoneskin: 1CE, 300VE.
Accession: 1CE, 80VE.
Cure IV: .72CE, 4.32VE per hp cured.
Cure V: 400CE, 700VE.

What's this mean? If I Stoneskinga myself and the tank, I gain 2CE, and 680VE to prevent 350 dmg to the tank (not to mention if the tank's shadows fall, it gives him more leeway to not die in a bad situation). On top of that, it will lower the hate the tank loses due to absorbing 350 dmg. A good scholar should be able to keep this up most the times, especially if they are smart timing it between tp attacks/etc. You can also do it from outside 10' from the mob if you position properly, which is the radius on the shorter range aoes usually. Anyway, the clear benefits as far as hate goes are the fact the CE is insanely low, the VE is still half of what Cure IV would take to do the same amount, AND the tank suffers no blood loss on top of that.

But move on to CureIV/CureV. If you ever land a Cure V for less than 555, you are actually generating more enmity with Cure V in the long run than you would have with Cure IV (more CE, VE early in the fight should decay if you are smart with it). This does happen, especially if you have multiple healers. Perhaps some shells are more amazing than the ones I've watched fight Cerberus and shit, but I definitely see Cure Vs land for 0, and wonder if the players even realize they just fucked themselves on threat.

Then again, there's also people who still try to log for threat, and don't realize the only thing they are doing is losing VE from not doing anything for X amount of time. If you are smart and have an idea as to where your VE is at roughly, and try to have healers alternate cures, you can keep your VE at a very manageable lvl without ever using C5, and outside of 100% perfect play, your CE will be right around the same level.

[Tricen]

Some of these I've found

[Max™]

Sheesh, I already summed it up.

/Sch gives the same kind of boost/tradeoff vs /Blm for Whm as /Sam gives to a 2her vs /Nin.

A surefire safety net vs Doing everything your job does well, just a little better.

People still don't consider Drk or Drg or Gaxe War gimpy without /Sam do they?

They'll never consider Whm gimpy without /Sch then.

It's still a kick ass sub for a wide range of situations. (sitchy-ay-shuns)

[Pepper]

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My god, your UI is the most eye destroying one I have seen yet.

[Robert]

http://img126.imageshack.us/img126/9915/wutcp7.jpg

[Therin]

http://img126.imageshack.us/img126/9915/wutcp7.jpg

Another Khimaira camper?

At least it's not as bad as Pent.

[Robert]

yep <_< berek got his so c-team came out to camp (boasoul, juice, jag)

[Iremire]

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v2...621_111045.png

Full time gear.

[Max™]

I think it slow the enemy I hit

[Robert]

the slow is converted to haste i mean why else would SE put slow on gear lol!

[terranova]

Some of these I've found

Other than the rings/earrings/ammo/range.. both of those RDMs have better gear than me.(and I also have spider).

What's gimp about them?

[Iremire]

He also stood in front of its mouth and just as it was about to breath they killed it. Made us cry on vent.

[Misuicide]

http://i76.photobucket.com/albums/j6/Misuicide/yeah.jpg

[spoiler:133o00xc]yes thats a pigeon earring[/spoiler:133o00xc]

where do all the crappy aegis plds come from

[Sev]

http://i76.photobucket.com/albums/j6/Misuicide/yeah.jpg

[spoiler:2do2we0e]yes thats a pigeon earring[/spoiler:2do2we0e]

where do all the crappy aegis plds come from

Visa

[Niki]

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v2...621_111045.png

Full time gear.

I'm more suprised that your $3000 bot lost claim than see a gimp person with Infinity pearl. When we came to Phoenix we thought they are RMT because their equip and gear choices are just hilarious. You could kinda post the whole LS here. Mcu is only with them because he wants to get N.Legs, he didn't want to wait until we sell it to 2 other persons before we could sell to him.

[avelle]

http://i76.photobucket.com/albums/j6/Misuicide/yeah.jpg

[spoiler:r0a5yvpx]yes thats a pigeon earring[/spoiler:r0a5yvpx]

where do all the crappy aegis plds come from

This guy is on Midgard? Oh for fuck sake.

[Lebzile]

yep <_< berek got his so c-team came out to camp (boasoul, juice, jag)

You mean Berek remade an LS? Or is he still in KoN/Dynasty/WhateverTheirFuckingNameIsNow?

I almost fucking choked at that paladin. Whattheshityo.

[S N K]

While there are still a few times /blm or /smn has uses, for the most part, white mages should be subbing scholar most all the time. I'd rather have a poorly geared whm/sch than a well geared whm/blm.

You are not bitching about SCH as something that should be the only sub a WHM can use are you?

Please tell me you're not serious...

Warp is really good for killing shit, am I right?

Yeah I suppose Elemental Seal Repose or Sleepga for a Bad pull that kills all the BLMs isn't a good idea either right? Just like Sath said there are times where I value a whm having that elemental seal for that rare instant of a fuckup which could wipe an ally.

Now don't get me wrong in saying that /sch is a bad sub. I think it's a great sub to have but calling out 5 WHMs and saying they are gimp for not leveling /sch is foolish. The subs they have atm are perfectly ok in Dynamis for what they're doing which is standing there cure bombing people in their partys.

Unless you can point out how well sch will make them cure better all the time, I don't see any real difference. I'm currently leveling sch to 37 for my whm which I finally picked back up after almost 2 years of not even touching it.

I'm more of a completist tho when it comes to subs because I like having options. Those WHMs were perfectly fine in my eyes.

I don't see /sch as a requirement but as a choice if they wanna do something new and fun.

[Tsuko_Asura]

Did you read what you quoted? I mean, it says right there that he acknowledges that the alternate subjobs do have uses.

And what are these "bad pulls" you're referring to?

[S N K]

Did you read what you quoted? I mean, it says right there that he acknowledges that the alternate subjobs do have uses.

And what are these "bad pulls" you're referring to?

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