PUP: Coiler, Steam Jacket, Ob, and You.

[Jkun]

well i'm sorry but my question has no effect on ob's drop but since its talking about Pup i dont wanna create a new post just cauz of it.
Here is my question, if any are pup, you prolly killed marids with ur blm frame and once a chigoe popd just flash bulb killed it, but have you try since update? cauz i always do it for spending my time, and now, each time a marid pops a chigoe and my pet flash it, its no more killing it, simply thought i was a glitch or sumthing like that so i went in Rolanb [S] and found one chigoe there, same deal, flash but nothing, tried with SS and still nothing, Did SE cancelled the one-shot JA possibility? T.T

Ugh. Technically, Flashbulb is a JA, just like any of the Bash JAs, that is supposed to kill Chigoes in one hit. I guess now they've ninja changed it so it acts like the spell Flash.

Lame.

[Chronatog]

Ugh. Technically, Flashbulb is a JA, just like any of the Bash JAs, that is supposed to kill Chigoes in one hit. I guess now they've ninja changed it so it acts like the spell Flash.

Lame.

yeah looks like, now its getting harder to kill marids with a chigoe on us, maybe try with /drk ;; ?

[Jones]

Ugh. Technically, Flashbulb is a JA, just like any of the Bash JAs, that is supposed to kill Chigoes in one hit. I guess now they've ninja changed it so it acts like the spell Flash.

Lame.

yeah looks like, now its getting harder to kill marids with a chigoe on us, maybe try with /drk ;; ?

As a side note, but not to derail further, the Valoredge's Shield Bash also does not kill the chigoes. I think that's a mistake. I can understand Flashbulb and Strobe being taken away (although it was fun being able to practically solo Saving Private Ryaaf), but an actual offensive JA that does damage? Shield Bash should work. Every update is a big surprise for PUPs, as we never know how much SE ninja tweaked our Automatons (Spellcasting AI especially) without extensive testing.

On topic with Ob. I've been successful at netting the earring and Steam Jacket, but no Coiler for me so far. I've been manaburning it each time with a couple BLM and RDM (and usually a THF for TH4). It's pretty easy, but I'm curious. Does the each frame have different amounts of HP? And which is weaker to elemental magic, Sharpshot or Valoredge? Or are they the same?

[Jkun]

Ugh. Technically, Flashbulb is a JA, just like any of the Bash JAs, that is supposed to kill Chigoes in one hit. I guess now they've ninja changed it so it acts like the spell Flash.

Lame.

yeah looks like, now its getting harder to kill marids with a chigoe on us, maybe try with /drk ;; ?

As a side note, but not to derail further, the Valoredge's Shield Bash also does not kill the chigoes. I think that's a mistake. I can understand Flashbulb and Strobe being taken away (although it was fun being able to practically solo Saving Private Ryaaf), but an actual offensive JA that does damage? Shield Bash should work. Every update is a big surprise for PUPs, as we never know how much SE ninja tweaked our Automatons (Spellcasting AI especially) without extensive testing.

On topic with Ob. I've been successful at netting the earring and Steam Jacket, but no Coiler for me so far. I've been manaburning it each time with a couple BLM and RDM (and usually a THF for TH4). It's pretty easy, but I'm curious. Does the each frame have different amounts of HP? And which is weaker to elemental magic, Sharpshot or Valoredge? Or are they the same?

Ah! It may seems so! But they don't. From what I recall:

Harle: -50% melee DMG Taken
Storm: +50% Melee DMG Taken
Valor: -75% DMG Taken
Sharp: 0(?)% DMG Taken

Based on my Howling Fist Damage from always fighting Sharpshot, I think that's about right, I however haven't fought Ob sicne I got Coiler, yet BLMs in my pt said they saw no difference on nukes, regardless of frame. Which is weird since I was sure Stormy would have MDB.

[Kimiko]

Also, can I get confirmation of Ob having a rage-type effect if a PUP in the party/alliance overloads? After our PUP overloaded on light-maneuvers, Ob (in Valoredge mode) three-shotted our main tank (PLD/NIN, 250 dmg normal, 350'ish crit, then bone crusher for bout 800-900)

[rath]

I always assumed sharpshot and valoredge were the easiest to kill, like the above posters state, until today. I joined a random group to kill Ob (they had a pup so the fight should be cake), except this PUP didn't know how to chnage his form, so we ended up with stormwalker popping and thundaga III. This killed the Automaton immediately.

At this point the smn kites it and people cure up and wonder wtf to do. When we are all cured up I go see how the smn is doing, turned out he had it down 25%. So I went in (blu) and began attacking it and sapmming stun, this worked quite well. The blm started to nuke like he was planning to nuke sharpshot and his HP steadily dropped. Now seeing as it was on a mage, we hoped the PUP would resummon his automaton and change him before he dipped under 50%, but this didn't happen. But to our surprise, no MM, turns out that's a harlequin move for Ob.

We popped him 3 more times and purposefully changed him to stormwalker and just stunned any aga. He likes to use TIV and AM, so he stands there and lets you kill him most of the time. He used an average of 2 TP moves (both knockout) and they atre shadows. We had blu smn pup rdm blm.

[rath]

So, first things first. I decided to make a thread here because it seems the Advanced section was getting pissy about PUP discussion.

Dicks.

Just kidding! In any case, this is for discussing the new attachments and any theories/strategies for defeating the NM they drop from, Ob. Partially because trailing through 41+ pages in this thread is a bit annoying, and partly because I'm nice.



Ob can drop a plethora of useless junk alongside the two new attachments. Most are existing attachments from ENM60 "Pulling the Strings" or ToAU BCNM Quest...thing "Targeting the Captain". Alongside Coiler and Steam Jacket, comes a very nice PUP specific earring called the Guignol Earring. Increasing the potency of Repair by 20%. The two new attachments, however, are listed below;

About this, I have killed Ob well over a dozen times now and have not once seen any of the "Targeting the Captain" attachments:
Condenser
Dynamo
Economizer
Optic Fiber
Reactive Shield
Tranquilizer
Turbo Charger
I have seen almost every enm 60 attachments, and tons of the new ones, but none of these. Is it actually confirmed these drop? Or was this just assumed to be the case when they started to drop ENM60 attachments. There has not been an influx of these attachments in the AH, nor has anyone been shouting to sell them. I have also checked the other thread, and can see no SS of them dropping.

[Wizerd]

Ah! It may seems so! But they don't. From what I recall:

Harle: -50% melee DMG Taken
Storm: +50% Melee DMG Taken
Valor: -75% DMG Taken
Sharp: 0(?)% DMG Taken

Based on my Howling Fist Damage from always fighting Sharpshot, I think that's about right, I however haven't fought Ob sicne I got Coiler, yet BLMs in my pt said they saw no difference on nukes, regardless of frame. Which is weird since I was sure Stormy would have MDB.

There is definitely a difference in nuke damage between the frames. Your BLMs were wrong, plain and simple. I don't remember exact numbers but I will have my PUP friend change the frames around so I can test. Anyway, Sharp took the most magic damage, Valor seemed to take the second most, but barely more than the magic casting ones (Which both appeared to take the same damage. Although the RDM-like one may have been more like Valoredge.)

Either way, Sharp took normal damage from my nukes (in comparison to what my RDM does on other NMs/mobs). Valor I would guess was around -25%, and the casters maybe -30-40%?

About this, I have killed Ob well over a dozen times now and have not once seen any of the "Targeting the Captain" attachments:
Condenser
Dynamo
Economizer
Optic Fiber
Reactive Shield
Tranquilizer
Turbo Charger
I have seen almost every enm 60 attachments, and tons of the new ones, but none of these. Is it actually confirmed these drop? Or was this just assumed to be the case when they started to drop ENM60 attachments. There has not been an influx of these attachments in the AH, nor has anyone been shouting to sell them. I have also checked the other thread, and can see no SS of them dropping.

As far as I know, I was the one who confirmed at least one of the Targeting the Captain attachments in the other thread. I don't know for sure if that's where it was from but I vaguely remember the PUP I was with QQing about the fact that he bought his a while ago for a lot of gil. What are the attachments called?

[Jkun]

Damage

There is definitely a difference in nuke damage between the frames. Your BLMs were wrong, plain and simple. I don't remember exact numbers but I will have my PUP friend change the frames around so I can test. Anyway, Sharp took the most magic damage, Valor seemed to take the second most, but barely more than the magic casting ones (Which both appeared to take the same damage. Although the RDM-like one may have been more like Valoredge.)

Either way, Sharp took normal damage from my nukes (in comparison to what my RDM does on other NMs/mobs). Valor I would guess was around -25%, and the casters maybe -30-40%?

Targeting the Captain Drops

As far as I know, I was the one who confirmed at least one of the Targeting the Captain attachments in the other thread. I don't know for sure if that's where it was from but I vaguely remember the PUP I was with QQing about the fact that he bought his a while ago for a lot of gil. What are the attachments called?

We took 2 BLM to two runs, the rest we didn't. So they weren't wrong, probably just a little confused. If you could supply some evidence that would be great. (I've been shouted at many times for updating without evidence), but if 2-3 testimonials match, that's what I put in the OP.

About the ENM drops, that was my bad. I got Drum Magazine mixed up with where it came from. Will fix this.

[Jones]

I also haven't seen any of the Ashu Talif attachments in my personal drops, nor in any screenshots from all the boards I check. I'd say they do not drop and Jkun should edit the main post.

What are the attachments called?

Not sure what you meant here.


Finally, the BLMs and RDMs in my runs noted normal nuke dmg on Sharpshot. Although one said his was enhanced, I think he was just saying that b/c the otherwiki claimed 125% nuke dmg on Sharpshot at the time. My Automation's nukes seemed normal dmg (~800-900) for no manevuers, so I'm more inclined to believe it's not enhanced.

[Psion]

Stormwaker frame does in fact, use magic mortar, but he doesn't use it nearly as often, and it doesn't appear to be as strong. (it still sucks though). When i fought him a stormwaker the first time, he used magic mortar twice, which took our pld down fairly low, but didn't instakill him.

[Sechs]

Thanks for the Awesome info Jkun.
I still have to try Ob (0 Zeni, been slacking around XPing other jobs, couldn't find time/will to gather Zeni yet, don't even have a soul trapper lol, ok shoot me >_>), but when I will try it, I'm gonna have a PLD/WAR tank it.

Do you think Sharpshoot would deal too much damage to a PLD? Arcuballista doesn't worry me, but Daze? And the new WS? (supposing Ob can use it).
I was thinking to use Stormwaker+Spiritreaver, keeping 1 wind + 1 thunder + 1 ice.
Otherwise would you suggest Valoredge?

My party's likely setup is going to be:
1x PLD/WAR
1x PUP/WAR
1x BLM/WHM
1x RDM/BLM
1x WHM/SMN
and dunno what else, most likely a RNG/NIN and whatnot.


Too bad Ob doesn't drop the Ashi Talif attachments, I was really looking forward to additional ways to obtain them (hard to find a group of people willing to static it...)

Oh and another partially OT question. It's been nice to found out what you said about Analyzer, but now I wonder against a TPmove-spamming monster, what would be best to equip the automaton with, under Earth?
Armor II+Analyzer? Armor+Equalizer? Equa+Analyzer?
And for the Water element? The +Magic Defense ones? Or Steam Jacket?