Tiamat Question

[Redness]

So i'm going through DM's collection of Avesta videos on youtube, and this is just a random thought, and I know this is a "lol" thing, but I was outlining the basis of RDM soloing and it comes down to a few simple questions:

Does it have epic regen? (Asked LS, they said it wasn't over 20/tick, can that be confirmed? Is there a way to test that?)

Can it be bound or gravitied? No.

Can it be slept? Yes.

So, what is it exactly that is keeping Tia from being soloed (other than there being no point except to say you did it and possibly annoy LSes by offsetting their ToD 6 hours)?

Regen?

Adds? Perhaps get some friends to take them ala Ash Dragon?

I have a lot more questions to throw around this topic but I want to see what others say first before I get carried away.

[BerenTebogo]

So i'm going through DM's collection of Avesta videos on youtube, and this is just a random thought, and I know this is a "lol" thing, but I was outlining the basis of RDM soloing and it comes down to a few simple questions:

Does it have epic regen? (Asked LS, they said it wasn't over 20/tick, can that be confirmed? Is there a way to test that?)

Can it be bound or gravitied? No.

Can it be slept? Yes.

So, what is it exactly that is keeping Tia from being soloed (other than there being no point except to say you did it and possibly annoy LSes by offsetting their ToD 6 hours)?

Regen?

Adds? Perhaps get some friends to take them ala Ash Dragon?

I have a lot more questions to throw around this topic but I want to see what others say first before I get carried away.

A solo RDM can't resist tiamat through fire kit in air, and if he uses MDB set there isn't enough refresh in the game from gear alone on 1 person to keep you alive through even a single flight, unless you used literally near 0 MP on the ground.

iirc capped MDB on Tiamat with shell IV should be 135ish per hit, combined with no elegy on the ground, virus from tebbad wing, it's just not possible, in the least.

Edit: After reading through your post a bit further, even the best RDM will have sleep last only a second or two if used every landing for about 45 minutes, which would be 100% required for a solo.

[Mansin]

Assuming your main source of damage is in the air, because you'd get raped quickly on the ground, you would need to find a way to push 300 fire resist in gear and barfire alone to even stand a chance of surviving a flight.

[BerenTebogo]

Assuming your main source of damage is in the air, because you'd get raped quickly on the ground, you would need to find a way to push 300 fire resist in gear and barfire alone to even stand a chance of surviving a flight.

It's not possible, even with shit like assault breastplate and every piece of gear HQ on PLD you're looking at 170ish max from gear, counting shit like cerb bow (which RDM can't wear, and also assault breastlplate, which RDM can't wear) and there's no possible way that I know of that RDM can push 130 Barspell, and 300 is still the low end of the resist tier, I don't feel comfortable on tiamat with less than 320, a higher level pop will ruin your night at 300.

[Mansin]

Assuming your main source of damage is in the air, because you'd get raped quickly on the ground, you would need to find a way to push 300 fire resist in gear and barfire alone to even stand a chance of surviving a flight.

It's not possible, even with shit like assault breastplate and every piece of gear HQ on PLD you're looking at 170ish max from gear, counting shit like cerb bow (which RDM can't wear, and also assault breastlplate, which RDM can't wear) and there's no possible way that I know of that RDM can push 130 Barspell, and 300 is still the low end of the resist tier, I don't feel comfortable on tiamat with less than 320, a higher level pop will ruin your night at 300.

I know it isn't possible, I was explaining to him why he wouldn't live a flight.

[BerenTebogo]

Ah, gotcha.

[Redness]

Which leads to my next question. We have BLMs ES Sleep II when he's on the ground, and we kill it fairly quickly using manaburn strat. Other... less skilled linkshells have gone on for hours and hours... and hours, continuously ES > Sleep. If he had the ability to completely resist at some point they would have been fucked, but he never did. ES always landed it.

I'm not sure how much magic acc. ES is (I only assume +100 or more) but a RDM (post-patch) can get *will edit with grand total* over 360 enfeebling with a good amount of magic acc added.

So, does tia build a total resistance to sleep like other NMs to gravity?

Meaning you could sleep him while he's on the ground (since you'd get raped anyway) > rest > back to tanking when he hits the air.

Red

*note* I've not done many Tia's, and when I do i'm always BLM and nuking so excuse these obscure questions that would seem like common knowledge.

[Redness]

More,

So Tia hits with magic damage in the air, and physical on the ground? I've never tanked a tiamat so I just don't know this and I've never asked.

[Mansin]

If this were even possible as a trio BRD WHM RDM, you would most likely be MPKd after the surrounding linkshells become restless of your six hour DoT fest.

To answer your above question:
Magic in Air, Physical on ground.
I don't think he builds resistance to sleep. I've tanked him a few times on NIN/DRK and the BLMs have had no problems with sleep resists while I've been spamming it on him.

[Redness]

Thanks, and the magic damage isn't blinkable?

[Mansin]

In the air he uses single target attacks that are Fire based Magic damage which I believe are blinkable. I don't cast shadows in the air and rather take damage for my cotank to cure. In the air he also will use Inferno Blast (TP move?) that's a lot stronger AoE fire damage. Tebbad Wing is in there too, AoE fire damage and Virus.

[BerenTebogo]

ES isn't MACC+ afaik, it makes the next spell land 100% if it's possible to land. I can tell you from first hand experience you will not be able to land an even half duration sleep without ES if you sleep it every land for even an hour, I have seen problems with non-ES sleep and NIN/DRK.

Not blinkable in air at all, you will take damage every hit, no matter what, minimum damage you'll take every second or so is 135ish solo, there's no way around this and that's with the best MDB gear in the game, and yes, MPKing on tiamat is as easy as taking a sip of water. There's just no possible way, sorry.

[Secksi]

His damage in the air is not blinkable, at all.

As far as sleep resistance goes, it's duration, not a straight up resist(at least with ES).

[BerenTebogo]

Also, if you get Tebbad Winged, even once, your entire fight is over. It's -mp per tick virus, and then you can't rest. Don't think remedy removes, it's highest tier virus.

And to further the above poster, if you tank as NIN/DRK with a sleep cycle for pretty much any period over an hour, expect 10 second duration ES sleeps.

[Redness]

It's -mp per tick virus, and then you can't rest. Don't think remedy removes, it's highest tier virus.

The negative MP effect is called plague, and # Remedy Ointment will remove this effect. (According to wiki.)

If the sleep duration is reduced (I've heard from several people now that this is indeed how it works) I now see why it isn't feasable. This was just a passing thought that hit me, and I didn't understand why it hadn't been done yet.

So at a very minimum, how many people and what jobs would you need? Assuming you wouldn't be able to sleep on the ground after a certain point you'd need a tank (i'll go with rdm/nin since we're already here.) Maxed fire resist, so some badass gear + WHM + BRD for carol. Not to mention BRD for ballad, and we'll give him a relic horn while we're here.

What else?

[BerenTebogo]

It's -mp per tick virus, and then you can't rest. Don't think remedy removes, it's highest tier virus.

The negative MP effect is called plague, and # Remedy Ointment will remove this effect. (According to wiki.)

If the sleep duration is reduced (I've heard from several people now that this is indeed how it works) I now see why it isn't feasable. This was just a passing thought that hit me, and I didn't understand why it hadn't been done yet.

So at a very minimum, how many people and what jobs would you need? Assuming you wouldn't be able to sleep on the ground after a certain point you'd need a tank (i'll go with rdm/nin since we're already here.) Maxed fire resist, so some badass gear + WHM + BRD for carol. Not to mention BRD for ballad, and we'll give him a relic horn while we're here.

What else?

BRD WHM and RDM could do it over about 5 hours, on their own private server, without a single mistake. In a real scenario? It's not possible, even with just adds. Hell, if you'd make it an hour before somebody ended it for you I'd be surprised.

[Mansin]

Yeah I'd say BRD WHM RDM could theoretically DoT kill it, but in a real world someone would train something on it and make him flail. The impossibility of a trio at this point is the kill speed and how the people around would deal with it.

[drwaffles]

ES isn't MACC+ afaik, it makes the next spell land 100% if it's possible to land.

Incorrect. Take it from someone who just recently had an ES Freeze II half-resisted on a Pudding literally minutes after explaining to his friend that the first rule of BLM soloing is "Thou Shalt Have Thy Nukes Resisted On Chain #5". ES grants a huge boost to magic accuracy, but after that incident in particular I'm convinced it's not 100%.

Also note QQTH and the fact that ES Gravity is able to land on it but usually does not.

[BerenTebogo]

ES isn't MACC+ afaik, it makes the next spell land 100% if it's possible to land.

Incorrect. Take it from someone who just recently had an ES Freeze II half-resisted on a Pudding literally minutes after explaining to his friend that the first rule of BLM soloing is "Thou Shalt Have Thy Nukes Resisted On Chain #5". ES grants a huge boost to magic accuracy, but after that incident in particular I'm convinced it's not 100%.

Also note QQTH and the fact that ES Gravity is able to land on it but usually does not.

I guess that makes sense, my BLM is 42, I'm a tank, so I guess as far as i knew wasn't very far.

Good to know though.

[Redness]

Yeah I'd say BRD WHM RDM could theoretically DoT kill it, but in a real world someone would train something on it and make him flail. The impossibility of a trio at this point is the kill speed and how the people around would deal with it.

Well I in no way, shape, or form intend on trying this. I have a linkshell for that, and I have much more interesting shit to do than try and tank tiamat for 5 hours, through several stacks of toolbags of shihei, and 600k of remedies.

Interesting though, how would someone make him flail by training shit to it?