Hissho Hachimaki

[Tan]

However, Ancient torque, a DEX ring, Hachiryu hands, Byakko's haidate, Usukane Haramaki and a commander's cape will reach 112 DEX for me as a hume, and still be a very decent TP set for birds that allows for crit tier during melee and WS, I would fully endorse parsing the shit out of that set vs. any existing should anyone actually get all these items before I get a chance to.

Just a little aside, because I could be wrong. The way I understand it is that from lets say 90 total DEX to 109ish total DEX everything is roughly static besides from the very small expected increase in crit+% once you break 110-112 you reach the new tier and receive the large bonus in crit, so attempting to reach the tier when not possible is not always as good as increasing your fSTR.

Whats your base DEX for Hume? My NIN isn't 75 and I'm Elvaan so mine would be worse, but was curious how much +Dex you would need in gear. But here are my thoughts on a possible Crit Hit WS build for NIN.

Main – Senj: +6% Crit
Offhand – Shusui: 3 DEX 5 ACC - (New offhand vs Perdu?)
Head - Voyager’s Sallet: 4 DEX 3 STR (Or if ACC is a problem, Enkidu's Cap: 3 Dex 9ACC)
Neck – Ancient Torque: 4 DEX 9 ACC
Earring – Brutal Earring
Earring – Pixie Earring: 3 DEX
Body – Hauby +1: 12 ATT 12 ACC 6 STR 6 DEX
Hands – Ninja Tekko +1: 6 STR 6 DEX (Hachiryu Kote would be nice but losing 6 STR for 4 Dex is a big chunk)
Ring – Rajas: 5 STR 5 DEX
Ring – Thunder Ring: 5 DEX
Back – Forager’s Mantle: 3 STR 15 ATT
Waist – Warwolf: 5 STR 5 DEX
Legs – Byakko’s Haidate: 15 DEX
Feet – Enkidu’s Leggings: 3 DEX 4 ATT (What do most 75NIN's WS in? And would these be better?)

Totals
DEX: +59
STR: +28
ATT: +27
ACC: +15

As for using that Set to build TP in I don't know. You lose a lot of haste in the Waist, Hands, and Head slot so I think the overall damage would be lower. But I think that would be an almost ideal WS set as you have a good combination of STR, ACC, DEX and ATT.

[Khajit]

I thought the dex tier on colibri was 120 dex..
Did I get the wrong # or remember the tier for mamool ja or something?

[Naramaska]

Mamool - No matter what, you're eating sushi here, if you have a BRD your songs are either march / min or min / min, or if two bards, march x2 min x2 - for dual-wield on mamool there's just no way that attempting to eat meat works better than sushi unless you're in the absolute top-tier of your job

Honestly...I was under that impression for a damn long time too, but lately i've been using exclusively Hedgehog Pie on Mamools (I never merit @ Colibri; not enough mobs), and my damage has gone up considerably compared to Sushi. Even with the generally "unacceptable" ~78% accuracy I have with it, my Blade: Jin averages about 730-780 (with 11% return virtually every time), and my DoT is enough so that I generally am only outparsed by people with significantly better gear than my own.



That being said, 12k for a stack of sushi vs. 50-75k for 2-3 pies per merit PT make me want to just say "fuck it" and pile on the haste gear with sushi anyways.

[BerenTebogo]

However, Ancient torque, a DEX ring, Hachiryu hands, Byakko's haidate, Usukane Haramaki and a commander's cape will reach 112 DEX for me as a hume, and still be a very decent TP set for birds that allows for crit tier during melee and WS, I would fully endorse parsing the shit out of that set vs. any existing should anyone actually get all these items before I get a chance to.

Just a little aside, because I could be wrong. The way I understand it is that from lets say 90 total DEX to 109ish total DEX everything is roughly static besides from the very small expected increase in crit+% once you break 110-112 you reach the new tier and receive the large bonus in crit, so attempting to reach the tier when not possible is not always as good as increasing your fSTR.

Whats your base DEX for Hume? My NIN isn't 75 and I'm Elvaan so mine would be worse, but was curious how much +Dex you would need in gear. But here are my thoughts on a possible Crit Hit WS build for NIN.

Main – Senj: +6% Crit
Offhand – Shusui: 3 DEX 5 ACC - (New offhand vs Perdu?)
Head - Voyager’s Sallet: 4 DEX 3 STR (Or if ACC is a problem, Enkidu's Cap: 3 Dex 9ACC)
Neck – Ancient Torque: 4 DEX 9 ACC
Earring – Brutal Earring
Earring – Pixie Earring: 3 DEX
Body – Hauby +1: 12 ATT 12 ACC 6 STR 6 DEX
Hands – Ninja Tekko +1: 6 STR 6 DEX (Hachiryu Kote would be nice but losing 6 STR for 4 Dex is a big chunk)
Ring – Rajas: 5 STR 5 DEX
Ring – Thunder Ring: 5 DEX
Back – Forager’s Mantle: 3 STR 15 ATT
Waist – Warwolf: 5 STR 5 DEX
Legs – Byakko’s Haidate: 15 DEX
Feet – Enkidu’s Leggings: 3 DEX 4 ATT (What do most 75NIN's WS in? And would these be better?)

Totals
DEX: +59
STR: +28
ATT: +27
ACC: +15

As for using that Set to build TP in I don't know. You lose a lot of haste in the Waist, Hands, and Head slot so I think the overall damage would be lower. But I think that would be an almost ideal WS set as you have a good combination of STR, ACC, DEX and ATT.

Base DEX is 70, and while you're right that you would definitely get a crit build on WS for that, you'd also miss at least 1 hit on about half of your WS.

Here's my set for birds:
TP
http://i34.photobucket.com/albums/d1...623_172030.jpg

WS (somehow I couldn't find my day WS, so just replace koga with nin tekko +1)
http://i34.photobucket.com/albums/d1...5_110222-1.jpg

And on birds with madrigal 91% is upper range of ACC and I'm still not 100% satisfied with my ACC on WS to be blunt, I know people use far less ACC than this on average, but to me it's still not enough, so a crit build for WS right now would actually be less damage overall.

The potential with the new gear is really good, but you just need to go so far out of your way with what exists that it isn't practical.

Edit: and yeah I love hedgehog pie for mamool, I use it whenever I happen to get mats to have one synthed but I'm really jewish about it so I don't include it as the norm, especially since with relic I end up tanking, and dying at least once a party (unlucky drub or whatever) and that's just a huge waste of gil :\

Edit#2: I'd never replace perdu offhand with anything but fully upgraded nagi (work in progress) and even that's not 100% sure, perdu is amazing

[Richybear]

Sath, your WS gear makes you lose 700k.

[BerenTebogo]

Sath, your WS gear makes you lose 700k.

<3

Mid campaign on my BLU, ran in to mog since I haven't SS'd since usu body D: lol

[Callisto]

Sath what legs are those on WS?

[BerenTebogo]

Usukane - STR5 DEX5 ATT10 Haste+3%

[Tankjr]

It's a great piece for MNK no doubt, but the very easy to get Shura head, and to a greater extent Usukane Somen are just much better choices (the latter if you need a bit more ACC)

No

Shura head is not good for NIN? What?

for MNK

[BerenTebogo]

It's a great piece for MNK no doubt, but the very easy to get Shura head, and to a greater extent Usukane Somen are just much better choices (the latter if you need a bit more ACC)

No

Shura head is not good for NIN? What?[/quote]

for MNK

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you're taking it completely out of context, my entire post was about NIN, what I'm saying is "While Hisso hachimaki is an excellent piece for MNK, shura head and usukane are better choices overall for NIN" pretty sure I even said I don't claim to know anything about MNK WS, but if I didn't, I don't.

[Amastacia]

Sath what legs are those on WS?

Usukane Hizayaroi, which are actually quite good.

People regularly underestimate how necessary Att still is on multihit WSs.

That said, I'm Mithra, so I crack the crit tier (at least on birds) without any real contortions or suboptimal gear. <3

Haven't actually had the time to merit since I finished my pants, but I'd more than likely use them over Haidate at MMJSP and most other camps if I were eating sushi.

p.s. I probably fall into Ashira's "top tier" even though I don't have 5/5 Usukane yet or Sniper +1 (Divisor will have to do), but I definitely think Hedge Pie is entirely reasonable at MMJSP if you're in a 2 BRD or BRD + COR party and are getting an external Acc buff. I don't have a self-parse there since I finished Somen a while back, but I was sitting in the 82-83% range with Blade Madrigal, Hedge Pie, and +56 Acc (including +DEX), which was more than enough to shit all over sushi.

[Tankjr]

you're taking it completely out of context, my entire post was about NIN, what I'm saying is "While Hisso hachimaki is an excellent piece for MNK, shura head and usukane are better choices overall for NIN" pretty sure I even said I don't claim to know anything about MNK WS, but if I didn't, I don't.

Oh I see now. The way it was worded made it difficult to understand. Carry on.

[BerenTebogo]

you're taking it completely out of context, my entire post was about NIN, what I'm saying is "While Hisso hachimaki is an excellent piece for MNK, shura head and usukane are better choices overall for NIN" pretty sure I even said I don't claim to know anything about MNK WS, but if I didn't, I don't.

Oh I see now. The way it was worded made it difficult to understand. Carry on.

Sorry lol, I type usually directly as I hear it in my head, forgetting that nobody has any clue what I'm saying half the time.

[Callisto]

Usukane - STR5 DEX5 ATT10 Haste+3%

Durn was wondering if kitty shorts would get you closer to the 110~ spot than that. Out of curiosity, do you know if that 110~ spot was just for birds(like if crit tiers were on some kind of dDEX-AGI deal or the like), just wondering if you'd need more to hit the tier on Mamools. I'd be really interested to see a full-on crit Jin build, Tan and I meritted with this random JP NIN a while back that seemed to be going for a DEX build, we were kind of wtf @ him WSing in Osode and shit, but he was consistently dropping 800-1k Jins, and ended up being one of the most buff NIN's I've meritted with(which doesn't say alot). I'd love to see what kind of effect it'd have w/ someone holding a Kikoku and better gear.

I also want to see what kind of damage/enmity a fully decked out casting NIN/BLM with nuking gear would put out, but I don't know any NINs who'd want to drop the gil on it for science's sake.

[BerenTebogo]

DEX vs. specific mob, it's like DEX vs AGI or something, and mamool AGI is much higher.

[Naramaska]

p.s. I probably fall into Ashira's "top tier" even though I don't have 5/5 Usukane yet or Sniper +1 (Divisor will have to do), but I definitely think Hedge Pie is entirely reasonable at MMJSP if you're in a 2 BRD or BRD + COR party and are getting an external Acc buff. I don't have a self-parse there since I finished Somen a while back, but I was sitting in the 82-83% range with Blade Madrigal, Hedge Pie, and +56 Acc (including +DEX), which was more than enough to shit all over sushi.

I usually get dumped with 2x Minuet, but that's due to always meriting with one of the two Bravura WAR's in our LS. The EVA down proc definately seems to help, which would explain why I can get away with it without Madrigal.