RDM melee setup part II - Not so lol

[Belkin]

I think the real question is...

What the fuck are you gonna use this for?

There are very few things that this would be even remotely good for. I'm not trying to bash you or anything, but you are really going to spend 100m on this? Just get a Blau Dolch...

[evilpaul]

If the OP really has 100mil to do this, and has some practical purpose for it in mind (soloing Ts/VTs? meriting? killing spiders in Kuftal Tunnel?), then why not go do it and report the results?

[Redness]

How exactly was that trolling? I was just pointing out that it does not help your argument. Yes there are situations where hitting for 0 and dealing damage with enspell is a good strategy for solo, but that has nothing to do with mandau.

Sorry, it was late last night and at the time it seemed like you were just trying to be an asshat.

Incidentally, even though you're staying on the down-low about what your plans are with this, I'd be worried about hitting for incredibly low damage with this build. There's not a whole lot of Attack/STR in that build and, although I'm sure you plan to rely a fair bit on enspell damage, I can't see Mandau justifying itself well. Just a thought, though.

It doesn't. What justifies the Mandau is my patience and over-all stubbornness.

I agree with this. 20% haste is great but when you're hitting for shit, even with Mandau, it's not really worth it. Look into that whole fSTR thing and make sure you're above that certain line, get a decent bit of attack in there, and then slap haste in the other slots.

If you wanted to enspell things to death you'd be upgrading Excalibur, not Mandau.

I seem to remember having this conversation with you already

Also, I think Redness wants a relic because all of his friends seem to be getting one. Even me. =P

While not being the sole purpose for wanting a relic at all, it's true that, basically all of my friends are upgrading relics right now. That includes you, and gtfo my Macha's coat.

You weren't trolling, he was being defensive and obtuse. A Mandau would 100% have got Avesta raped there, so it's not terribly relevant.

You made me look up a word, rock on. What a good word too. Yes a Mandau would have got avesta pwned in about 2 minutes there. If you couldn't tell by the name of the link I was being quite sarcastic about the whole thing. Again, like 2AM, no sleep in 20 hours, etc.

Mmm, he's rather full of himself considering last I checked he's not even capped on magey AH gear.. anyone can tell themselves they'll grind despot and zip for 9 months to get a melee rdm toy, but actually doing it and continuing to sell gems without killing market is a different matter.

You're talking about like elemental grips? Because I refuse to go snap pictures all day and solo for 2-3 hours on these dumb ZNMs? Yeah I'm not capped. Otherwise I am only a few R/ex pieces away from being capped. And I've been doing sky triggers for years (literally) and that's far from the only way I have of making money.

AJ isn't a bad option for evisceration. Thats what I used to go with anyway, back when I was into the whole melee RDM thing.

It's been considered seeing as I already have one.

How to suck less as a melee: Know your foe.

Find out as much about these four stats it has, as you can, Vit, Agi, Def, Eva.

It's Vit is important because if you can't get your Str higher than that, you will suffer a penalty on your weapon damage, conversely, the higher your Str gets compared to its Vit, the more base damage you add on.

It's Def is a bit less important if you're relying on enspells/poison/etc, because where Str vs Vit gives the lowest and highest numbers you will hit for, Att vs Def tells you where you will wind up between them generally.

Agi effects your Critical hit rates, this matters for Evisceration quite a bit, you want just enough Accuracy to land your hits, and as much Dex as you can get since it's not only a WS modifier (which adds the given % of that stat to your weapons damage, with a bit of level base conversion), but it Dex vs Agi determines your crit rates.

Eva is related to Agi, and is simplest to get, if it's too evasive, you ain't hittin shit, and everything I just said flies right out the window.

If you want more technical breakdowns, just ask, but I must say I'm curious what Mandau would enhance with a higher level solo enough to make it worth it, but I'm not big on questioning relic choices, been rooting Izzy on since I found out he was upgrading.

Wow someone said something useful for once! Appreciate this post, and a couple others so far a lot, thanks!

Therin: The regen would be completely useless for me, and I was under the impression that the added effect proc'd less and less frequently the higher the level of the mob, which in my case would leave me better off with the dagger.

Belkin: I'm gonna play with it. I'm not sure if you guys have noticed this in like the last 1-2 years, but this is a video game that we all play for each our own reasons. A relic is a toy, this game is a toy. I don't need an awesome reason for making my choice, no one is helping me do this besides my close friends, my girlfriend, and my linkshell who will get me the fragment and attestation if and when the time comes.

Until I finish the dagger (that is, if the Murgleis turns out to be a piece of shit and I do continue with Mandau) I will use a Blau Dolch. This game is +1, anyone on these forums should know that. I just happen to be +1'ing the job I like the most, and not the one people think would benefit themselves or others the most. My $14.95/month etc.

Oh and this just in since he posted while I typed the rest of that:

If the OP really has 100mil to do this, and has some practical purpose for it in mind (soloing Ts/VTs? meriting? killing spiders in Kuftal Tunnel?), then why not go do it and report the results?

The OP does not have 100mil. But I have time, and dedication. Anyone who's ever self funded a relic will tell you it didn't happen over night. Though yeah, I wanna go fuck up some spiders in Kuftal, sounds fun. (There's spiders in kuftal? Man all I ever saw was crabs and a really pissed off Wyvern every now and then.)

Take care BG.

[ssjjfar]

I'm also wondering why did you choose mandau over excalibur? Epecialy if your planning on just using evisceration. Its your choice and all, but what was reason for it? You saying Mandua is better over Blau which other people suggesting, but for same reason wouldn't excalibur be better the mandua for you? Just wondering its your gil your decision obviously.

[Redness]

I'm also wondering why did you choose mandau over excalibur? Epecialy if your planning on just using evisceration. Its your choice and all, but what was reason for it? You saying Mandua is better over Blau which other people suggesting, but for same reason wouldn't excalibur be better the mandua for you? Just wondering its your gil your decision obviously.

I put those 2 links in the OP for a reason. All you need to do is read the first post of the "Mandau Questions" thread and you would have found your answer.

Thanks.

[Redness]

Odd, there were two more posts in this thread (one by me), where'd they go? O.o;