Tier 1-4 ZNMs Discussion

[Priran]

why would you even bother with Reacton in the first place

[ronin sparthos]

why would you even bother with Reacton in the first place

Cause some people want to enhance their "Mijin Gakure" damage. Duh.

[Ruiner]

Wasn't my pop, but I guess they figured since we were already at Dextrose it couldn't hurt. That, and I guess someone wanted to play around with the Mijin Arm.

[Zilong]

A note on Reaction: not sure if this has happened to anyone else or not, but a few nights ago, when my linkshell killed Reaction, he Self-Destructed, killing all of our front-line DDs and our tank, and dropped nothing. Not even the r/e seal item. Not only is this a waste of zeni, but Reaction is by far the worst ZNM to get to, and it took us a long ass time to get there in the first place, let alone fight it. We called a GM, but he said it was designed to happen, and that if a DoT killed the mob with no one on the hate list, it could drop nothing. Now, of course, this explanation is retarded, because 1) the Self-Destruct killed the mob, not a DoT, and 2) all of the mages who were not hit by the Self-Destruct and had casted on the mob (including me) were still alive. But I digress.

Has this happened to anyone else with this mob before?

Well, if the last person to touch the mob died in the said explosion, it would die yellow since there is a momentary delay between it using the self destruct and falling to the ground.

Best advice I can give you for reacton is to barfira and have full HP post 30% or so.

When we did it, we got full drops *3 and only 1-2 person died on the explosions.

[anathema]

did nuhn again, this time no melees on it and just manaburning it down in the apkallu area. it did go into leeching current/vile belch mode (even with eye lamps still on) but after a couple nukes, it stopped. my theory is that the two modes may be specific %-based and that my group's first run unfortunately wiped during this mode around 50-60%, so it got stuck there even after full regen.

maybe if we had gotten it below 50% and wiped, it would've been stuck in melee/gnash mode. :\

so, just a precaution for anyone doing nuhn, try your hardest not to wipe in leeching current mode :D

[pchan]

Vulpangue :

did it blm+rdm+brd+thf(TH4)

Pull it at the zone east of the ??? Have the rdm/nin paralyze/slow/blind it and the brd use march. BLM nuke > zone and the rdm keeps it outside. Bind lands ~10 times before resisting. It has not much HP, the BLM had to rest once and then finished it.

[rog]

armed gears soro rdm/nin

took 3 hours 45 mins. kiting around the 4 teleporters. used poison+bio2 (bio did 0 dmg). no nukes. used a single cure4 at 24%, and then 3 cure1s and a regen before about 20%, then never casted again, i assume it ran out of mp?

http://i289.photobucket.com/albums/l...dgearssoro.jpg

damn thing couldn't just drop those feet that i coulda sold for 1m ; ;

[Kaylia]

How did you lot on the item?

Anyway, grats. Must have been a fun fight solo D: not sure I would want to do it that way tho. Do you have any idea how long it took before it ran out of mp?

[rog]

there were other people in the pt when i killed it, as i was going to sell the drops (no point in just /tossing them).

it ran out of mp around 20%, so... 3:45 *.8 = about 3 hours. it's much easier when it spams it's tier3 nukes, or enfeebles though.

[Ratatapa]

is the salt key item Permanant or temporary

exemple i do 2 hydra today. do i need to get 2 key item? (before and after first hydra)


or if i do hydra my key item is good for ever (for hydra of course)

[Therin]

is the salt key item Permanant or temporary

exemple i do 2 hydra today. do i need to get 2 key item? (before and after first hydra)


or if i do hydra my key item is good for ever (for hydra of course)

You need the salt to access the island. Everyone who accesses the island must purchase a salt. Once you've gone to the island, you lose your salt. You could pop an infinite number of Hydras while you're there with only one salt, but as soon as you leave, you have to buy another to get back on it.

If YOU want to pop two hydras, you'll need two salts, as you'd have to go back to Whitegate to get your second pop set and therefore lose your first salt.

[Ratatapa]

ok thx

[Xajii]

jesus christ did you really set your game font to Comic Sans MS?

[Kaslo]

btw don't remember this ever being mentioned but I noticed some behavior from Cheesy Gigiroon.

It seems when he only drops one bomb (and you don't set it off?) he will run right back shortly there after (40'?). This started to get annoying cause I was wanting to rest for MP and he kept coming back shortly thereafter.

Also, I have noticed there is about 5 binds on Dea to get it back to the Whitegate Tower. Once before the treants by the ruins, after the colibri tunnel, at the start of the tunnel to Marids/Colibri (before the 2 tigers there), start of the tunnel from Marids to Marborls, end of tunnel to Marborls. Then when you should be able to have no aggro the rest of the way. You may still want to grav tho as he does run at wlegs speed if no turns.

[rog]

jesus christ did you really set your game font to Comic Sans MS?

no, you're imagining that.

[Kimkytaru]

Hello, just a quick question, I'm going for Hachiryu Haidate and I wanted to know if any of the Tier I and Tier II NM for sarameya path can be solo with a rdm without Wlegs ?

If yes any tips/strat would be welcome.

Thank you.

[Mojo]

Brass Borer can easily be soloed by a RDM. Gravity procs and it's a Wamouracampa so it walks super slow anyways. Anantaboga can also probably be done solo without crimson cuisses. You can land Bind as well as Gravity(although it will eventually resist) and it stops often to cast songs. Pull it to the south part of the island to avoid getting aggro from other Dahaks and such.

[Kaylia]

Updated the second post with cerb info if anyone still cares.

[Drex]

Just wanted to back up some of mojo's info from another post somewhere about t4 cerb. We didn't notice any stun resistance build up over the fight, however he is immune to stun between roars. What will happen is, occasionally during the fight (every 3 mins or so I'd guess, didn't time it), he will howl => ululation => firaga 3 => magma hoplon => howl. During that sequence, he is immune to stun. Under 25%, firaga 3 is replaced by gates, so if you have the melee run away when he howls, they can be out of range for GoH (since you can't stun it). Still need a stun order for the regular, unhowled gates of course. It's actually kind of nice, cause after firaga III/gates you know he's not going to do anything for 5 seconds or so - plenty of time to cure up and unparalyze the tanks.

Also, he was immune to slow when we fought him. Ele seal slow 2 got resisted multiple times. Para required ele seal to land reliably. Dunno about elegy but he's probably immune to that too. Dispel got resisted occasionally, but rarely (25% sounds high, but that's BLM and I was on RDM so idk, was closer to 5-10% for me).

He casts Flare II, Firaga III, Firaga II, Fire IV, Blaze Spikes and Burn. Blaze Spikes give him 1%/3sec regen, which is quite a lot, so dispel it very quickly. That applies to Magma Hoplon, too. I strongly recommend a rdm/nin tank if you can swing it, 'cause near the end of our fights, dispel was causing hate problems due to the sheer amount of casting it we needed, and a rdm/nin spamming dispel anyway would knock that out.

His en-poison is 50/tick. That's about all I can think of.

[Kaylia]

Oh yeah, forgot about en-poison. Gonna fix other info as well and add the weapon skill sequence.


As for slow, are you sure it was resisted? I asked to people in linkshell earlier and they said it landed? Might be wrong tho.

Last comment, is it possible that dispel is reseted when he is immune stun? That would explain why some of them were resisted.