Tier 1-4 ZNMs Discussion

[Thorny]

I've done Vulpangue enough times to know that I don't like him. I'd rather have a PLD/NIN for safety. PLD/NIN BRD RDM/WHM should have no problem with it. The chance that a nin will get one-shotted is very high, and I've seen it use multiple TP attacks in a row (ala Despot) which literally floors a nin.

Things like 6 SMN burning it works well. Me and a friend trio it RDM/NINx2 and BRD as well. Not so difficult.

If it's using multiple tp moves you're nuking it with the element of the day, I've solo/duo/trioed this at least a dozen times now and have never seen anything remotely resembling regain or double tp.

[Demonlord]

Just posting to say you definitely didn't kill Redolent in five minutes, if nothing else because he uses fucking Benediction. I can see it being straight tanked, but five minutes is just plain wrong

Not the same group and I doubt this happened but... we had one fight where he glitched out. We were kiting him around the tower, I threw a nuke and ran around to the other side waiting for him to catch up. He eventually just glitched out stood there letting us all beat on him. It would have been funny if it was a trap to get us all into groundburst range. No benediction that fight.

confirming this (was there). @ about 35%, possibly lower, he ceased up and sat there just sponging up the dmg from everyone. took no actions at all until it died, and was in blm form with his staff

[Danielb]

Vulpangue's Obsfucate also seemed to take 2 of my shadows on Blue Mage.
Barrier Tusk is the name of the move that boosts Iriz Ima's DEF and M.DEF
Dea is a Wivre, not a Marid

Just curious, but are the shadows lost dependant on your evasion at that time, like other mob aoes?

[Drakka]

Baraera works..at least i'm fairly certain it does. I've noticed a pretty substantial difference when its up vs when its not when eating wind shear. And i'm talking i have no shadows up at all. Usually cuts the damage down to 3-550 range when its above 25%. Below that, 800, max i've eaten was 1250 when he was at around 10% i think? Been a few days im not certain on the details. It's never one shotted me though.

I will vouch for the MNK/NIN x2 + RDM + WHM combo. ( I am the other monk that fights this with Guitarman). It might seem crazy at first but its really an easy fight this way. The only time we've had any added issues is when we toss in even one more melee *(thf for a sata mercystroke+TH4). Perhaps though, I probably wouldn't suggest grabbing any two mnks you see and going. Guitarman and I have the advangate of co-mnk-tanking many mobs and we play well together due to time, practice, blah blah blah.

As for Baraera, Ive never died to a Vulpange windshear in one shot and im a taru, but since i dont remember us ever having the bar-spell off when we get hit, I wouldn't be able to gauge the difference in damage. Regardless its easy to keep up shadows when its above 20%ish and then when it gets there and becomes spam happy it's still not bad if you limit the TP from melee strikes (face away from mob and switch off taning duty). Hope this helps some for those that dont have multiple blm at their disposal and/or want to try it melee style.

Also average fight time is maybe a little more than 5 minutes I'd guess as most times I can reuse dodge/focus, but not able to use chi blast 3 times (pennance helps us some I'm sure).

[Kaylia]

I will vouch for the MNK/NIN x2 + RDM + WHM combo. ( I am the other monk that fights this with Guitarman). It might seem crazy at first but its really an easy fight this way. The only time we've had any added issues is when we toss in even one more melee *(thf for a sata mercystroke+TH4). Perhaps though, I probably wouldn't suggest grabbing any two mnks you see and going. Guitarman and I have the advangate of co-mnk-tanking many mobs and we play well together due to time, practice, blah blah blah.

I can believe this because mnk/nin with penance give very little tp, can guard/dodge/parry the ws, deal good damage and got a ton of hp.

However, people need to understand the danger of giving it too much tp with a many people around, especially job with no subtle blow. It's not that it cant be killed by a bunch of melee, we did it fine the first 2 kills...it's just that it wasnt pretty and involved some xp lost from more than half of the team.

In other news, I added Tinnin info. fought it earlier with 11 and it was a joke..kinda. It did wipe us first time, but it was totally avoidable.

[Mrdude]

I'm sure it was posted in that 94 page pandemonium thread but I don't exactly have the time to read through it all. What kind of alliance would you suggest for Hydra? I seen you mention it was easy to solo tank and such, but what did you bring mainly for damage, blms, smns? Also, if you don't mind, what setup did you use?

Mainly wondering because I have a Hydra pop just waiting on points, and wanted to take it out sometime in the near future.s

Edit: I'm sorry, I'm dumb, missed where you said about the skill chain and the blms, guess thats why I shouldn't browse forums at 1 am. I am curious about how many blms you brought though.

[Lordwafik]

Hydra is slow and elegyable, he's not super hard to tank, but he does auto TP and uses TP moves from what I saw in sets of however many heads he has up. Elegy sticks fine, no need to bard/blm for it, as for slow2, he seemed like Proto Omega for me in regards to landing it, slightly easier though.

Hmmmmm what else , melees weren't as good as blms were for him (we had more blm draw ins than anything the whole night).

[Judai]

Info on Hydra fight here. viewtopic.php?f=24&t=35420

Our BRD said Elegy did NOT land, he stopped trying after several resists though(and he is a pwn BRD who doesn't care about gear too much, lol). He was easy for me to Solo Tank PLD/NIN with no Melee on him, other then for SCs. I don't think he has TP Regen, unless it is very weak, he almost never used TP Moves until right after our SAMs jumped on to SC for the BLMs. He does use TP in sets though, sometimes he would use all his TP moves, one right after another, other times just Bulwark>Nerve.

Like Kay listed, as long as you have a rotation for Cursna>Poisona>Cure4/5 right after Nerve, he is very easy. BLMs and MBS wrecked him.

[Kaylia]

Didnt see this thread, had nice info in it.

[Kaylia]

I'm sure it was posted in that 94 page pandemonium thread but I don't exactly have the time to read through it all. What kind of alliance would you suggest for Hydra? I seen you mention it was easy to solo tank and such, but what did you bring mainly for damage, blms, smns? Also, if you don't mind, what setup did you use?

Mainly wondering because I have a Hydra pop just waiting on points, and wanted to take it out sometime in the near future.s

Edit: I'm sorry, I'm dumb, missed where you said about the skill chain and the blms, guess thats why I shouldn't browse forums at 1 am. I am curious about how many blms you brought though.

The first post should have everything, but our setup was:
-pld rdm rdm whm whm brd
-sam sam thf blm blm

It took us around 25 minutes to kill. I'm pretty sure we could kill faster having 1 (or 2) melee full time, but we played it safely this time. Skillchain were nice, but far from needed, thief didnt melee at all, and we could have killed fine with 1 blm and 1 whm.

Pld/nin, Rdm/whm, Brd/blm, whm/sch, blm/whm and a 6th healer could probably kill it under 1 hour without much trouble. Maybe you could push it even lower with relic and all, but a 6men setup should probably be able to kill.

he almost never used TP Moves until right after our SAMs jumped on to SC for the BLMs

Or when it was beating the crap out of you when slow was down.

[Mazmaz]

"Throw more BLMs at it."

That's depressing, did we really need more of this in the game

[Judai]

"Throw more BLMs at it."

That's depressing, did we really need more of this in the game

Considering most of the game turned into, TPburn/Zerg, it's not a big deal. Besides, Hydra is the only BLM friendly one for T4s.

[Kaylia]

"Throw more BLMs at it."

That's depressing, did we really need more of this in the game

People are meleeing everything for 2 years now. Not saying BLM had no jobs, but there was barely any "throw more blm" strategy in the last 2 years.

BLM always shine in lowman event, and it's the case here. It's the same in sea kinda, except you need a tank this time.

[Zilong]

Might wanna put the part where Khromasoul turns into a fucking destroyer of the god damned world from 20% > 0

We thought we were in the clear when he stopped spawning those hammersmith, god were we wrong.

We haven't seen that many death on ZNM until that...

Make sure you have the firepower to zerg the last 10-20%, or it will end up pretty horribly.

[Conker]

"Throw more BLMs at it."

That's depressing, did we really need more of this in the game

Q_Q

[Judai]

Might wanna put the part where Khromasoul turns into a fucking destroyer of the god damned world from 20% > 0

We thought we were in the clear when he stopped spawning those hammersmith, god were we wrong.

We haven't seen that many death on ZNM until that...

Make sure you have the firepower to zerg the last 10-20%, or it will end up pretty horribly.

Uh, it was a joke for us. I don't think it even hit me from 20%-0 other then Overthrows, PLD/NIN. Thing is a joke to tank and we killed slow since THF+2BLM was our damage.

What did it do? The adds were a joke too, had one RDM diaga them and zone, they swiped a couple shadows off me but nothing major. The Hammersmiths never even touched me. I don't recall him hitting any faster, he has no good TP moves, he might have spammed Overthrow a couple times iirc but it barely hurt me.

[Kaylia]

Might wanna put the part where Khromasoul turns into a fucking destroyer of the god damned world from 20% > 0

We thought we were in the clear when he stopped spawning those hammersmith, god were we wrong.

We haven't seen that many death on ZNM until that...

Make sure you have the firepower to zerg the last 10-20%, or it will end up pretty horribly.

What do you mean? We zerged 40->20% to stop the summoning, then rested full and had no problem last 20%. We used a single tank and no other tp was given to him (maybe thief, dunno?). Can you explain what made it worse, I havent noticed a difference when we fought it (had 7-8 ppl). I will add more info to the first post if needed D:

[Zilong]

On our fight at around 11% or so, it somehow got TP regain and would just spam like 3x overthrows in a row or the rock smash and just decimated our group of 9 for a good ~15 mins before we managed to kill him.

Though we did break his Jadagna though, so that might've caused him to enter rage mode.

If it was the case, then I gues I won't recommend throwin melee at him as crit is the trigger for destroying weapons.

[Mojo]

Might wanna put the part where Khromasoul turns into a fucking destroyer of the god damned world from 20% > 0

We thought we were in the clear when he stopped spawning those hammersmith, god were we wrong.

We haven't seen that many death on ZNM until that...

Make sure you have the firepower to zerg the last 10-20%, or it will end up pretty horribly.

Uh, it was a joke for us. I don't think it even hit me from 20%-0 other then Overthrows, PLD/NIN. Thing is a joke to tank and we killed slow since THF+2BLM was our damage.

What did it do? The adds were a joke too, had one RDM diaga them and zone, they swiped a couple shadows off me but nothing major. The Hammersmiths never even touched me. I don't recall him hitting any faster, he has no good TP moves, he might have spammed Overthrow a couple times iirc but it barely hurt me.

I'm almost 100% certain that it will cease to call adds(any that are up depop) and just spam Overthrow when it hits 20%. Those Overthrows have a tendency to hulksmash(seriously 1 hit death) any non PLD unless they have a respectable amount of HP. It's definitely worth noting, a small group without a PLD can have trouble here.

[Kaylia]

Yeah, I dont think we broke his weapon, that could explain the difference. I think I remember it using 3x overthrow at some point, but it wasn't a spam, and I think it was above 20%.