PETA Says: Don't Play With Your Food

[zoobernut]

A good way to understand this is that humans can live completely off vegetables without ever eating any meat (not saying this is necessary or people should do this) however humans cannot live completely 100% off meat otherwise you get scurvy and your teeth fall out among other major health issues.

[Khamsin]

Well, here's a series of questions for you guys:

Are humans natural? Are we considered part of nature, or are our actions somehow beyond nature? If so, how did we escape nature? Is it possible for other animals to escape nature of their own accord, without human influence?

Is the evolution of man, our diet, our habitat, our society... is it all natural and parallel to the rest of the animals on the planet? Or is it somehow removed from the rest of the world, and considered an external influence? Weren't we born here, evolved alongside everything else? How or when did we go from being a natural inhabitant of this world to being a foreign intruder? Or is it merely on account of a lack of respect for our cohabitants that these views surface?

Personally, my belief is that everything is natural, and we cannot escape it. While a certain harmony and balance with the world will be the best for us in the long run, that does not necessarily mean that we have to respect the rest of the world to be considered natural within it. We are nature just as much as any other animal, vegetable, or mineral. Even if we build weapons of war and blow the whole place to bits, the bombs we build are no less natural than beaver dams or otters using rocks to open shellfish. We evolved naturally, and every detail of our society right down to the latest celebrity fashions is all part of nature.

[archibaldcrane]

I'm just wondering what the actual basis is to say that meat should be secondary to our diet. How do you know that vegetables shouldn't be secondary, only to fill in the missing nutrients we don't get from a main diet of meat?

Meat...provides calories via protein and fat, and um...a little bit of iron?

Yeah...we need fruits, vegetables, grains and such to meet our body's nutritional requirements. No amount of meat will get you vitamins, but meat can be replaced nutritionally by non-meats.

edit: beaten like 20 times.

[Correction]

Well, here's a series of questions for you guys:

Are humans natural?

We have largely removed ourselves from the driving forces of evolution, and make decisions that transcend merely propagating the species. It's hard to think of any of that as 'natural' when so little of what else exists in the universe so far resembles what humans have done for themselves. If you put the spiritual perspective on things you can rationalize it all as natural but that's a redefinition and therefore in the minority of opinion.

Humans aren't natural.

[XxfaustxX]

Well, here's a series of questions for you guys:

Are humans natural? Are we considered part of nature, or are our actions somehow beyond nature? If so, how did we escape nature? Is it possible for other animals to escape nature of their own accord, without human influence?

Is the evolution of man, our diet, our habitat, our society... is it all natural and parallel to the rest of the animals on the planet? Or is it somehow removed from the rest of the world, and considered an external influence? Weren't we born here, evolved alongside everything else? How or when did we go from being a natural inhabitant of this world to being a foreign intruder? Or is it merely on account of a lack of respect for our cohabitants that these views surface?

Personally, my belief is that everything is natural, and we cannot escape it. While a certain harmony and balance with the world will be the best for us in the long run, that does not necessarily mean that we have to respect the rest of the world to be considered natural within it. We are nature just as much as any other animal, vegetable, or mineral. Even if we build weapons of war and blow the whole place to bits, the bombs we build are no less natural than beaver dams or otters using rocks to open shellfish. We evolved naturally, and every detail of our society right down to the latest celebrity fashions is all part of nature.

yeah I don't see where the line is drawn either. I mean bombs don't grow on trees, but everything they are made of came from nature. I think most people think we are above nature so anything we make is unnatural or something. How does a lion respect nature any more or less than we do, it kills other animals just like us, humans are just lazy and sloppy and don't find more efficient ways to do things, so we waste alot. Then again lions only eat what they need and leave the rest for nature to take care, thus how vultures make a living.

[Kuya]

Well, here's a series of questions for you guys:

Are humans natural? Are we considered part of nature, or are our actions somehow beyond nature? If so, how did we escape nature? Is it possible for other animals to escape nature of their own accord, without human influence?

Is the evolution of man, our diet, our habitat, our society... is it all natural and parallel to the rest of the animals on the planet? Or is it somehow removed from the rest of the world, and considered an external influence? Weren't we born here, evolved alongside everything else? How or when did we go from being a natural inhabitant of this world to being a foreign intruder? Or is it merely on account of a lack of respect for our cohabitants that these views surface?

Personally, my belief is that everything is natural, and we cannot escape it. While a certain harmony and balance with the world will be the best for us in the long run, that does not necessarily mean that we have to respect the rest of the world to be considered natural within it. We are nature just as much as any other animal, vegetable, or mineral. Even if we build weapons of war and blow the whole place to bits, the bombs we build are no less natural than beaver dams or otters using rocks to open shellfish. We evolved naturally, and every detail of our society right down to the latest celebrity fashions is all part of nature.

I don't know what you're getting at... I'm sure that others would agree that the problem exists within beliefs that assert us as superior to all other beings which leads to needlessly destructive behaviour that doesn't really help anyone.

[Khamsin]

Well, here's a series of questions for you guys:

Are humans natural? Are we considered part of nature, or are our actions somehow beyond nature? If so, how did we escape nature? Is it possible for other animals to escape nature of their own accord, without human influence?

Is the evolution of man, our diet, our habitat, our society... is it all natural and parallel to the rest of the animals on the planet? Or is it somehow removed from the rest of the world, and considered an external influence? Weren't we born here, evolved alongside everything else? How or when did we go from being a natural inhabitant of this world to being a foreign intruder? Or is it merely on account of a lack of respect for our cohabitants that these views surface?

Personally, my belief is that everything is natural, and we cannot escape it. While a certain harmony and balance with the world will be the best for us in the long run, that does not necessarily mean that we have to respect the rest of the world to be considered natural within it. We are nature just as much as any other animal, vegetable, or mineral. Even if we build weapons of war and blow the whole place to bits, the bombs we build are no less natural than beaver dams or otters using rocks to open shellfish. We evolved naturally, and every detail of our society right down to the latest celebrity fashions is all part of nature.

I don't know what you're getting at... I'm sure that others would agree that the problem exists within beliefs that assert us as superior to all other beings which leads to needlessly destructive behaviour that doesn't really help anyone.

Not really getting at anything in particular, but was just curious because I seem to get different vibes from people about whether they think we're a natural part of the world or not. We came from the same primordial ooze as everything else, so I don't know how we're any less natural than animals that don't work in cubicles and design circuitry and machinery to do their work for them. Beavers can build dams and monkeys can use sticks and rocks to good effect. We just take it to another level.

From single celled organism to nuclear warhead with GPS satellite network and targetting system, it's all a result of biochemical reactions over billions of years.

[Alleya]

What justifies speciesism more than racism or sexism?

The pure deliciousness.

I was going to cook a pizza tonight, but now I think I'm going to go out and order a nice mid rare steak with some shrimp, mashed potatoes with bacon bits and cheese, some chicken soup, and as many other meat products I can stuff in my mouth. And I'm going to do it because of your post. Your post has killed at least 3 animals (plus probably 4 shrimp).

You'll always find sickos who will justify the torture or other abuse of animals.

They love it.

I hope there is a special place in hell for those kinds of people, and that they get there soon!

Again, your vegetarian diet kills more animals (insects) than my diet ever will.

[Furtwangler]

What justifies speciesism more than racism or sexism?

The pure deliciousness.

I was going to cook a pizza tonight, but now I think I'm going to go out and order a nice mid rare steak with some shrimp, mashed potatoes with bacon bits and cheese, some chicken soup, and as many other meat products I can stuff in my mouth. And I'm going to do it because of your post. Your post has killed at least 3 animals (plus probably 4 shrimp).

You'll always find sickos who will justify the torture or other abuse of animals.

They love it.

I hope there is a special place in hell for those kinds of people, and that they get there soon!

Again, your vegetarian diet kills more animals (insects) than my diet ever will.

This is all copypaste from that link btw <.< I love meat just as much as the next person haha

[Beckwin]

What justifies speciesism more than racism or sexism?

The pure deliciousness.

I was going to cook a pizza tonight, but now I think I'm going to go out and order a nice mid rare steak with some shrimp, mashed potatoes with bacon bits and cheese, some chicken soup, and as many other meat products I can stuff in my mouth. And I'm going to do it because of your post. Your post has killed at least 3 animals (plus probably 4 shrimp).

You'll always find sickos who will justify the torture or other abuse of animals.

They love it.

I hope there is a special place in hell for those kinds of people, and that they get there soon!

Again, your vegetarian diet kills more animals (insects) than my diet ever will.

what does the meat you eat feed on before slaughter?

I'm not anti-meat, but think things through.

[zoobernut]

Awww you shouldn't have said anything for a little bit longer that was funny. Those comments at the bottom are very strange.

[Gregorio]

What justifies speciesism more than racism or sexism?

The pure deliciousness.

I was going to cook a pizza tonight, but now I think I'm going to go out and order a nice mid rare steak with some shrimp, mashed potatoes with bacon bits and cheese, some chicken soup, and as many other meat products I can stuff in my mouth. And I'm going to do it because of your post. Your post has killed at least 3 animals (plus probably 4 shrimp).

You'll always find sickos who will justify the torture or other abuse of animals.

They love it.

I hope there is a special place in hell for those kinds of people, and that they get there soon!

Again, your vegetarian diet kills more animals (insects) than my diet ever will.

what does the meat you eat feed on before slaughter?

I'm not anti-meat, but think things through.

The difference is that the people who eat meat aren't on moral high horses trying to "stop the suffering".

[Beckwin]

[quote=Gregorio]

What justifies speciesism more than racism or sexism?

The pure deliciousness.

I was going to cook a pizza tonight, but now I think I'm going to go out and order a nice mid rare steak with some shrimp, mashed potatoes with bacon bits and cheese, some chicken soup, and as many other meat products I can stuff in my mouth. And I'm going to do it because of your post. Your post has killed at least 3 animals (plus probably 4 shrimp).

You'll always find sickos who will justify the torture or other abuse of animals.

They love it.

I hope there is a special place in hell for those kinds of people, and that they get there soon!

Again, your vegetarian diet kills more animals (insects) than my diet ever will.

what does the meat you eat feed on before slaughter?

I'm not anti-meat, but think things through.

The difference is that the people who eat meat aren't on moral high horses trying to "stop the suffering".[/quote:2xaltko3]


bzzt wrong. livestock that we eat is almost exclusively herbivore, so they're eating harvested vegetables/grains (so the killing the insects thing is built right in to eating meat). Of course I don't really care about that, but it is interesting on an energy and sustainability level- it's a hell of a lot more efficient to eat veggies.

[Kuya]

Ok, I won't tell you whether or not you can eat animals, or own guns, or drive an SUV, or smoke, etc., just as long as you don't tell me whether or not I can rape women, or murder innocent people, etc.

Well, the reason you would be completely justified in telling me not to do those things is precisely because they violate others' rights. They are not victimless crimes.

So, once we overcome the attitude that all of the other species were put here for our use, our slavery and torture of other animals is not a victimless crime, either, any more than the slavery and torture of other humans.

And if by "humans are carnivores" you mean we evolved to be able to eat other animals, that is possible, but lots of things that we evolved to be able to do are also unethical, like holding racial prejudices, and sexual aggression to the point of rape, which has a clear biological basis.

Check out the film "Earthlings," which you can Google.

MEAT.ORG

[Khamsin]

bzzt wrong. livestock that we eat is almost exclusively herbivore, so they're eating harvested vegetables/grains (so the killing the insects thing is built right in to eating meat). Of course I don't really care about that, but it is interesting on an energy and sustainability level- it's a hell of a lot more efficient to eat veggies.

The difference is that YOU aren't the one killing the insects and eating them. It's the cow's fault those poor insects and all those plants were consumed. If anything, you eating the cow is just punishment for it's murderous spree.

You don't absorb the responsibilities and blame of whatever your meal left behind when it died. You're only responsible for consuming the link in the chain immediately beneath you, no deeper.

[Gregorio]

what does the meat you eat feed on before slaughter?

I'm not anti-meat, but think things through.

The difference is that the people who eat meat aren't on moral high horses trying to "stop the suffering".

bzzt wrong. livestock that we eat is almost exclusively herbivore, so they're eating harvested vegetables/grains (so the killing the insects thing is built right in to eating meat). Of course I don't really care about that, but it is interesting on an energy and sustainability level- it's a hell of a lot more efficient to eat veggies.

Wrong about what? I don't think you understand what I'm saying. I know insects are also being killed through the whole process of getting me a hamburger (I never denied that)...but the difference between a bitchy vegitarian and us meateaters is that I'm not complaining that innocent creatures are dieing. The vegetarians are complaining, but they won't admit that their diet is just as bad because it too kills millions of insects/animals.

Edit: screwed up the quotes...not going to try to fix them heh

[Demosthenes]

i don't mean to derail, but after the PETA rage, this is the best thread ever. I keep loling.

[Bartylby]

when humans lose their front teeth (which are specifically made for tearing meat from bone mind you) i'll stick to veggies and fruits, and until then people need to back the fuck up out of my face with the self-righteousness and stop telling me how to lead my life and focus on fixing your attention whore mindset. no one cares you only eat fruits and vegetables, no one but you.

[XxfaustxX]

stop telling me how to lead my life and focus on fixing your attention whore mindset. no one cares you only eat fruits and vegetables, no one but you.

This is the correct answer. I hate people who are like "yeah I'm ttly a vegetarian, like me love me love me imgreat" when people say that to me I either say "I'm sorry" or "Sucks for you". Something stupid like that. Rawrrrrrr says me.

*edit* people like that anger me if you couldn't tell.

[fantasticdan]

I don't care about people eating lobster, but I don't understand why anyone would want to play a claw machine game with them? That seems kind of perverse to me.