Alexandrites

[Wizerd]

Don't forget the "occasionally attack twice". It has the potential to be much better than any relic. But yeah..the requirement is lol'able right now

You'd think so... until you come across the post in another thread, where Relic Weapon aftermath effects don't overwrite the old effect now. Assuming the same is the case for the new mythic weapons, the occasionally attacks twice might be largely useless for TP gain and only a DOT thing. (Especially if attacks twice is PART of the aftermath)

[Almalexia]

A single cotton purse produces more alexandrite than an ENTIRE ZONE pre-patch; this is a remarkable improvement. The 30,000 quote is more than I'd like, but then so is everything about this quest. I'll probably be able to get the gems together at the same time as the other parts, though, if the pouches are as bountiful as they appear!

[Ahlah]

It's really not too bad, just more incentive to kill the megaboss. If a salvage group consistently obtains ~100 alexandrite/run and do 5 runs/week. It will take 60 weeks to obtain 30k Alexandrite for one member to upgrade mythic weapon. Chances are a lot of salvage group swill go for alexandrites when possible and sell their stones to fund upgrade. So you can speed up the process by purchasing extra alexandrites.

[Kaylia]

You'd think so... until you come across the post in another thread, where Relic Weapon aftermath effects don't overwrite the old effect now. Assuming the same is the case for the new mythic weapons, the occasionally attacks twice might be largely useless for TP gain and only a DOT thing. (Especially if attacks twice is PART of the aftermath)

I'm not exactly sure to understand what you're saying. Even if the aftermath not overwriting itself isn't a glitch, you would still be left with a "+atk/+acc/double attack" most of the time. Sure, it might wear off right after a ws at time (can you click it off?), it would still be decent damage and will help you build tp toward your next ws. In the end, even a 10-15% double attack would still be better than most relic.

[Kaylia]

It's really not too bad, just more incentive to kill the megaboss. If a salvage group consistently obtains ~100 alexandrite/run and do 5 runs/week. It will take 60 weeks to obtain 30k Alexandrite for one member to upgrade mythic weapon. Chances are a lot of salvage group swill go for alexandrites when possible and sell their stones to fund upgrade. So you can speed up the process by purchasing extra alexandrites.

How many people per group want to upgrade? Most competant group have more than 1 person who want to upgrade, and defaulting everything to a single upgrade is fucking gay. I would feel bad to get 200m worth of alexendrite from my group, and I don't really want to wait 3-4 years before seeing my relic either.

Sure, you could always buy most of them, but with all other requirement, it's still lame.

[Arthars]

thats so wrong kaylia.....
the DA need you to use their respective sucky WS ;\
i'll stick to blade jin with kikoku tbh and catastrophe for apoc

maybe GAXE is good upgrade tho

but for now mystic is 100% harder to get compared to 17000 currencies and, in overall, better

vajra or mandau for me, thats the question lol
maybe make horn for wife's brd and prolly cheaper than alex +_+

[rithridan]

I doubt Alexandrites will stay at 10k each or even 5k each. If people can get 100 Alexandrites on average (assuming boss drop is 100%) as opposed to 10 Alexandrites on average then I think its not that unlikely to see Alexandrites drop down to 2k-3k, since you would still get roughly 200k-300k if you sell all 100 of them and it would 'only' take 60m-90m to get all 30.000 which is way more acceptable.

My group basicly have been selling all alexandrites we get then splitting the profits each month and still only get around 30k each (only picking people with more then 65% attendance that month for a split). We would only get about 50 alexandrites in a month time going 3 times a week, more considering we get enough people for 2 groups more often then not. None of us are able to meet all requirements needed to complete a nyzul relic. They either don't do Einherjar or Nyzul and only a few are in HNMls able to get all required titles. So selling and splitting the gil is the fairest solution in my opinion. I'm not surprised if there are more groups like that so there will be plenty of Alexandrites on the market.

[Velecic]

As per alma's request, here's how our salvage runs went tonight :

http://i67.photobucket.com/albums/h3...exandrites.jpg

1st Run : Bhaflau Remnants, did 1F rampart full - 5 Gate Widows, 5 Pouches, 1 Macha's Cuffs
The Pouches used by Slammy are all from Gate Widow, min:6 max:18

2nd Run : Zhaylom Remnants, did 5F + 6F Frog + cleared 6F Machinery
The Pouches used by Velecic are from the 6F & 5F Frog respectively, min:9 max:19

my guess is they range 5-20 or so, but will need more examples to be sure. Seem to be very high droprate from NMs that drop 35 pieces. We got none off the other poroggo nms in zhaylom (2F cell duplication and 3FS frog) and every NM that can drop a 35 piece dropped a pouch for us (all with TH4). It's actually kind of frustrating, because you kill the NM (like say 5F Frog) and see the treasure box and go "oh yay treasure box we got a drop!" but it's just some gems ; ; Anyways, got 97 total gems from doing 35 farming in 2 zones, no boss in either and we messed up in bhaf (were planning on doing 4F rampart but a death & tractor-lock screwed us over with 15mins left) so that's a pretty huge increase (of course you can get more / less depending if you do bosses / have good or bad luck with NMs). I think the total cost should be lowered to 10,000 Alexandrite personally.

[Miraun]

Isn't the Alexandrite requirement on par with the dynamis currency requirement? While yes, the dynamis currency requirement is lower at 17,900 versus 30,000. You're restricted to dynamis twice a week, compared to a daily Salvage run. I'm not going to bother looking up actual currency drop rates, but I'll say you can get 500 per week. If you're doing salvage daily, specifically farming for alexandrites (Both dynamis and salvage specifically for farming, as northlands won't drop that kind of currency), you can get about 150 per run, or 900 per week (we'll assume 6 runs). This is nearly double the amount of alexs compared to one pieces. Actually, lets dock that to 800 per week for conservatism. Even 800 per week is a 60% increase in # of single piece drops over dynamis.

Entertainingly, (using one pieces as the base) You require 67.5% more alexandrites than one-pieces. So in terms of time to upgrade, they are comparable on this requirement alone.

Yes, I know there is also the Nyzul/Einherjar components, I'm not getting into that.

These weapons were NOT meant so that everyone can just go out and upgrade them. They're meant to be high tier, difficult to obtain, pain in the ass items to get. I'm GLAD to see so many people are backing off of the bandwagon to upgrade now, that's the way it should be. Not everyone can upgrade a relic just because they want to. Not everyone should be able to upgrade a mythic just because they want to. Gotta dedicate yourself more to it!

[Ahlah]

My group enters salvage 5 days/week and none of us wants to upgrade mythic weapon (yet). Ppl who post on BG are those who actively play this game. Tbh there are a lot of small salvage groups that don't have access to Einherjar/Nyzul Isle assault.

Unlike dynamis, there is no way you can farm sufficient number of currencies with 6 ppl and still come out with profit; whereas Salvage can be cleared by 6 experienced players on daily basis.

I have been doing salvage for almost a year and the only reason I am still doing it is to get other members salvage gear. With the new update, I can at least start thinking of upgrading a mythic weapon. In 1-year time I am sure a lot of ppl will cap salvage drop and they will be doing salvage purely for Alexandrites only to upgrade weapon or to sell for profit.

[SamanosukeShiva]

I'm excited about the nyzul relic, it's definitely doable and unlike rotz relics it doesnt require a whole lot of ppl (except for the title part)

In my salvage team, ppl can either pick a 35 piece or alex per zone, if more than 1 ppl @alex, can just split the alex like limbus. considering i'm almost done with salvage gears, wont be too hard to get the alexandrite ;D

the real challenge is organizing the schedule between nyzul assaults / assault points for salvage. but it's pretty easy nonetheless

[Loziel]

Feasable in a reasonable-ish amount of time if every member of your group wants to sacrifice all Alexandrite for 1 persons Mythic over an extended period of time...... not going to happen and its impossible to sponser Salvage. I think this is gonna suck still

[Therin]

The drop rates are fantastic and it's everything I could've asked for.

The 30,000 requirement, on the other hand, is still a bit too high (10,000 would be acceptable).

Oh well, I'm going for upgrading anyway.

[Reapz]

5-10k sounds more reasonable

[Kaylia]

thats so wrong kaylia.....
the DA need you to use their respective sucky WS ;\
i'll stick to blade jin with kikoku tbh and catastrophe for apoc

maybe GAXE is good upgrade tho

but for now mystic is 100% harder to get compared to 17000 currencies and, in overall, better

vajra or mandau for me, thats the question lol
maybe make horn for wife's brd and prolly cheaper than alex +_+

I didnt test every ws, but none of the one I've seen stand out as horrible so far beside nin, especially if you can link them with someone else ws to create light/darkness or tier2 SC.

I still don't think none of those will parse lower than current weapon, unless the double attack is less then 15% (if you try to keep the buff up as often as you can)

I doubt Alexandrites will stay at 10k each or even 5k each. If people can get 100 Alexandrites on average (assuming boss drop is 100%) as opposed to 10 Alexandrites on average then I think its not that unlikely to see Alexandrites drop down to 2k-3k, since you would still get roughly 200k-300k if you sell all 100 of them and it would 'only' take 60m-90m to get all 30.000 which is way more acceptable.

Problem is that you can turn in those. While some people wont have the requirement, I'm sure a ton will be wasted in uncomplete relic.


I agree about selling and splitting being the best solution...well, I would rather get the split first, then we all sell the alex on our own, but w/e.

[Wizerd]

I still don't think none of those will parse lower than current weapon, unless the double attack is less then 15% (if you try to keep the buff up as often as you can)

Well, you can disregard what I said before, since SE posted that the aftermath IS supposed to overwrite and they are fixing it in a couple hours. With that in mind, these weapons could be very nice. However, I think the THF one will still pale in comparison to Mandau, so I'm glad I'm upgrading Mandau.

[Judai]

Some Relic WS suck ass as well(lolFinal Heaven). So far the 2 new WS I have seen were pretty hot and we don't even know the mods and shit yet.(SAM+WAR) NIN WS is for Solo/Tanking, not damage. NINs need to get over it, we have a freaken pwn 3hit Crit WS with great mods.

The 30k is bullshit though.

and they listed that the Aftermath was glitched and is being fixed atm, which was listed above my post as well.

[Byrd]

The thing I really don't like is that 30k Alexandrite is still 303 stacks; some form of being able to turn Alexandrite into 100 or 1000 pieces would be greatly appreciated. As is, you're going to have to make the commitment and start turning in Alexandrite far earlier than a Dynamis relic, when you don't really have to commit until you get your Attestation in the glacier. If an LS wants to sponsor an upgrade, they are going to have to place a lot of faith in someone to permanently trade in towards their weapon (and not change their mind). If nothing changes, I predict a lot of Alexandrite theft in the future when people at 28,000/30,000 quit and leave the LS.

[frodnonnag]

303 stacks is about one open mule, 75 safe (-5 for storage furniture), 80 storage, 70 inventory, 80 locker.

on an unopen mule, we are looking at 30 inventory, 45 safe, 80 storage, so about 2 mules.

sounds almost reasonable, but you are paying $1-2 a month extra to store some fuckin' rocks.

[Kaylia]

Double skadi legs and nothing else from mega >_> I thought it was 100% dammit.