Get off my neighbors lawn (or why I live in TX)

[Beckwin]

I seriously think you missed 99% of what my post was saying

My post wasn't about the crime or the seriousness of the crime being performed but rather the fact that the majority of people in America would be to concerned about getting in trouble trying to hinder the criminals than actually step in and say STOP.

Oh I got what you're trying to say, but using this asshole as an example/platform for Good Samaritanism/common heroism is fucking piss-poor, which is what my response entailed. Gunning down -in fact, murdering- thieves who weren't an immediate physical threat to anyone is MILES away from not being a stander-by during a rape or beating, or helping someone who collapsed.

[Rhinox]

And you know for a fact they cant? I'm serious here I wanna know. Is it a defense lawyer only thing that can request out of state venue changes? if thats the case who prosecutes those cases? the DA from the Original State or the DA from the state its move too.

Edit: well fuck now you messed me up I said change of Venue period in my OP. Said nothing about Out of state Venue change until you drew that conclusion the very next post. and crossed me up my bad.

[Tyche]

I'm trying to find something around a city like kansas city that spans 2 states. Can they plug jurors from both states? I'd assume the counties are separate and a change of venue typically means you are changing counties. It isn't really a change of venue you want, but a change of juror locality. That's all that really matters. You could import a jury of new yorkers to texas and they'll see the case much differently than a jury from there in texas, even if the law of texas had to be adhered to, I'd imagine a far liberal jury would have seen it differently. As i said, I don't think it's possible.

[Kuya]

This is such a dead end argument. It is apparent that what he did is legal, even though i think it shouldn't be, and people who have Machiavelli's point of view on crime will certainly agree with this and there's nothing that will make them change their minds. I just find it ridiculous that it's legal for someone to use deadly force for something less than immediate danger or at the very least a murder when i'm sure most people don't agree with executing thieves.

Anyway, grats Texas.

[Kuya]

OH NO THAT LAST POST I MADE DOESN'T REALLY EXIST

[Feedmenow]

Something that I didn't see and have a question about: were the people actually running when he said "Stop or I'll shoot you"? Judging from the gun wounds being on their backs I'd guess not. Maybe the reason he gave such a short wait time was instead of them actually stopping, they tried to bolt?

[Tyche]

In other news, what the fuck just happened to the forums. I'm getting lost.

[MarkM.]

WTF is happening with the forums.


But another cool thing about living in Texas (Fort Worth) is if someone has a pair of wire cutters in their pocket, you can shoot them and kill them. This is a law dating back to the big cattle days (1800's) that never got repealed.

[Beckwin]

http://cw33.trb.com/news/kdaf-062608...0,486476.story

A new Texas law requires every computer repair technician to obtain a private investigator's license. Violators can face a $4,000 fine and one year in jail, as well as a $10,000 civil penalty.

Unlicensed computer shops will have to close down until they obtain a private investigator's license.

A private investigator's license can be obtained by acquiring a criminal justice degree or by getting a three-year apprenticeship under a licensed private investigator.

The new law also impacts consumers. Consumers who knowingly take computers to an unlicensed company for repair can face the same penalties.

GG texas, can we just sell this piece of shit backwards-justice state to mexico or something?

[Effluo]

GG texas, can we just sell this piece of shit backwards-justice state to mexico or something?

This is taken out of context, and people who don't quite understand it are panicing over it. That story is so full of BS it's sickening. That intern needs to be taught to do proper research on a subject before printing a story like that... Once again, journalism at its finest -.-

Computer repair technicians do not require to be a licensed Investigation Company, or PI. The new legislation applies only to Computer Forensic Technicians. This was essentially a bunch of PIs who got together and lobbied the State Senate, because they thought it unfair Forensic Investigators were getting to do a job your average PI has absolutely no knowledge about and taking their business.

The Forensics company I work for just had to go through this. We spent quite a bit of time on the phone with the Private Security Board (which governs all the PI licenses) and talking with lawyers about our options. My boss has been a certified Forensic Examiner for years, but we had to shut down for 2 months while we got everything in order. They ninjad this legislation into law. It was talked about, but they did not let anyone know it had indeed been passed. Their reasoning behind this new legislation; because Forensic examiners have access to data not generally available to the public.

Many states have enacted legislation similiar to this, but to be perfectly honest, not one person has been fined or jailed because they do not have said license. The only forensic case that has had any real problems due to this was the Lacy Peterson case. The original forensic examiner who looked at emails etc was not licensed, and when questioned about it in court, he removed himself from the case. He was never fined or jailed...

So no, Computer Repair Techs DO NOT require to be licensed PIs. Forensic Techs do.

1702.104. INVESTIGATIONS COMPANY.
(a) A person acts as an investigations company for the purposes of this chapter if the person:
(1) engages in the business of obtaining or furnishing, or accepts employment to obtain or furnish, information related to:
(A) crime or wrongs done or threatened against a state or the United States;
(B) the identity, habits, business, occupation, knowledge, efficiency, loyalty, movement, location, affiliations, associations, transactions, acts, reputation, or character
of a person;
(C) the location, disposition, or recovery of lost or stolen property; or
(D) the cause or responsibility for a fire, libel, loss, accident, damage, or injury to a person or to property;
(2) engages in the business of securing, or accepts employment to secure, evidence for use before a court, board, officer, or investigating committee;
(3) engages in the business of securing, or accepts employment to secure, the electronic tracking of the location of an individual or motor vehicle other than for criminal
justice purposes by or on behalf of a governmental entity; or
(4) engages in the business of protecting, or accepts employment to protect, an individual from bodily harm through the use of a personal protection officer.
(b) For purposes of Subsection (a)(1), obtaining or furnishing information includes information obtained or furnished through the review and analysis of, and the investigation into the content of, computer-based data not available to the public.

[Cochise]

Godfucking dammit, no no no no no no.

1- did not have consent of neighbors to protect their property. this is required by Castle Doctrine
2- ignored directions from 911 dispatcher to stay in side. the 911 dispatcher said this 9 times
3- shot the men in the back as they were fleeing
4- flat out told the 911 dispatcher that he was going to kill the men
5- there was a plainclothes officer on the scene when the man was firing his shotgun
6- Horn instigated the violence by leaving the house and confronting the two men. This also violates Castle Doctrine.


On top of it all?

Suspects were black. Big fucking surprise the fucker is a hero and walks free in his Texas hometown.

Subject were not black... they were illegal aliens from Columbia that were deported previously for armed robbery and drug trafficking.

Good riddance.

[Correction]

I'm so very grateful for the 'rate thread' feature now present on the boards. I really am.

[Tyche]

The thread peaked last night, then after we found out most of it would be lost, we killed it spam style. Thread deserves to lay in rest now.

[Rhinox]

Subject were not black... they were illegal aliens from Columbia that were deported previously for armed robbery and drug trafficking.

Good riddance.

If you knew anything you would know that just because they are from Columbia does not mean they are not Black.

Being Black isnt limited to Africa and the english speaking world.

[Cochise]

If you knew anything you would know that just because they are from Columbia does not mean they are not Black.

Being Black isnt limited to Africa and the english speaking world.

I was referring to the context of the quote to which i replied moron.... I didn't say what color they were, just where they were from.... Black is a description of african americans in the US.

[Norellicus]

Black is a color which can be used to describe people by their skin tones. It doesn't matter where you're from.

Edit: lol @ tags

[Dolmen]

Hernando Riascos Torres, 38, and Diego Ortiz, 30, were unemployed illegal immigrants from Colombia.

So, they're illegal in this country and run around robbing a citizen in a state where everyone has a gun. Yeah, they're quite intelligent specimens...

Should Horn have killed them? Who knows. If they were coming into his yard then open fire as he didn't know if they were carrying. Personally I would have shot their knees out so when they're deported they'd have a really hard time making it back to the states.

[Khamsin]

If you knew anything you would know that just because they are from Columbia does not mean they are not Black.

Being Black isnt limited to Africa and the english speaking world.

I took it more as him emphasizing what really mattered.

illegal aliens from Columbia that were deported previously for armed robbery and drug trafficking

Although even then, I'm not sure being illegal immigrants even mattered. Only the fact that they were breaking into someone's house and were dangerous individuals with a violent criminal past. Were they just minding their own business and not in the act of committing a crime, all would have been well. Nobody would hurt them just because of their skin color, or their criminal past, or illegal status. This isn't a vigilante, here. But catch them in the act, and some people are liable to respond harshly in order to stop a crime in progress. Hunt them down the next day, and then you have a vigilante on your hands.

What color their skin was had no relevance. I'm sure there are racists in Texas, but you have to ask yourself... would Horn have let the two men get away if they were white? Or would he see them breaking into his neighbor's house and offer them a beer and a hand?

The problem is, I'm sure there ARE some racially motivated cases out there, but I see people playing the racism card EVERY time a non-white commits a crime and suffers the consequences. The police beat him because he was black, someone shot him because he was black, he was pulled over because he was black, he was convicted because he was black... the sad thing is, its hard to tell when it's a valid concern and when its not. But I'm a little sick of the knee-jerk racism response everytime something like this happens. It's not always racism, people. A man commits a crime and isn't treated like a delicate flower with the utmost respect and political correctness, and sometimes, he just happens to be black.

[Rhinox]

I was referring to the context of the quote to which i replied moron.... I didn't say what color they were, just where they were from.... Black is a description of african americans in the US.

And I was responding to your sheer stupidity if you believe that Black is just a Description of African Americans in the US.


I'm Sure his first thought was "Fucking illegal Immigrants robbing my Neighbor's house!"
Or hell even "Thieves Just broke into xxxx's house. I must act according to the law!"

because theres no chance in hell it could've been "Fucking Niggers are robbing the Neighbor's house. Hey Mah, wheres ma shotgun."

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Kham- You would be naive to believe or rule out completely that race played zero part into this. I asked myself your question and I honestly believe he wouldnt have fired that gun if they were white. But arguing over that fact is pointless because we will never know.

The problem is, I'm sure there ARE some racially motivated cases out there, but I see people playing the racism card EVERY time a non-white commits a crime and suffers the consequences. The police beat him because he was black, someone shot him because he was black, he was pulled over because he was black, he was convicted because he was black... the sad thing is, its hard to tell when it's a valid concern and when its not. But I'm a little sick of the knee-jerk racism response everytime something like this happens. It's not always racism, people. A man commits a crime and isn't treated like a delicate flower with the utmost respect and political correctness, and sometimes, he just happens to be black.

while I would agree in most cases the race card is played alot and even wrongly played at times that does not mean racism doesn't factor in any of those cases especially in texas(not saying you said that). But shit we're barely even 3 generations away from people not being able to sit at the same diner as whites and people think racism and bigotry is gonna simply disappear like it never happened or that if we dont bring it up or mention that it might still exist no one will get hurt? Its ignoring the giant pink fucking elephant in the room. I lived in Texas I grew up in predominately white neighborhoods which are not necessary the rich ones btw and you would be surprised the shit I had to endure from even friends who would make "playful jabs" at me because of the nationality of my parents. They thought it was acceptable because they had a Spic friend. This was at 11 years old. Tell me where do 11 year olds learn Racial jokes? Barney? Pokeman? Power Rangers? so while in public its PI to talk about it I can assure you in private it still thrives whether its Making jokes or the locking of doors when you go into the black neighborhoods to the clinging of purses tighter whenever a black guy passes her which admittedly my own mother use to and still does that shit is ingrained in peoples minds. but back on topic: the guy won the lottery and got away with murder.

[Khamsin]

Not saying to discount racism entirely, just that I get tired of seeing it brought up every time a non-white person commits a crime. There's no indication that Horn was racist, other than he was a fat old Texan with a shotgun. Maybe through profiling people jump to the conclusion that he is a likely candidate for racism, but there was never any sign that race was a factor.

He started the phone call by reporting burglars breaking into a house next door, and never even mentions their race until the dispatcher asks. When he describes them, he refers to them simply as black, and goes on to describe the color of shirt and jeans one of them was wearing. He didn't seem to linger on race, or call them niggers, or start the phone call with "Two black guys are breaking in next door." Aside from the description when the dispatcher specifically asked for their race, Horn never mentioned it again. He made no disparaging remarks. He just seemed nervous, and shocked that this was happening right next door.

Given the nervousness and stress apparent in his voice, I doubt he carefully worded his 911 call, either. If he really wanted to just kill him some negros, he could have just skipped the 911 call and taken his shotgun outside the moment he was them break into the house.

Also, the dispatcher said: "You're gonna get yourself shot if you go outside the house," so Horn had every reason to believe his life was in danger when the two men approached him in his yard. Despite being shot in the back, there's no reason to believe this didn't happen, given that he shouted it rather nervously on the phone that they came toward him in his yard, and the location of the body backs it up.

The dispatcher also tells him to put his gun down because he's concerned about the undercover police offers (which were likely white, but we don't know for sure). He didn't want him accidentally shooting them. So at least the dispatcher doesn't think Horn would only shoot black people.

So let me ask: what gave people the idea that Horn might be racist? The fact that he's a fat old Texan with a shotgun?