BALLISTA needs to be fixed!

[ronin sparthos]

Are you even reading what you're saying?

ITS BALANCED MAN, ALL YOU NEED IS 17 DD's, POISON-POTS, AND A PHALANX OF STUNNERS!

Perhaps you dont understand how ballista works, YOU USE A TEAM TO KILL THINGS you cant kill by yourself. Stop trying to solo shit and perhaps you'll get somewhere.

A RDM is a monster to take on solo, that much is certain. Once you plan for a RDM (2 DD, 2 targets or multiple targets all focusing on confusing/spooking said RDM is one, harassing said RDM with attacks and running, finale/dispel spooking etc) the game quickly turns into how long it takes before the RDM pussies out and runs away.

There is no need for a nerf, perhaps the playerbase needs to stop crying nerf and actually plan for those jobs that arent so easy to dismantle. The RDM has a disadvantage of sucking at damage output and being poor at spike damage output with the advantage of being a superior harasser, amazing survivability and supporter.

Stop making it seem like every Ballista RDM is the same - while one can be a pain to kill, the next can very well be a bandwagon RDM who does nothing but treat a player like an EXP mob and makes for amazing gate breech fodder.

PVP is never balanced, you can prepare and work strategies to incapacitate a player or simply annoy them long enough to select softer targets to gate breech off.

[Indalecia]

My WHM/PLD would fuck your world up.

[jiang]

My WHM/PLD would fuck your world up.

no it wouldnt.

[jiang]

I personally like RDM in ballista, they make it "interesting". I would also love to see them do the server battles again, but as far as Ballista as a whole, it could use for fine tuning. I like the gear specific idea but fuck the gimping jobs bullshit I've seen that first hand with WoW also.

you realizes that sleep2 lasting for 90 seconds and paralyze procing 80% of the time pretty much makes any melee class worthless right?


you guys dont understand the difference between a spur of the moment diorama and an actual tourney style ballista. diorama will consist of mainly melees and the mage or 2.. people will go into diorama to have a good time, and all it takes is one red mage to completely upset the balance, LOL ILL SLEEP, GRAV, SILENCE, BIND EVERYONE AND RUN AWAY TEEHEE and theres nothing you can do about it. no amount of 'teamwork' by a brigade of melees can dispatch of a red mage unless you quarry 50 times and hope for a lethe water+1 (if theyre smart theyll have many more than 5 buffs). the point isnt to make it so that a monk can fight a red mage in 1v1, but make it POSSIBLE to even hope to kill them..

in a tourney style ballista, this is completely different. which im too lazy to talk about.

[Meian]

You guys are fucking retarded if you think RDM doesn't need to be nerfed.

Either play ballista and see for yourself or stop talking.

One class shouldn't require 2-3 EXTREMELY CAPABLE melee to take down. Period. End of Story.

The only reason why PLD/RDM isn't overpowered is because they still take 3 years, 7 months, and 14 days days to kill anything.

Edit:

Are you even reading what you're saying?

ITS BALANCED MAN, ALL YOU NEED IS 17 DD's, POISON-POTS, AND A PHALANX OF STUNNERS!

lol ^-- this won thread

I am still thinking about that King/Queen style though mm I may actually suggest that to SE


Edit: Don't discredit WHM especially Winjas, jiang (and your wall of text burns my eyes)

[BlackMoomba]

Not gonna lie, if it's a Pld or Rdm, I usually just avoid them in ballista. They're annoying as shit and just a bitch to kill. But they still have to know what they're doing. You guys are acting as like any random person can learn how to play ballista. If your new, your gonna get your ass raped by a vetran. I wish a new royal would come out, wasn't high enough lvl / didn't have my ballista friends that I do now. Here's to hoping

[jiang]

anyway, job balances are honestly not very important. i forget who said it, but incentive is important. players should want to go to ballista!

[jiang]

Not gonna lie, if it's a Pld or Rdm, I usually just avoid them in ballista. They're annoying as shit and just a bitch to kill. But they still have to know what they're doing. You guys are acting as like any random person can learn how to play ballista. If your new, your gonna get your ass raped by a vetran. I wish a new royal would come out, wasn't high enough lvl / didn't have my ballista friends that I do now. Here's to hoping

no we're not. shitty players die in ballista.

[Meian]

Forgot to mention...
I hate how you can change bolts but not be penalized... seriously wth?? Blind/Sleep/Blood/(whatever damage one).

Seen cocky THFs who think they are godly because they can abuse this

[DancingEdge]

Ok first of all, Meian, THF has strong points, and weak points.

Anything with an AOE can fuck thf's shit up pretty bad in short order.

The bolt you forgot is venom.
Stop QQ'ing because you're on the side of the fence that THF is strong against.





Also, Ballista is, was, and always will be dumb, until SE fixes the shit where you go untargetable when you EQ swap, and makes EQ swaps only last like 1 frame.

I hope I'm not the first to point out that this flawed and shitty programming is the reason you get penalized for EQ swaps in ballista.

Sorry, but EQ swapping is a huge part of FFXI, to take it away for the only PVP we have is just retarded.

[Mizango]

You guys are fucking retarded

Oh the irony! C'mon now Deejay, we've had this "not everyone that disagrees with you is a retard" pissing contest countless times lol. Do we all REALLY want to go there again? I think not.

[jiang]

Oh the irony! C'mon now Deejay, we've had this "not everyone that disagrees with you is a retard" pissing contest countless times lol. Do we all REALLY want to go there again? I think not.

i hate your avatar.

[Dohorehn]

I just realized how retarded some of the arguments that have been brought up. "there hasn't been balance since the mario brothers games" wtf? seriously? are you a fucking idiot? there's a difference between ever so slightly adding a drop of sand to the scale with characters having differences like mario vs luigi in mario galaxy, and FUCKING BROKEN like MAGNETO IN MARVEL VS CAPCOM 2. ok? of course we will never attain "true balance", ballista would be boring as fuck then. what we are proposing is to level the playing field more. this game WAS NOT designed for pvp in mind, it was designed for pve. melee classes were designed to gain tp and do weaponskills. mage classes were designed to weaken enemies and do burst damage. these distinctions do not work for pvp because no one is going to stand still and let someone do a skill chain on you. this game was not built for PVP, and never will be. but who's to say we can't make it fun for EVERYONE? "go on another job if your current one sucks at pvp" see, that's just retarded. you should be able to provide something for the team no matter what job youre on.

you're crazy dude. I certainly hope I'm not a "fucking idiot" for making a joke, albeit probably wasn't all that funny... but it was an attempt nonetheless lol (damn these new forums, how do you bold lines?)

something to say about RDM: someone mentioned that it shouldn't take 2-3 capable melee to take down a RDM. Not every RDM plays like a god. in fact, there are some seriously retarded RDMs out there. they're difficult, but not invincible. but yes it will take 2-3 capable melee to kill a *capable* RDM, sadly. I can think of a scenario where a war and a blu could double team a RDM quite nicely. If I'm on blu, i have my own techniques for dealing rdms but I shall keep them to myself, lest I be flamed for blasphemy.

I feel this slowly turning into the classic, who can kill who type thread :/

[Mizango]

i hate your avatar.

Q.Q Pram rocks.

[Deejay]

You're an idiot, he never said it was balanced. Poison Pots are not even an option to not have in ballista, or most end game events. You're probably one of those people that doesn't eat food for exp parties either....

Ballista is a team effort, going in and "dueling" 1v1 is just that, a duel between 2 people to test each other. In a real ballista match 2-3 man squads consisting of 2 dds and support (be it melee DDs, or magic users), will house any single job, period.

Last time I checked FFXI was a socially oriented game, heavily dependant on grouping. If you want solo pvp, or any kind of real fight experience where things are even remotely balanced, go play a first person shooter.

What the fuck are you even getting at. I'm not referring to duels', that's what closed Diorama is for. I'll say this again, and I'll say it slowly.

One.
Class.
Should.
Not.
REQUIRE.
Three.
People.
To.
Kill.

You don't -need- 3 DD's to take down a MNK, RNG, SMN, COR, BLM, (non-pimp) WHM, THF, etc etc.

However, RDM's and their enfeebles are one thing, but their stone cold defense is another. You can't melee them effectively due to phalanx/ice-spikes.

Ballista and all forms of PvP in FFXI isn't about who can kill who quicker, it's about who can effectively cripple the opposing teams attacks whilst still being able to dish out their own. It's why people favor defensive sub-jobs over offensive ones.

The only exception to this was DRK/SAM until they nerfed WS damage.

RDM's are basically untouchable without dispel/silence, and even then it's gay having to spam one spell 5-6 times just to be able to START working on cutting down their HP. And even then they still have cures.....

Edit:

Ronin's post started to make a little more sense.

Ronin, I see where you're coming from with your post.... but you're forgetting that any decent RDM won't be running around by himself. All he has to do is carry a couple MNKs' in his posse and you're shit out of luck. You can't kill the healer because his defense is impenetrable and you can't kill his DD's because he'll just cure them.

If you don't think that's unbalanced and doesn't need to be fixed then I just don't know what else to say.

[jiang]

What the fuck are you even getting at. I'm not referring to duels', that's what closed Diorama is for. I'll say this again, and I'll say it slowly.

One.
Class.
Should.
Not.
REQUIRE.
Three.
People.
To.
Kill.

You don't -need- 3 DD's to take down a MNK, RNG, SMN, COR, BLM, (non-pimp) WHM, THF, etc etc.

However, RDM's and their enfeebles are one thing, but their stone cold defense is another. You can't melee them effectively due to phalanx/ice-spikes.

PvP in FFXI isn't about who can kill who quicker, it's about who can effectively cripple the opposing teams attacks whilst still being able to dish out their own. It's why people favor defensive sub-jobs over offensive ones.

The only exception to this was DRK/SAM until they nerfed WS damage.

RDM's are basically untouchable without dispel/silence, and even then it's gay having to spam one spell 5-6 times just to be able to START working on cutting down their HP. And even then they still have cures.....

indeed. i honestly dont think many of these people have even played ballista

[Kenji]

Okay, let's take away an RDM's spikes, cures, phalanx, gravity, enfeebles and all offensive power. That should make Deejay happy. Oh, and make RDM's auto-bind to their spot whenever he approaches.

[DancingEdge]

If what he describes is accurate, it's not a matter of taking it away it's a matter of balancing it for PVP.

[Kenji]

Except what he describes isn't accurate. Sure, he's describing a good pvper. And he's a bad pvper. So he wants to nerf people so he can kill them, without any skill.

[jiang]

Okay, let's take away an RDM's spikes, cures, phalanx, gravity, enfeebles and all offensive power. That should make Deejay happy. Oh, and make RDM's auto-bind to their spot whenever he approaches.

you are stupid

Except what he describes isn't accurate. Sure, he's describing a good pvper. And he's a bad pvper. So he wants to nerf people so he can kill them, without any skill.

you are SO stupid