So... Pandemonium.

[Noob]

Except the major LS's still camp Aspid, because they are too lazy/cheap to get Morrigan or Marduk bodies, Yinyang Robes, or Sorceror's Coats, etc. And they want to sell the egg, which isn't even worth the LS's time for 1mil, but they do it anyway.

Sure it's the last of the 3 kings to get attention, but it still gets attention which is sad. Stuck on old content is a very valid argument in certain cases, the above being one.

They still work on their Morrigan's and Marduk's but let's not forget the body you need doesn't always drop. Yinyang is an ok example to use. Sorcerer's Coat doesn't drop for some shells but once in a....never. It's like the guy who calls a PLD using Mbody gimped because he doesn't own AFv2. Totally stupid. Don't forget Dyna isn't always so blessing to some shells, regardless of how much you spam the same Dyna.

King equipment isn't outdated when the alternative comes down to a drop rate that can be a royal mind fuck for some people.

[Parzival]

At this stage of the game there's no one place where your job- regardless of what it is, I'm sure- is going to get all it's endgame gear. Kings still have their niche, Dynamis it's, Sky and Sea and Einherjar and Sandworm and Salvage and Assault and Limbus and so and so on all have their own great peices. So decrying ZNM because some of the equipment isn't good is retarded. All of the endgame activities have alot of chaff that is going to get discarded for the wheat. Why should ZNM be any different? Why should someone expect it to be different?

Sounds like whining just for the sake of whining to me.

[fantasticdan]

I bet they'll change the pop items for pande to 100% eventually, after ZNMs die down, and/or people complain enough, like sea. They probably just wanted to cockblock it to stop people from clearing all the content they added so soon.

[Lordender]

Only tier 4 isnt 100% drop and thats so people wouldnt QQ that they got to Pandy too fast.

Sounds retarded to me, they still havent learned from their sea mistakes. I bet most people will probably end up sitting on their pop until someone kills pandemonium just like people did with JoL before SE ninja nerfed that shit.

[Sho]

Sounds retarded to me, they still havent learned from their sea mistakes. I bet most people will probably end up sitting on their pop until someone kills pandemonium just like people did with JoL before SE ninja nerfed that shit.

Which would be a good idea, considering the hell you have to go through to obtain the Pandy pops. Let someone else take one for the team, I say.

[Maxxthepenguin]

Which would be a good idea, considering the hell you have to go through to obtain the Pandy pops. Let someone else take one for the team, I say.

Such a good idea that nothing will ever happen, yay!

Fuck you.

Seriously, fuck you.

[Judai]

They still work on their Morrigan's and Marduk's but let's not forget the body you need doesn't always drop. Yinyang is an ok example to use. Sorcerer's Coat doesn't drop for some shells but once in a....never. It's like the guy who calls a PLD using Mbody gimped because he doesn't own AFv2. Totally stupid. Don't forget Dyna isn't always so blessing to some shells, regardless of how much you spam the same Dyna.

King equipment isn't outdated when the alternative comes down to a drop rate that can be a royal mind fuck for some people.

because Kings drop the exact Abj/gear you need everytime, amright? Oh wait, they can be a total mindfuck as well, otherwise people wouldn't still be camping them.

btw, MBody is lol, idk why you keep mentioning it. Even AF+1 is better imo.

[Noob]

Love the response. Yes, they can and are very often a total mindfuck. However, it's showing up every day for the chance that keeps people going. Same reason you do Dyna or anything else over and over. It's for that possible chance. Only difference with kings is the botting. This argument is not about botting, it's about the statement you made about how old content is outdated when it's not. The newer alternatives are just as lucrative as the old. However, not going to kings and at least attempting to claim/hope for drop is only lessening your chances of obtaining whatever it is you desire to get from them is what I'm saying.

Camping kings every day is an every day chance at owning whatever item it is that you camp for. This is my point. It's an every day opportunity to own a very nice item. Chances vary depending on who is honestly trying to claim/amount of people botting/luck factor, but so do the chances of everything else in this game too. But saying the content brought by kings is outdated is incorrect. Ebody probably never will be outdated. Dring will always be a great item and have it's uses. Dalmy is a great piece, althought their are other alternatives, some better, some about the same. Mbody is in the same boat. It's still a great tanking piece. Not everyone will ever own AFv2 or Ares body. Some may play for years and never see AFv2 drop to them or the 3rd body piece for their Salvage body piece drop.

Everything has to do with luck. Bots do scew what's fair for kings but the chance is still there.

[Wizerd]

Ebody probably never will be outdated.

See, this is commonly said, and I don't wanna turn this into another E.body vs xxx argument, but E.body is very replacable now, for both jobs on it (I'm sorry, BST doesn't count).

A 2-hander can cap their accuracy on most things without it, and use Askar or Ares's for a 6-hitter setup or harder hits. DRK and WAR/SAM fall in this category.

A 1-hander (ie: WAR using sword/axes) has Hachiryu Haramaki now, which is better than E.body (there has been discussions, but considering Destroyers are so good just because of crit+). Admittedly, this is probably off Pandy and therefore will be hard to find (not to mention it's not even found yet). But even so, the piece is in the game and it's better than Adaman Hauberk.

E.body is still the easier wonderful option, and may be a better WS piece for certain weapon skills, but it's no reason to not do new content that has clearly better alternatives.

I won't argue Defending Ring or Ridill, since that'd be silly.

[Starr]

I'm still hoping the Campaign body armors will replace Zilart body abj, MBody is already replaceable but with a bit of HP, MDB and Enmity like the other pieces have there will be another, the mage body armor only has to have Refresh to replace Dalmatica really and the melee body would only need to be something like an Askar Korazin but with 15 attack and 10 Accuracy which IMO isn't over powered.

[Khrno]

If a AN armors end up being so good, specially the one you say would replace e.body, that pretty much would make obsolete Ares/Hachiryu/Aurum bodies all in once ;\

[Starr]

I'd already use Askar > Ares on WAR DRG DRK so that's already obsolete IMO, Aurum sucks anyway so ignore that and Hachiryu would still fucking own for MNK NIN and KC RNG. As for WAR Hachiryu would still be best for Dual Wielders and nice for RR still, maybe not from Campaign then but something that's actually killable and you have to earn it rather than waste hours in a pit for, I don't think it's overpowered still cus the DEX and Accuracy and 5 extra STR on EBody would still make it better for a lot of stuff.

[Sagacious Sundi]

I just got back to the game after a 1 month break. So the pop items are not 100% drop? while I can't say I'm surprized, because cop team made wotg as well, I'm surprized that they didn't learn from their mistakes.... after all they changed that in sea.... Why don't they just fire the moron who's in charge of this stuff?

You do realize this is ToAU content, right?

[Shassira]

See, this is commonly said, and I don't wanna turn this into another E.body vs xxx argument, but E.body is very replacable now, for both jobs on it (I'm sorry, BST doesn't count).

Where is the love?

[Therin]

Aurum sucks anyway so ignore that

. . . What?

Aurum Cuirass
[Body] All Races
DEF: 55 STR+8 DEX+8 VIT-8 AGI-8
Attack+15
"Store TP"+7
Lv. 72 WAR / PLD / DRK / BST / DRG

Uh, that's definitely the best TP piece for WAR/SAM, DRK, and DRG. I think you're on crack.

[ronin sparthos]

I won't argue Defending Ring or Ridill, since that'd be silly.

Why not? Ridill took a huge hit when 2handed weapons got buffed. It is still a great weapon but it is hardly the end-all it at once was and i consider that at the least a STEP away from kings.

Defending Ring? Again took a hit with the advent of the blink tanking and PLD/NIN becoming the norm. Is it good? Yes. Is it the end all that it once was? Hardly.

[Taruhealingwind]

You do realize this is ToAU content, right?

That was added along with a major update for wotg. I guess we can safely assume the same team worked on this whole update. Maybe i'm wrong though, and to answer your question, nope, when i did post this i had not yet realized it was toau content, because I had just gotten back to the game.

[Sagacious Sundi]

That was added along with a major update for wotg.

While it was an update in WotG's timeline, about half of the update was WotG stuff (Ixion, Doomvoid, Campaign changes, new ops, few new missions & quests) and ToAU stuff (this, Nyzul weapons, & Einherjar adjustments). I'd say that if the whole "RotZ/ToAU" team and "CoP/WotG" team stuff is still true, this update was probably split between the 2.

Even then, it's only the last tier that isn't 100% so it's still not quite the same as the jailers when they were first added. (But I guess that they can still be compared, since AV isn't 100%.)

[Liquidedust]

. . . What?

Aurum Cuirass
[Body] All Races
DEF: 55 STR+8 DEX+8 VIT-8 AGI-8
Attack+15
"Store TP"+7
Lv. 72 WAR / PLD / DRK / BST / DRG

Uh, that's definitely the best TP piece for WAR/SAM, DRK, and DRG. I think you're on crack.

For WAR and DRK I rather don a Haub+1 . . . ., this body is kinda meh (unless you're trying to build some weird 5hit build or something, 6hit is /SAM +7 STP on GAxe WAR).

For DRG uhmmm Ares or Askar before this as well (and Heca on WS)