Heru (Ifrit) - Warning!

[MikoMiko]

Heru transfered from Phoenix to Ifrit server after lotting a W.Legs, and leaving our LS with out a word to leadership, as well as after many members defended him against his "real life friend" who posted on our linkshell forums. He also got help from the LS to complete CoP, and recieved many other items from us over the time he was here. Here is the message posted on our forums from his "real life friend." :

"Hey im not here to apply im just letting you know that the character heru in ur ls is a fraud he switches servers on high occasion often times with many pop items. He is a friend of mine and left ifrit after we outted him. He told us he is sitting on half a set of kirin pops and waiting to get novio earring and salvage mitts before he switches again. You dont have to trust me but im just warning you. Sorry for wasting ur time if i did but just trying to help you not waste alot of hard work on someone who is going to throw it back in ur face."

Then a responce of a several year friend of his, Mirelle:

O_o! Lulwut... You're saying that Heru isn't the Heru I met 3 years ago? D: Heru was always on Ifrit, he's never been anywhere else till he moved to Phoenix.

Then another responce from his "real life friend." :

Yea he's a RL friend of mine and I thought I knew him too but he switched servers on his RL friends that played and just screwed us over. Drops his RL friends and stuff so he can play this game. Switches servers and with him yesterday heard him say he was thinking about getting full pop sets and switching servers and starting a new shell on a different server.

When asked if he was gonna switch back he said He wants Novio and Morrigan's Cuffs then he's gone. Would hate to see him waste your time to never see him again.

Don;t have to believe me but this is a warning.

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He also claimed that his real life friend "TheRealHeru" made a mule on Phoenix and was GM calling him and shouting in whitegate that Heru stole the account and didn't own it really. After many of us defended him, he jumped servers. However; since when does a level 1 mule made a few minutes before have access to Whitegate? This was a thought out and planned thing. He used something we have with our point system called an override. Basicly, he used every point he earned to have a priority lot over other members on W.Legs, the day after he told our leader that he had some real life stuff and was getting back in to real life things more. Then a week later we find out he jumped servers.

After an officer of our shell, Helm, talked to Heru in messages cross server; and Heru basicly said that he talked to our officers, and informed them he was leaving ahead of time; this how ever is not true. All of our officers can attest that he never mentioned this when he said he did, and mentiond it in a passing glance months ago but said never mind since then.

He also had another member in the LS buy items for him, and then jumped server without ever reimbursing him for them.

Watch out for him, friendship means nothing to him, and neither does loyalty.

[Deband]

Can you explain override? lols

[MikoMiko]

With our point system, someone can spend more points then normal for an item, so they "buy" priority to lot over someone else. This helps people who only want one thing, people who show up more and have more points, and it also helps to kill off point hording. Example:

Item1: Normal point cost, 20 points. Override point cost, 30 points + 30% of the players total points.

If I had 90 points, and I used an override lot, the normal lots would become void, and I would win, but I would spend 30 points + 30% of 90, which is 27, and it would cost me 57 points total.

What Heru did was spend 90 some points (about 45 early attendances to events, and about 50-60 late attendances. Heru usually showed up late because of his job, and after checking my excel sheet, this was all of his points for 80% of his time spent in our LS. He horded points saying he wanted Novio, then dropped them on W.Legs.) for W.Legs. Why would soemone spend that much if they weren't planning to jump servers? Especially when there was only 2 other members who wanted W.Legs, and we do 2-4 Kirin's every sunday for items for those who need them. Our drop rate has been pretty good on them too, averaging about 3 w.legs per 5 Kirins.

I hope this is clear, I can answer any other questions you might have.

[Deband]

That's complicated, made my head hurt :D

[DukeVedamDren]

Heru transfered from Phoenix to Ifrit server after lotting a W.Legs, and leaving our LS with out a word to leadership, as well as after many members defended him against his "real life friend" who posted on our linkshell forums. He also got help from the LS to complete CoP, and recieved many other items from us over the time he was here. Here is the message posted on our forums from his "real life friend." :



Then a responce of a several year friend of his, Mirelle:



Then another responce from his "real life friend." :



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He also claimed that his real life friend "TheRealHeru" made a mule on Phoenix and was GM calling him and shouting in whitegate that Heru stole the account and didn't own it really. After many of us defended him, he jumped servers. However; since when does a level 1 mule made a few minutes before have access to Whitegate? This was a thought out and planned thing. He used something we have with our point system called an override. Basicly, he used every point he earned to have a priority lot over other members on W.Legs, the day after he told our leader that he had some real life stuff and was getting back in to real life things more. Then a week later we find out he jumped servers.

After an officer of our shell, Helm, talked to Heru in messages cross server; and Heru basicly said that he talked to our officers, and informed them he was leaving ahead of time; this how ever is not true. All of our officers can attest that he never mentioned this when he said he did, and mentiond it in a passing glance months ago but said never mind since then.

He also had another member in the LS buy items for him, and then jumped server without ever reimbursing him for them.

Watch out for him, friendship means nothing to him, and neither does loyalty.

Ok first off I was the "Real life friend" who posted all that stuff on your forum. I am a RL friend of his and have been since we went to elementary school together.

Yea me and another of his RL friends were the ones that got him to change servers because, being his RL friends we have more influence over him than you do.

As for the Mule in WG, there was no mule in WG. The mule was made in Bastok and the shouts were in Bastok. Get your facts straight before telling everyone.

I don't see why you are warning people about him saying his friendship means nothing and whatever. His friendship is what made him change back to Ifrit. Did he steal anything from your LS aside from the money that he did not pay that person back?

He did not take any pop items, he gave them to the leader. I know for a fact he told some people in the LS he was leaving, maybe not the leadership, but people knew and nobody tried to stop him. Why should he stay there in that LS where nobody really cares if he stays.

I was at his house one night during a salvage run where the NM he needed an item from was completely skipped so you, Miko, could get some piece you needed.

As far as why he left, you have no idea. It was not to screw over your LS, it was not to betray you guys. His leaving was entirely due to personal reasons and RL stuff outside of the game. The GM call you are referring to had nothing to do with his account being "stolen" or anything like that. Like I said before get your facts straight, don't just post half-truths.

We posted that stuff on your forums because we wanted our friend back, he pissed us off that night so we posted that to try and mess with him. You have no idea what this game was doing to him, we got him to come back to Ifrit for reasons that have nothing to do with being dis-loyal.

I don't see why you are warning people about him, he did not steal from yall, he just chose to change servers. So he didn't inform the leadership, that's too bad, we were telling him to message Helm back telling him to fuck off, but he wouldn't.

Before you try to warn others about him realize that he did not want to switch, we have been trying to get him to switch back for months but he didn't want to. I guess he finally just gave in to us so before you try to destroy his reputation and call him dis-loyal, he defended you guys until the bitter end, he wanted to stay with yall, he wanted to help yall eventually kill Jailers and stuff like that, he was loyal right up util the day he switched, but in the end I guess our pressure on him got to him and he did finally switch.

So don't bash him. If you try to "ruin" someone do it to us, but that wouldn't do any good because we really don't care.

[Helm]

Judging by your actions I wouldn't call any of you very good friends of his at all. You say we don't know what this game did to him? Well if the game is the problem why would it matter if he was on Phoenix or Ifrit? Should we expect that someone who came and shouted about Heru being a fake and a liar somehow can make good choices for that very same person? We trusted him despite what you went around saying and trying to warn us of, though looking back we may be fools for doing so. Even though I wouldn't call him a thief, his actions were rather underhanded. He spent his points and left. Lied to the leadership about where he'd be under the guise of being busy in RL for the next week or so. He didn't tell any of his good friends that he'd be leaving either, which pissed me off most of all. Online or not, from what I can judge, his friends on phoenix were much more 'friends' than you pretend to be. However, Heru had decided to leave without warning, and in poor fashion, people who hadn't accused him of anything at all.

I honestly find responding to your idiocy rather difficult to swallow. Ultimately, you guys bugging him or not, he is responsible for his own choices. If you guys have the stones, why don't you post your names on Ifrit as well so people can be well aware of your methods.

[Brill Weave]

We posted that stuff on your forums because we wanted our friend back, he pissed us off that night so we posted that to try and mess with him.

So wait. Let me get this straight. You post all of this crap about your "friend" to mess with him. Then you get angry when people believe you? You should quit while you're ahead now. As a result of you wanting to mess with your friend, you've now pretty much crushed his reputation.

Way to think it through there Sherlock.

[DukeVedamDren]

Judging by your actions I wouldn't call any of you very good friends of his at all. You say we don't know what this game did to him? Well if the game is the problem why would it matter if he was on Phoenix or Ifrit? Should we expect that someone who came and shouted about Heru being a fake and a liar somehow can make good choices for that very same person? We trusted him despite what you went around saying and trying to warn us of, though looking back we may be fools for doing so. Even though I wouldn't call him a thief, his actions were rather underhanded. He spent his points and left. Lied to the leadership about where he'd be under the guise of being busy in RL for the next week or so. He didn't tell any of his good friends that he'd be leaving either, which pissed me off most of all. Online or not, from what I can judge, his friends on phoenix were much more 'friends' than you pretend to be. However, Heru had decided to leave without warning, and in poor fashion, people who hadn't accused him of anything at all.

I honestly find responding to your idiocy rather difficult to swallow. Ultimately, you guys bugging him or not, he is responsible for his own choices. If you guys have the stones, why don't you post your names on Ifrit as well so people can be well aware of your methods.

First off Hircine and Romulox.

Second, When you start bailing on your RL friends time and time again to do stuff with your LS and never hanging out with them and lying to them about stuff, I think it's time to re-evaluate your priorities. Like I said before the extent that this reached was mind-blowing. When he was on Phoenix he would come home from work and go to required events and stuff like that, often staying up late at night and always complaining of how tired he was. We were tired of it and decided to get him to come back to Ifrit where he could just chill at night and do things he actually wanted to do. This is exactly the reason I'm not in any endgame shell. I don't have the time right now, and with school coming up it would have just killed Heru IRL.

Say what you want about our methodology but this past week Heru IRL has been happier, been out more, hasn't played as much, and there has been a complete turn-around in his demeanor. Sure we fucked with him, and what we did worked out for the best.

his friends on phoenix were much more 'friends' than you pretend to be

I love how you can say this and only judge our friendship with him based on these events. We have done more for him than you guys could ever dream; and we posted and said that stuff to get him to come back, because as I said before this game was ruining his life and he was losing his friends. Call us bad friends all you want but all I know is that in the past few days he has actually gotten more done that he would have if he had stayed on Phoenix and is an overall happier person.

We have been friends for about 10 years now. I would think we know a little more about him, and what's best for him, than you do.

If you want to argue about this any more then PM me.

[Pirian]

I am a RL friend of his and have been since we went to elementary school together

We have been friends for about 10 years now. I would think we know a little more about him, and what's best for him, than you do.

So we can safely assume you're ... 10-15 years old? Your argument is moot. I don't normally post on these threads but this was just too much to pass up.

[DukeVedamDren]

So we can safely assume you're ... 10-15 years old? Your argument is moot. I don't normally post on these threads but this was just too much to pass up.

Yea cause elementary school automatically means Kindergarten. I mean it would be impossible for someone to be, 10 or 11 when they left there right?

[FFXIWarrior]

I don't normally post on these threads but this was just too much to pass up.

Guess you shouldn't have broken away from the norm seeing as you just got owned.

In relevance to the thread ...

1. He obtained W.legs using our Override system.

He earned the points which he spent using YOUR OWN rules, So what's the fucking problem? If you are going to say now you have a rule that says you cannot use an Override then leave the LS you are a bullshitter. He also returned any pop items he had before he left.

2. He had a member buy him items then left without reimbursing him.

Two Obi's, worth what 10k. Big fucking deal. An oversight rather than calculated robbery.

3. He also got help from our LS to complete CoP.

8-2 done is now CoP complete? SE moved the goalposts WTF? Of course you got no benefit at all from having another member in Sea for the time he was in your LS. I will help him finish CoP and get his ring and he's not even in my LS.

4. Friendship means nothing to him, and neither does loyalty.

I am not one of the RL friends posting here or on Glorious LS forum. I am an ingame friend and was long before you. It seems you are just trying to damage his reputation.

He has come back to Ifrit where we all KNOW him so what you are trying to achieve with this warning is a mystery to me. Basically you could type here that he stole your LS bank before he left, we either wouldn't care or believe it because we know him well.

People leave Linkshells and Servers all the time, very few leave on good terms. Often through no fault of their own. So instead of trying to "ruin" a decent friend and player, go get yourselves some counselling and GET THE FUCK OVER IT.

[Fallso]

Yea cause elementary school automatically means Kindergarten. I mean it would be impossible for someone to be, 10 or 11 when they left there right?

Having known him since elementary school implies that you're aged 15-21(ish? idk your schooling system).

Still, no need to be a cunt about it.

Guess you shouldn't have broken away from the norm seeing as you just got owned.

And statements like this don't help your credibility either, sir.

[DukeVedamDren]

Having known him since elementary school implies that you're aged 15-21(ish? idk your schooling system).

Still, no need to be a cunt about it.

Yea I just resent the fact that someone assumes I am 10-15 years old and discredits my post because of it.

I am 18 years old, we met in the 4th grade. I wasn't being a "cunt" about it, he said my argument was moot, so I refuted it, how is that being a "cunt"?

[FFXIWarrior]

And statements like this don't help your credibility either, sir.

Maybe I shouldn't have typed that line aimed at that person Fallso but they upset me too with their irrelevant post that also had wrong information.

I have posted twice on BG, once to list gear being hawked by an RMT sales mule in the hope a hacked player would recognize it as their stuff and get the mule locked before more was sold. I've now posted again to defend a player that deserves to be defended, which is credible stuff in my book. I take my "flippant" line back.

[Reinmar]

After an officer of our shell, Helm

hold on, lololololololol. Heru was always nice to me when I knew him, albeit that was for a very short time.

[Helm]

Excuse me, I seem to have at some point mistaken that people who treat someone poorly because they want to hang out with them was a bad thing. I could only imagine what you guys would do if he, you know, wanted to enjoy the game and do endgame there on Ifrit. Perhaps you'd kidnap him or break his PC for his own good. You guys seem to like doing what it takes to get what you want.

You say he'd lie and blow you guys off constantly? Oh well welcome to what he did to us, sucks doesn't it? What did you do when he did it to you? You were pissed and plotted to get him back over there by lying to people on our server, calling him a thief and harassing him? Oh I'm sorry, I didn't know you had exclusive rights to be pissed by someone's bullshit. Awesome.

[Izzy]

*licks lips*

[Helm]

/pets izzy good taru

[Akisu]

Long post, I'll try to keep it as brief as possible, alot to address.

Heru is my friend, online or not. He's a great blackmage, and I was sad he left the server without saying anything. I asked around, those who were "told" he was leaving, all one of them that said he only heard a rumor about it, and was not directly told, didn't believe it to begin with, because Heru was there for almost every event we had, he would come strait home from work, an was already logged off wherever we had the event, ready to login and be ready for it.

To address some of the things said:

hold on, lololololololol. Heru was always nice to me when I knew him, albeit that was for a very short time.

Heru is a good guy, I don't think Miko was saying otherwise, she was simply stating that he had lied about a few things.

1. He obtained W.legs using our Override system.

He earned the points which he spent using YOUR OWN rules, So what's the fucking problem? If you are going to say now you have a rule that says you cannot use an Override then leave the LS you are a bullshitter. He also returned any pop items he had before he left.

The override system is officer approved. It's always been this way, you can see the full rule list under the member's section as well as our "apply" page of the Glorious forums for the new members to review before applying. Check the post date, it's been up there a long, long time, for the post under the member's rule section: November 25th, 2007, to be exact. For the post under the application page, it was moved to be made public to the new applicants: March 1st, 2008. I can give an exact quote of the paragraph in question:

.... Lot Override allows members to spend an "Override" cost, to bypass the members using method one, general lot. This cost is usually exceptional, and also will subtract a total percentage of points from the member using it, and because of it's nature, requires an officer approval (usually the one calling the lots.) If two members elect to use override at the same time, the one with the higher point total will have priority. In the case the attendance/points are the same, it will be decided by an officer, usually by random.

When I call lots, they tell me if they want to override, and I either allow it, or dissalow it, after talking to my point/attendance officer. We have some others who need the legs, but Heru just finished getting rdm to 75 for us, and he already was lotting some other high level rdm gear along side of our other rdms, such as AF2 and all that good stuffs. Heru's just about been around since the beginning, there's no reason I wouldn't have allowed him to override. Now, if it was some person I knew wanted something just to ditch the next day, that override would have been declined. Easily. True, he earned the points, which allowed him to lot by default. Overriding permision is based on attendance, as well as member length in shell, and general trust of the member by officers/other members. I hardly understand how this makes me a "bullshitter" by looking out for my linkshell. The same reason I won't hand a Kirin's Osode to a fresh meat, 3 day old member, I wouldn't hand a w.legs to a member leaving the next day.

I'm sure other linkshells that have a "cash out" or some such feature, allowing members to trade in accumulated points for gil/items have felt this sting before as well, it happens to all endgame shells, and I understand that. My problem with the matter, he didn't tell me, the leader, he was leaving, I'll assume because he wanted to override the w.legs. He's been on ventrilo many times, he's heard us talk about overrides and people who can/can't lot based on attendance/trust/etc. You can try to spin this how you want, but the simple version is this.

He took advantage of the override system by not informing the leadership he was leaving before using it, as he would not have been approved normally.

2. He had a member buy him items then left without reimbursing him.

Two Obi's, worth what 10k. Big fucking deal. An oversight rather than calculated robbery.

10k, 100k, 1m, it's still an unpaid debt, wasting someones time, inventory space, and effort doing a favor for someone else.

3. He also got help from our LS to complete CoP.

8-2 done is now CoP complete? SE moved the goalposts WTF? Of course you got no benefit at all from having another member in Sea for the time he was in your LS. I will help him finish CoP and get his ring and he's not even in my LS.

Erm, no. A lot more than 8-2 my friend, a lot more. Seeing as I led 90% of the CoP events in my shell, I dragged everyone from mammets and up. I paid for meds, salts, pumps, scales, and everything else no one felt like farming up. And if Heru would have stuck around, we would have done the escort quest for him this up comming weekend, a long with a few other members, who still need their rings as well. I'm not going to take one person through from start to finish, just to repeat it for another 20 members singularly. They can wait for others to catch up so I have enough for a group. Seeing as we just finished the Ultima/Omega Airship fight, a few more just landed in sea as well to assist. Trying to speak down on my efforts to help everyone, after I've spent the gil, time and effort is rather insulting. What's your ingame name again? Not to mention the linkshell bank pays for Limbus runs, which he now has access to, to provide him with free ABC's and AF+1 items. I hardly see where this was unfair or not good enough.

4. Friendship means nothing to him, and neither does loyalty.

Heru is my friend, as previously stated. I would rather speak to him here, versus sockpuppets like you. He's very intelligent, I've talked to him many times on ventrilo, I'm fairly sure he can speak on his own without you jumping up and down like you've got a rabid weasle chomping into your rear trying to defend him.

I am not one of the RL friends posting here or on Glorious LS forum. I am an ingame friend and was long before you. It seems you are just trying to damage his reputation.

Friendship has seniority now? I wasn't aware of this, as I considere Heru a good friend, even though I've only known him a short time compared to several other ingame friends that I've had since FFXI release date.

He has come back to Ifrit where we all KNOW him so what you are trying to achieve with this warning is a mystery to me. Basically you could type here that he stole your LS bank before he left, we either wouldn't care or believe it because we know him well.

This saddens me, but it was his choice. I feel bad for him if you, or his "real life friends" here as well are examples of the crowd he spends time with there. But, I'm sure somewhere in the community of Ifrit, someone would disagree with you, as you don't speak for everyone. The same as I cannot represent all of Phoenix server.

People leave Linkshells and Servers all the time, very few leave on good terms. Often through no fault of their own. So instead of trying to "ruin" a decent friend and player, go get yourselves some counselling and GET THE FUCK OVER IT.

Again with the anger... Plenty leave on good terms, I've seen many friends out of my linkshell due to not wanting to do endgame anymore, not getting along with other members, etc. No one is trying to ruin anyone, this is simply a statement of factual information being provided to anyone of Ifrit who might find it interesting, why you are turning it into a flameblasing battle of doom is beyond me. As far as people to confirm everything here, you can ask myself, or any of my officers in Glorious, or for that matter, most of the members.

A whm of ours had Heru on his friendlist, he sent Heru a message a few days after he went missing, seeing he was on Ifrit server, he responded to where he was with "I'm helping a friend out, I'll be back soon." and the whm told us all Heru ocassionaly goes over there on a mule to talk to friends. A few days later it was confirmed he transfered his main character over. This hurt alot of people here, as we were his friends as well, and for him to turn his back on us like that, and lie about it; well. Yeah.

We have gotten over it, we can find another blm/rdm, but we can't find another Heru.

When you start bailing on your RL friends time and time again to do stuff with your LS and never hanging out with them and lying to them about stuff, I think it's time to re-evaluate your priorities. Like I said before the extent that this reached was mind-blowing. When he was on Phoenix he would come home from work and go to required events and stuff like that, often staying up late at night and always complaining of how tired he was. We were tired of it and decided to get him to come back to Ifrit where he could just chill at night and do things he actually wanted to do. This is exactly the reason I'm not in any endgame shell. I don't have the time right now, and with school coming up it would have just killed Heru IRL.

Say what you want about our methodology but this past week Heru IRL has been happier, been out more, hasn't played as much, and there has been a complete turn-around in his demeanor. Sure we fucked with him, and what we did worked out for the best.

Sir, this happens to many people, real life or ingame. This usually occurs when people don't want to be friends anymore. I can't speak for Heru, but I can speak from personal experience. It's called setting up walls, boundaries, or whatever you want to call it. If Heru wanted to ditch you guys to play FFXI with us, that is his choice, and his alone.

Yes, he would come home from work, hop on for the event, or sometimes 2/3rds of the event if he was late, and we would end our event. After about 11PM EST, I have no problem with people leaving to sleep for work reasons, or being tired after a long day of work. Many do, so I don't understand this argument. Is Heru not capable of putting himself to bed? Does he need you to tuck him in or something?

As far as "doing things he wanted to do." We have freedays every week, as well as just having this last weekend off due to the 4th, not to mention our vacation policy listed under our rules; you can trade in points to be allowed to skip requried events to go do some stuff you want to do, and seeing as Heru dropped all of his points on an override for w.legs, he was at no shortage of points to do this with. I've had many other members use this "vacation" status already.

So, basicly you were bum hurt over the fact he was hanging out with us versus you, but I don't understand why you think me, or my linkshell, is that hardcore on members. We are extremely generous with attendance, we don't have an extreme long hours of sky/sea farming, we don't have any kind of crazy time requirements. We cater to those who have real life things to do, as well as try to please those who live on FFXI by rewarding them a bit differently. Everyone in the LS is aware of this, trying to say otherwise is amusing. I myself lead this shell, do nearly double college credits, and find a way to pay the evil tuition zombies other than with my own blood. And, I still have time left over to do real life things. The same with many other members. FFXI is a hobby, and should be treated as such.

If he is happier there with you guys, good for him, that makes me happy for him, I was unaware he wasn't happy hanging out with us. I'll miss him for sure, and him being launched out of our relic ranger's gun while casting burst 2 to decimate Kirin's face (inside joke.) I'm also a bit concerned for him now, seeing your example of gestapo tactics to have him move over there, as the way you describe it seems rather coerced instead of voluntary. I would like to get a responce from Heru here, to see how he really feels about things, and get his own words about what happened; as he left many friends here a bit hurt and confused, some angry who still need w.legs (for obvious reasons.)

The fact still stands: From our point of view, he took a W.Legs, and ran, abusing our system, and our trust. No matter what you bring in to this argument, real life situations or not, and the attempts to derail the original post by using the real life card; the issue still exists, as does the warning to any Ifrit shells that might be interested in inviting him later on.

[DukeVedamDren]

Sir, this happens to many people, real life or ingame. This usually occurs when people don't want to be friends anymore. I can't speak for Heru, but I can speak from personal experience. It's called setting up walls, boundaries, or whatever you want to call it. If Heru wanted to ditch you guys to play FFXI with us, that is his choice, and his alone.

Yes, he would come home from work, hop on for the event, or sometimes 2/3rds of the event if he was late, and we would end our event. After about 11PM EST, I have no problem with people leaving to sleep for work reasons, or being tired after a long day of work. Many do, so I don't understand this argument. Is Heru not capable of putting himself to bed? Does he need you to tuck him in or something?

As far as "doing things he wanted to do." We have freedays every week, as well as just having this last weekend off due to the 4th, not to mention our vacation policy listed under our rules; you can trade in points to be allowed to skip requried events to go do some stuff you want to do, and seeing as Heru dropped all of his points on an override for w.legs, he was at no shortage of points to do this with. I've had many other members use this "vacation" status already.

So, basicly you were bum hurt over the fact he was hanging out with us versus you, but I don't understand why you think me, or my linkshell, is that hardcore on members. We are extremely generous with attendance, we don't have an extreme long hours of sky/sea farming, we don't have any kind of crazy time requirements. We cater to those who have real life things to do, as well as try to please those who live on FFXI by rewarding them a bit differently. Everyone in the LS is aware of this, trying to say otherwise is amusing. I myself lead this shell, do nearly double college credits, and find a way to pay the evil tuition zombies other than with my own blood. And, I still have time left over to do real life things. The same with many other members. FFXI is a hobby, and should be treated as such.

If he is happier there with you guys, good for him, that makes me happy for him, I was unaware he wasn't happy hanging out with us. I'll miss him for sure, and him being launched out of our relic ranger's gun while casting burst 2 to decimate Kirin's face (inside joke.) I'm also a bit concerned for him now, seeing your example of gestapo tactics to have him move over there, as the way you describe it seems rather coerced instead of voluntary. I would like to get a responce from Heru here, to see how he really feels about things, and get his own words about what happened; as he left many friends here a bit hurt and confused, some angry who still need w.legs (for obvious reasons.)

The fact still stands: From our point of view, he took a W.Legs, and ran, abusing our system, and our trust. No matter what you bring in to this argument, real life situations or not, and the attempts to derail the original post by using the real life card; the issue still exists, as does the warning to any Ifrit shells that might be interested in inviting him later on.

I have said all I need to say in this thread and with Helm through PMs. I'll try to get Heru to reply to this thread. He was going to when it was first posted but couldn't access his AOL account to get his password for here.

You can say what you want of me and how bad of a friend I may be, but it is impossible for you to know the full situation unless you knew him in person. You can say I was "bum hurt" or jealous or whatever but you do not, nor could you, understand the severity of the situation unless you actually knew him. Everything we have done(aside from the post made on your LS forum) was done with the best of intentions for him and nothing you can say to me will change that. You can say it was wrong but I believe it was right.

Your warning is out there, he left your shell, it's done.

As you know he works a lot so when he gets home later I'll tell him.