AV question- flame away

[Cog]

i know we ask something about AV every time we get a chance, and the devs point at the reporter and laugh, but i think one question might be worth a shot.
those who have examined SE's videos know that their characters seem to have infinite uses of lv.1 abilities *SPs or 2hrs*.
lets find out if this is part of the AV fight i.e. unique to this NM, -OR- whether another game mechanic was used not involving the Mega-Boss.

u dont even need to phrase it in terms of AV, something like "How might an alliance of players fighting a HNM use their two-hour abilities more than once in that period?"

or perhaps a more leading question "Would it be possible for non-Square Enix employees to do the same?"

if you don't think they want to be asked about AV whatsoever, "Are there any methods to shortening recast of Lv.1 JA's?"

or maybe they dont mind answering questions about AV that day (the cylon dev team)
"Does using Manafont SoulVoice Chainspell and AstralFlow (always used in their own example) after Absolute Virtue uses a player job SP ability prevent their use by him?" i believe the answer is "yes"

[Therin]

http://blog.lib.umn.edu/boley011/arc...amethrower.jpg

[Psion]

This is shit. Question would be put to ten thousand times better use asking SE to lower pups activate timer or other pup related questions. <3

[spooky]

I can save you some trouble by telling you exactly how the questions you propose would be answered. I bet your life they will be exactly like this:

"How might an alliance of players fighting a HNM use their two-hour abilities more than once in that period?"

"Aside from using a COR, there is no other way."

"Would it be possible for non-Square Enix employees to do the same?"

(Asuming that by "do the same" you mean kill AV.) "Yes."

"Are there any methods to shortening recast of Lv.1 JA's?"

"No."

"Does using Manafont SoulVoice Chainspell and AstralFlow after Absolute Virtue uses a player job SP ability prevent their use by him?"

"We want players to play the game and find out for themselves."

[Cog]

thanks spooky, but i'm guessing you've never watched the video or fought AV yourself.
the method for defeating this most deadly foe lies in the SP abilities we see.

(Asuming that by "do the same" you mean kill AV.) "Yes."

by "Do the same" i mean i want to use manafont 5 times during thunder day also.

and psion this is not a suggestion forum for them to make some changes, you should use your POL email. when you start Playonline Viewer you can select "Service and Support" >> "Support" >> "Email Support" then select "Comments and Suggestions". Remember SE cannot provide individual responses to comments and suggestions, hence why i posted my question in the FFXI-INTERVIEW forum.

[Hanyoko]

Question 1: "This question was going to be about defeating Absolute Virtue, however we dont expect any actual helpful information and therefore have moved on to other content, therefore the following question shall be asked. <insert non-AV question here>"

*edit*
As much as we all want to know how to defeat AV, I highly doubt SE will give us any more hints.

[Cog]

if people would read, my post is about asking SE a question related to their AV strategy in a roundabout way, which will confirm or deny critical points of information needed to formulate strategy.

[octopus]

if people would read, my post is about asking SE a question related to their AV strategy in a roundabout way, which will confirm or deny critical points of information needed to formulate strategy.

You're assuming that SE will actually answer and not dodge the question. What spooky answered is pretty typical of what SE usually does when faced with such questions about AV.

[The Stig]

Spooky answered the last question wrong. It should've been "Everything you need to know is in that video!"

Don't forget the AV video! =o

[toqabowl]

We gotta find out if there is something we are missing from that vid beside same-day nukes & 2hr when he does.

[Linktri]

No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, NO, NO, NO, NO, NO! You're doing it all wrong.

Q: Why the fuck did you assholes create a mob that no one can kill legitimately?
A: We killed it legitimately.

Q: The fuck you did. You say you do a lot of things, but you have a history of letting your playerbase be fucked in the ass.
A: Is that a question?

Q: No, but it needed to be said. Here's a question. Are you just a bunch of dicks and are you laughing at us?
A: Yes.

Q: Would you please do one of two things for me?
A: What?

Q: Either give a much less subtle hint on how to defeat AV or go die in a goddamn fire. Even the Japanese players haven't figured it out and I swear to God that if it's something stupid like throwing pebbles at him, I'm going to leap across the world and strangle you.
A: Um. Ok?

[spooky]

thanks spooky, but i'm guessing you've never watched the video or fought AV yourself.
the method for defeating this most deadly foe lies in the SP abilities we see.

k, w/e you say Melee SMN. A lot of people a hell of a lot smarter than you have taken that video appart again and again. It still doesn't tell us anything new.

by "Do the same" i mean i want to use manafont 5 times during thunder day also.

Again assuming you mean something along the lines of the same toon using a 2hr more than once, I already answered this with: it's not possible unless you have a COR.

But do continue beating this thoroughly dead house into a bloody pulp. Prehaps after enough time has past they will hand it to us on a plate like Goblin Drink.

[Linktri]

Like this, i think.

http://theroosterstrikes.files.wordp...dead-horse.gif

[Kazesan]

It's like Square Enix tied us to a chair and is playing an extremely long game of "Guess Who".

Players: "Uhh...I give up, give me a hint!"
SE: "Ok, I'm not anyone other than myself."
Players: "That's not a hint, how am I supposed to figure out who you aSEre?"
SE: "That's up to you to find out, not me."
Players: "Can I get another hint please?"
SE: "Ok, watch this video of someone who is not me, it should clearly point out who I am by eliminating someone who I'm not."
Players: "But that leaves over 6,000,000,000 possibilties at who you are..."
SE: "Exactly"

Fastfoward a couple years and we're still being held hostage to that chair. :X

[Sagacious Sundi]

But do continue beating this thoroughly dead house

Should I imagine someone beating up a home or a dead Hugh Laurie?

[Cog]

k, w/e you say Melee SMN. A lot of people a hell of a lot smarter than you have taken that video appart again and again. It still doesn't tell us anything new.


Again assuming you mean something along the lines of the same toon using a 2hr more than once, I already answered this with: it's not possible unless you have a COR.

LOL wow your postcount is high i guess that means you're right.

I'm the one thats watched the video frame by frame countless times not you.

If COR is the only way, let them say that. If so they are basically admitting they cheated.

THATS WHAT I WANT TO FIND OUT, and the entire purpose of this thread...

[Mandau]

LOL wow your postcount is high i guess that means you're right.

I'm the one thats watched the video frame by frame countless times not you.

If COR is the only way, let them say that. If so they are basically admitting they cheated.

THATS WHAT I WANT TO FIND OUT, and the entire purpose of this thread...

Spooky is right, alot of people have watched that video a hell of alot. It is broken. Either the fight took a RL day, or SE are just fucking with us all, laughing because we are too dumb to realize they are a bunch of 12 year old children with magnifying glasses (we are the ants). SE always answer questions about AV, if they answer at all, in riddles, so it doesn't matter if you ask them out right for a better strat than the video, or a question which isn't directly related, they still gonna give you the same bullshit answer. They will never admit they are cheating.

Obviously, you should instead be asking "Is M.Body PLDs the way to kill it?"

[Ramses]

I don't think it is necessarily a bad question, though i would phrase it differently. I would flat out say they cheated by using unlimited sp abilities in the video and tell them players don't believe AV can be beaten because even the dev team had to cheat to win. That puts them on the defensive and would have to answer in a way that would at least tell us a little something.

[yagrush]

what i gather from watching the video over and over is the fight takes roughtly 10hrs from start of JoL .... has any LS actually tried fighting him for more then afew hrs?

[Hanyoko]

Ok, I'll give. Real questions time

1) What was the total time for the group in the video demonstration to defeat AV. Clarification: From the moment of spawn to the moment its HP was depleted.
1a) What is a realistic time for players to be able to defeat AV assuming an 85% efficency/teamwork? 90%? 95%?

2) Other then for camera characters, were any developer modes enabled on any of the characters active in the fight? Clarification: anything from taking no damage, to scripted bot like behavior.

3) We have observed, and been told that killing JOL pets + nuking with proper element will reduce/remove AV's regen. We have also observed that the characters in the fight were using their SP whenever AV used his. What effect is players using the SP supposed to have on AV? The information we have been provided is vague and therefore we cannot tell is its 'working as intended'

4) We noted that players would use their SP ability more frequent then the standard 2hr recast. How was this circumvented?

5) Are there any other hints hidden then the ones stated above? If so how many? Can you point us closer to the answer?

6) Why has any form of hint to the defeat of AV been so hard to obtain from SE?