Windower glitch?

[LinktheDeme]

My friend runs windows vista and anytime he loads any plugin on windower his windower crashes. POL loads up fine normally and windower runs without the plugins. once he loads any plugin it crashes. They are all up to date I know this because I used a program to connect to his pc and did it myself. Just trying to figure why all the windower plugins arent working. Probably Vista related but possibly could be something else. Wondering if anyone had this before or knows a solution ;/

[Jodwahh]

Running Vista 32 home, with 3.4 windower and pretty much all the latest plugin release's works fine with me. Possibly he's still not updated since the latest patch that borked a few of the plugins? Failing that I have no idea sorry

[LinktheDeme]

I updated all of his plugins for him so thats not the case. Unless theres a vista update?
he's also on compatibility mode for windows XP service pack 2 and has disabled the UAC thingy

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What version of Windower are you trying to use?

[Khrno]

I run on Vista 32, have windower 3.4 with distance, tp, infobar plugins running at start up. I don't know about the compatibility with XP SP2, I'm pretty sure I don't have that, but my UAC is disabled too.

There was just a Vista update this week but windower has no problems, so might be worth to redownload it and see if that fixes it?

[Callisto]

I haven't checked if there's an update for them since they borked but I know that Distance crashes mine, I don't normally use it anyways so I took it out of my init and mine works fine.

[Khrno]

Yea Distance usually crashed the old versions if I had it to load at start up, I always had to load it manually from console, however the last version of the plugin doesn't have that problem anymore.

[Amele]

my understanding is that XP compatibility is no longer necessary but I'll need to boot into my vista partition when I get home to check it; running in admin mode should be sufficient.(and is probably what he isn't doing.)

[Richybear]

My Vista is fully upgraded, UAC turned off and I'll get random POL errors for no reason whether I run it normally or not.
"POL.exe has experienced an error and must shut down."

Yet it only happens in certain areas. In Beaucedine I'll crash every 10 seconds. >.<

[Amele]

are you using the vista binary for POL?

[LinktheDeme]

He's running with UAC disabled and if thats disabled basically everythings in admin mode. POL works fine FFXI works fine Windower works fine. Just when ANY plugin is loaded TParty, NEW distance, lightluggage and etc. it crashes. It's windower 3.4 and he has Vista Home Premium

[Amele]

He's running with UAC disabled and if thats disabled basically everythings in admin mode. POL works fine FFXI works fine Windower works fine. Just when ANY plugin is loaded TParty, NEW distance, lightluggage and etc. it crashes. It's windower 3.4 and he has Vista Home Premium

I wasn't clear I guess.

interprocess communication on vista is locked down like no other; (and this is exactly what loading additional DLLs is doing - literally inserting code into FFXI's application space during run time) try ticking the little box if you haven't yet; it's not like it can hurt you.

for another thing, you have to be on an admin account for disabling UAC to actually approximate admin level access; a general user is *still* going to be on user level access. (being that it's independent of UAC).

I have run and successfully loaded a wide variety of plugins in vista x64 *with* UAC enabled; so I promise you it's something your friend has configured wrong. (there is a remote possibility that you have to be on an admin -account- but I find that unlikely)

[Khrno]

I get a slight freeze everytime plugins are loaded in the game's main screen, but it ends there, never had any errors or crashes. Might it be hardware related? Not enough memory? Maybe running too many things at the same time? Shouldn't be an issue even if you are in something like P4, let alone dual cores.

[LinktheDeme]

I wasn't clear I guess.

interprocess communication on vista is locked down like no other; (and this is exactly what loading additional DLLs is doing - literally inserting code into FFXI's application space during run time) try ticking the little box if you haven't yet; it's not like it can hurt you.

for another thing, you have to be on an admin account for disabling UAC to actually approximate admin level access; a general user is *still* going to be on user level access. (being that it's independent of UAC).

I have run and successfully loaded a wide variety of plugins in vista x64 *with* UAC enabled; so I promise you it's something your friend has configured wrong. (there is a remote possibility that you have to be on an admin -account- but I find that unlikely)

You can't check the box if UAC is disabled and i'm going to assume that he's on an admin account because he can't check the box after disabling UAC and also he's the only one that uses the PC. Is there anyway to check the rights without having him log off? Because we're doing remote access and if he logs off application closes and i can no longer edit stuff ;3

edit: Just did this thingy for him maybe now it works
Net user administrator /active:yes

edit2: ZOMG IT WORKS at least for now

[Callisto]

OK completely unrelated, but this is fucked up and I didn't want to start a new thread for it. I have screenshots at home I can post later but here's the story for now:

Last night I was running 2 instances of windower, one was a mule inside of Dynamis collecting currency, the other was a mule outside of Dynamis for giving glasses to late members.

After the run ends, in this order I: Warp on the currency mule, join party with BLM on glass mule and get D2'd. Currency mule is HP'd in Northern Sandy, glass mule in Whitegate. I leave glass mule sitting in MH, run currency mule to Port Sandy Airship docks, and have a /t conversation with someone on currency mule. I then go afk for about 10 minutes to work on dinner.

When I get back I open up chat log on the currency mule to see if I missed any important LS chat...and I notice that the /t conversation that I had just had 10 minutes ago is gone. Furthermore I notice a few more things: Party chat of me saying 'thanks' on the glass mule, the text of the glass mule being D2'd, and the text you get when you enter a new area, this one being for Whitegate.

The issue being that this is the chatlog for the currency mule, which was never in the party with the other mule to see party chat, warped before the glass mule was D2'd so could not have seen that message, and never went to Whitegate. I switch over to the glass mule...and the chatlog there is identical, including the log from the last 5 minutes of Dynamis...the glass mule never entered Dynamis, so couldn't have the log of me lotting currency on it.

So somehow the chatlogs from my 2 separate windowed instances got merged together...wtf? Anyone seen something like this before?

[Ashira]

So somehow the chatlogs from my 2 separate windowed instances got merged together...wtf? Anyone seen something like this before?

Yeah, has always happened. It's like a memory leak thing. I've tried to find a particular pattern with how it happens on mine, I think it's typically when I minimize one window, it'll then start logging chat from the other, or something like that. If I keep both up and visible, chat doesn't leak between the two.

[Callisto]

Yeah, has always happened. It's like a memory leak thing. I've tried to find a particular pattern with how it happens on mine, I think it's typically when I minimize one window, it'll then start logging chat from the other, or something like that. If I keep both up and visible, chat doesn't leak between the two.

Ok thanks, lol. I'm relatively new to the PC version, though I always keep one minimized since I play in fullscreen and I had never seen this before, it confused the shit out of me and everyone thought I was just drunk again. XD

[Rishi]

It's not a memory leak thing .. the chatlog is saved as a collection of files (off the top of my head, I believe they're 1.log - 10.log) in your POL folder, and if you open more than one instance they'll both try to write to the same chatlogs. Glitching ensues.

[Amele]

It's not a memory leak thing .. the chatlog is saved as a collection of files (off the top of my head, I believe they're 1.log - 10.log) in your POL folder, and if you open more than one instance they'll both try to write to the same chatlogs. Glitching ensues.

yup.

I got around this by installing two copies of XI and setting one up as the JP client - voila two installed locations with fully separate reg entries and install paths (and configurations etc.)

downside was one client was in japanese; but since you're not reading npc storyline text this shouldn't be a big problem.

it occurs to me that if you have access to an EU and a US copy you might be able to configure for friendlier languages (does EU support english native or is it only French/german?)

[Xythe]

Yea Distance usually crashed the old versions if I had it to load at start up, I always had to load it manually from console, however the last version of the plugin doesn't have that problem anymore.

It wasn't distance for me that broke my windower when ever I tried to play. It was usually the Recast one that did.

As for the crashing maybe uninstall/reinstall to try and get it working again. Possibly try without loading any plugins at the start.