Pandemonium Warden - The aftermath theories.

[Byrthnoth]

The fact that there's an orderly progression through ToAU things makes me think that the transformations are either avoidable in sections or not avoidable.

I'm pretty bitter that I wasn't on for the Pandy Warden fight. >.< I should be able to get back on by Wednesday.

[Karbuncle]

Considering his name, I don't think there's a way to stop him from transforming. I think after the 5 Generals are killed, he's going to transform at least once more, into a Vampyr (possibly into Poroggos and Flans to be equal with Acrolith), before he turns into a Dvergr and becomes killable.

i agree with this... But i bet its not that "Very hard", im wagering on Hydra, Cerberus, and Khimaira befoe his Dvergr form, thus making him "SquareHard"

This fight is definitely one of those "Wake up early, This mornings Event: Pandemonium!"

[Starr]

Maybe the 8 pets were meant to have 25k HP total so they have about 3k HP each for each form lol.

[tsola]

I don't think there's a way to avoid it. Our group tried killing it with a lamp up, and that just made it loop back to it's current form. This linkshell killed all the lamps, and that made it change into a different form. Seems to just be a huge 15+ hours event. At least unlike AV it seems that it can be defeated I guess?

[donnie]

well if you cant stop him from transforming , then we go back to the idea of having the NMs killed while leaving their minions kited. this definitely will cut back the time needed to kill all those NMs, since each of their minions is about 25,000HP.

anyways we still need some more info on him from SA LS, perhaps they will support this idea or dismiss it.

Edit: to tsola, do you have pictures of the second chariot , you might have actually progressed since they did get 3 more chariots after the first one , so might need to check the data to see if the chariot model have changed a bit.

[Priran]

Pandemonium surely doesn't imply a 10 hour slog through repetition and dullness. That's a new definition of the word to me.

because the first 2 fights against a mob are 100% indicative of how fights against the mob will be fought several months from now

[Wizerd]

Eh, I wouldn't be surprised if Pandemonium takes 3-4 hours to complete even when people have it perfected. Dynamis takes that long, and a lot of people do events that last that long. Rather than killing a few a night, it'd just be 1.

[Maxxthepenguin]

because the first 2 fights against a mob are 100% indicative of how fights against the mob will be fought several months from now

It stands to reason that we'll figure something out to make it shorter, not that it will magically become shorter.

[Sagacious Sundi]

Considering his name, I don't think there's a way to stop him from transforming. I think after the 5 Generals are killed, he's going to transform at least once more, into a Vampyr (possibly into Poroggos and Flans to be equal with Acrolith), before he turns into a Dvergr and becomes killable.

Mamool hussars and Troll destroyers are in the same "group" as acroliths. (Level 7+ Besieged mobs and there's 9 of each in the .dats. for Wajaom/Bhaflau/Al Zahbi)
Poroggos, flan, soulflayers, and imps are in the same group (all BLMs, special Salvage/Nyzul mobs; Qiqirn and chariots are also in the same group in Nyzul), but they're so unintimidating (well, except flayers) that I doubt he'll transform into them. I can definitely see Gulool, Gurfurlur, vampyr, hydra, cerb, khim, and Odin as other forms of him. Maybe even orobon. (Since these are all NM/event-only mobs.)

EDIT: Can this be a play on AV? AV has the abilities of a bunch of jobs, PW can transform into a bunch of enemies... >_>

[Jaybar]

50,000 Alexandrites now seems to be plausible with no fix.

Nice try on the fight, though. Surprised you stayed even after all 4 chariots XD

[Titanss]

Wonder why the James Bond shit about the pop/fight?

[Shinryuu]

Just toss a yellow liquid at it

[Tyche]

Wonder why the James Bond shit about the pop/fight?

So they didn't have 200 people from their server come and lag them to high hell. I'd have done the same thing.

[Priran]

Mamool hussars and Troll destroyers are in the same "group" as acroliths. (Level 7+ Besieged mobs and there's 9 of each in the .dats. for Wajaom/Bhaflau/Al Zahbi)
Poroggos, flan, soulflayers, and imps are in the same group (all BLMs, special Salvage/Nyzul mobs; Qiqirn and chariots are also in the same group in Nyzul), but they're so unintimidating (well, except flayers) that I doubt he'll transform into them. I can definitely see Gulool, Gurfurlur, vampyr, hydra, cerb, khim, and Odin as other forms of him. Maybe even orobon. (Since these are all NM/event-only mobs.)

PW transforms into Medusa for the Lamia, a Hussar for the Mamool, and a Destroyer for the Trolls. Acroliths are Besieged-only, but they're also probably the most imposing monster family allied with the Lamia. The closest thing to this for the Mamools and Trolls would be either Wivres or Poroggos, and Wamoura or Flans. I picked Poroggos and Flans because of their frequent use in Nyzul/Salvage.

It stands to reason that we'll figure something out to make it shorter, not that it will magically become shorter.

Is this some dumb way of agreeing with me without looking like you're agreeing with me? People will come up with strategies that shorten the fight, that's what I was implying.

[Maxxthepenguin]

So, wait, were the Acrolith's parts exploding?

[aznmajiktaru]

With the new update, SE really seems to be emphasizing on the players to explore all the mobs in the game (shitty zeni pictures/nyzul relic). It's plausible for PW to transform into a whole buncha different mobs we normally don't get to fight (a sort of reward lol for people who complain about not being able to fight acroliths and shit outta besieged). It just slightly disturbing that it took nearly 8 hours and it was still repopping lol. Reminds me of the first hydra when it came out......took a total of some 15 hours, was not fun -_- and I imagine must be 4X as bad when you have to let something with such shit drop rate depop

Nice try on the fight, least now people will know to reserve a nice time slot till someone figures out if there's any trick to this.

[Kkel]

Anyone try using a Soultrapper on it? >_>

[Rocl]

WHAT THE FUCKING SHIT COCK

[Emdief]

My 2 cents:
1) Did you notice if when it repops as dvergr to do hellsnap it repops with full hp or not?
2) Considered the possibility of chainspell/stun right when it respawns? no idea if this is doable or not, these are just theories, but could it be that you've to do as much dmg as possible while in dvergr form?
8.30h fight is really insane, this probably isnt the way to do it, have to figure out something else =/

[Titanss]

So they didn't have 200 people from their server come and lag them to high hell. I'd have done the same thing.

eh the other server did it, didn't have a problem, btw what part of KY?