Pandemonium Warden - The aftermath theories.

[Xno Kappa]

So far no Meteors, No Benedictions - just alot of lamps, transformations and cackling.

Many theories haven't been tested yet so i think it is silly to start painting Pandemonium as the heir to AVs throne especially when a distinct pattern is starting to form in his actions, something we wish AV had.

I won't go as far as to say the heir to AV, but AV itself has a somewhat distinguishable pattern. Doesn't mean much if you know when and what a mobs gonna do unless you have an answer to it. Mind you I still agree PW is still "beatable," its pattern so far doesn't involve anally raping you in the first couple of minutes.

[Kaslo]

So far no Meteors, No Benedictions - just alot of lamps, transformations and cackling.

Many theories haven't been tested yet so i think it is silly to start painting Pandemonium as the heir to AVs throne especially when a distinct pattern is starting to form in his actions, something we wish AV had.

The pop item drop rate off tier 4 and the overall playerbase waiting for that one group to spawn and get some actual data on the table are the two main issues facing PW.

I was just kidding but to be fair wouldn't the respawn be worse than a benediction?

[Katlan]

I was just kidding but to be fair wouldn't the respawn be worse than a benediction?

That's just because (I may be mistaken) PW's drops arent all that "omgiwantthemsobadlyepeenis" awsome like AV's were when he was first introduced. Couple this w/abosolute shitty drop rates for T4 ZNM's and you have yourself a [potential 8hr+ fight] mob thats not worth the investment to farm daily for.

[Psion]

try doing /laugh at pandy warden when he does cackle.



(what? kneel works with odin)

[Sagacious Sundi]

I was just kidding but to be fair wouldn't the respawn be worse than a benediction?

Well, at least the respawn isn't the exact same damn mob, like AV's Benedicktion, so we might be getting somewhere.

[Kaslo]

Note, again, I was just kidding

[LD]

Really doesn't pay to be arbitrary in a speculation thread. :[

[Sagacious Sundi]

Note, again, I was just kidding

But you said "to be fair", and I tend to see that as a turn in the post/paragraph/whatever's tone/POV/opinion/etc. Sorry. >_>;

[Taisaijin]

is this...already a new AV?

[Kimkytaru]

That's just because (I may be mistaken) PW's drops arent all that "omgiwantthemsobadlyepeenis" awsome like AV's were when he was first introduced. Couple this w/abosolute shitty drop rates for T4 ZNM's and you have yourself a [potential 8hr+ fight] mob thats not worth the investment to farm daily for.

Weapon on the same level as spharai for mnk and the best body for sam/war/mnk/nin ummm I do think it have good drop <.< Maybe not on the same level as AV but still pretty decent.

I'm sure there's more than those 2 also. But those are the one I know.

[Priran]

people do not care enough about gearing their MNKs to prevent ZNMs from gradually slipping into Sarameya spammage.

[LinktheDeme]

try doing /laugh at pandy warden when he does cackle.



(what? kneel works with odin)

have to /heal not /kneel safer just to run out lol. only good for tank really

[Max™]

Yeah, body is nice, if the rest of the lootpool is fleshed out with the remaining non-campaign items, it will be pretty sweet... if not, I can't see it being worth an 8 hour investment of constant attentiveness.

[RKenshin]

No new groups attempting? Or is it more of a 'we're working on it but don't want to divulge our secrets' sort of thing.

LS has been pumping out a shitload of ZNMs, might have a PW set or two in the very near future. We've been putting off doing the higher tier NM fights but we're starting to spend more time on it now.

We have at least 24 T4 sets that we're planning to use this week. And there's enough near-complete sets for a good 10 more T4 sets in the near future... But soon as we get a PW set we'll be going for it. Shouldn't be too hard to do though, the LS has been really driven about this... Combined I think we're making like 4-8 T4 sets a week.

Hoping to see at least 1-3 PW sets out of the T4 fest!

[Spira]

i find it strange that so few pop sets have been obtained thus far.. i mean.. the drop rate is bad and all.. but i guess no LS is really pressing to try PW somehow.. also, like no reports of any JP LS ever popping him yet either. I'd imagine theres alot of commited JP ls out there too.. i guess JP button hasn't been working so well lately..

...anyway um.. i think Kaylia's Title theory seems to be the most sound theory that should probably tested first..
seeing as how SE loves playing with group numbers.. 18 different titles for 18 different forms.. perhaps.. trying to draw relations to titles here.. lemme see..

known transformations:

1) Armored Chariot - Sun Charioteer
2) Battleclad Chariot - Star Charioteer
3) Long-Armed Chariot - Moon Charioteer
4) Long-Bowed Chariot - Comet Charioteer
5) Acrolith - Subduer of Undead Swarm
6) Mamool Hussy - Subduer of Mamool Ja
7) Troll Hammer guy - Subduer of the Trolls
8) Medusa - Gorgonstone Sunderer
9) Zazarg - Stoneserpent Shocktrooper
10) Gadalar - Branded by the Five Serpents? (he doesn't have his own flameserpent title)

Those we don't know of... lets assume there are 18 in total (cos 18 in a full alliance)

1) Gurfurlur - Troll Subjugator
2) Gulool Jajaja - Shining Scale Rifler
3) Najelith - Galeserpent Guardian
4) Rughadjeen - Skyserpent Aggrandizer
5) Mihli - Springserpent Sentry..

for the last 3.. i don't think they'd actually repeat the HNMs, because those have been accounted for in T4 of the ZNM system.. I also don't think they'd use Odin (because he's like really special) nor Alexander (cos hes the final boss of the expansion after all).. so the only thing I could come up with left from ToA which is high level and rewards titles... is this..
the 3 ToA job limit break 5 quests...

- Raubahn (BLU) - Master of Ambition
- Qultada (COR) - Master of Chance
- Shamarhaan (PUP) - Master of Manipulation

conveniently comes in a set of 3 as well.. (the even numbered 4 for chariots is offset by the 5 serpent generals.. to still give a total of 18...)

and if the theory is correct, what it does is it cuts the battle time significantly for those groups which have the titles.. allowing them (if you manage to have all 18 titles in your group at 1 time) to skip all the way to the real Pandemonium Warden, the Dvergr who drops stuff..
sounds like something SE would do....

can't wait for the next PW attempt so we figure out more about him

[Max™]

Either version is going to suck.

If you have to get all 18 titles in the ally at once, and get BRUTAL fucking penalties for missing some, (oh hay guys, TIME TO REPEAT THREE TIMES FOR LACKING TITLES), it's going to really suck for any group that hasn't done all of the above things...

To be fair, Nyzul weapons use the same system, but that kind of seems ultra-faggish to require it for the AU Relic weapon AND the final boss of a previously fairly casual system.

If you have to keep the lamps up (still untested), it's going to suck, but at least it offers the possibility of one/two fights > done without having to go kill medusa, chariots, and skullfuck gadalar to get his serpent general title early.

(Oh yeah, they're adding Gaddyfags serpent quest, that would be awesome to require a title you can't even get til an update months after the monster was added, while we're speculating, maybe Gad's title will be needed to debuff AV?)

[Khamsin]

If you have to keep the lamps up (still untested)

The first time PW was fought, a lamp was left up and he respawned as the same Chariot.

[Max™]

1 lamp, some (7) were not up, I only stick with the idea because it's untested and the number of lamps had an effect, so it would be nice to see if it is all or nothing or not.

So far, killing all of them doesn't seem terribly promising, though viable strats can be found for it, it could still turn into a 15 hour marathon.


Basically: If killing all makes him change forms every time, and killing all but 1 made him repeat a form, what does killing 0 do? Does even damaging them effect it?

Either theory sucks, and I mean hard, I don't do salvage (War onry, yay Are's!), my LS doesn't have a hardcore group salvaging, and has negative interest in ToAU kings, we might have the general titles, we rarely lose the asscandy (what about servers that don't lose it, isn't there still an undefeated server?) to get those titles, and it is a limited number of people who can even GET that title.

So, we could beat everything up to PW, and get asspounded because we don't possess several useless titles, a few rather rare titles, and choose not to do/have little interest in a few events?

That will suck hard.

Why would a system so casual and doable on your time require you to lose the asscandy to each faction, get it back with someone in YOUR group, kill the three AU kings, kill all four chariots, and then get a few more casual titles?

[ronin sparthos]

i find it strange that so few pop sets have been obtained thus far.. i mean.. the drop rate is bad and all.. but i guess no LS is really pressing to try PW somehow.. also, like no reports of any JP LS ever popping him yet either. I'd imagine theres alot of commited JP ls out there too.. i guess JP button hasn't been working so well lately..

...anyway um.. i think Kaylia's Title theory seems to be the most sound theory that should probably tested first..
seeing as how SE loves playing with group numbers.. 18 different titles for 18 different forms.. perhaps.. trying to draw relations to titles here.. lemme see..

known transformations:

1) Armored Chariot - Sun Charioteer
2) Battleclad Chariot - Star Charioteer
3) Long-Armed Chariot - Moon Charioteer
4) Long-Bowed Chariot - Comet Charioteer
5) Acrolith - Subduer of Undead Swarm
6) Mamool Hussy - Subduer of Mamool Ja
7) Troll Hammer guy - Subduer of the Trolls
8) Medusa - Gorgonstone Sunderer
9) Zazarg - Stoneserpent Shocktrooper
10) Gadalar - Branded by the Five Serpents? (he doesn't have his own flameserpent title)

Those we don't know of... lets assume there are 18 in total (cos 18 in a full alliance)

1) Gurfurlur - Troll Subjugator
2) Gulool Jajaja - Shining Scale Rifler
3) Najelith - Galeserpent Guardian
4) Rughadjeen - Skyserpent Aggrandizer
5) Mihli - Springserpent Sentry..

for the last 3.. i don't think they'd actually repeat the HNMs, because those have been accounted for in T4 of the ZNM system.. I also don't think they'd use Odin (because he's like really special) nor Alexander (cos hes the final boss of the expansion after all).. so the only thing I could come up with left from ToA which is high level and rewards titles... is this..
the 3 ToA job limit break 5 quests...

- Raubahn (BLU) - Master of Ambition
- Qultada (COR) - Master of Chance
- Shamarhaan (PUP) - Master of Manipulation

conveniently comes in a set of 3 as well.. (the even numbered 4 for chariots is offset by the 5 serpent generals.. to still give a total of 18...)

and if the theory is correct, what it does is it cuts the battle time significantly for those groups which have the titles.. allowing them (if you manage to have all 18 titles in your group at 1 time) to skip all the way to the real Pandemonium Warden, the Dvergr who drops stuff..
sounds like something SE would do....

can't wait for the next PW attempt so we figure out more about him

SE stated that Galadar would be getting his own quest after the next update so perhaps for now you cant skip him but once his quest is up and running with a title that he'd be subject to being skipped over for having his title present.

[Raithen]

Why would a system so casual and doable on your time require you to lose the asscandy to each faction, get it back with someone in YOUR group, kill the three AU kings, kill all four chariots, and then get a few more casual titles?

It sounds like you're assuming all titles or bust. What's wrong with having to go through a few forms of the boss before getting to kill it? Can't make it too easy. Someone seriously needs to test this title theory.