Pandemonium Warden - The aftermath theories.

[Gere]

Pandemonium surely doesn't imply a 10 hour slog through repetition and dullness. That's a new definition of the word to me.

Pandemonium means "all demons" so it seems pretty appropriate to me.

[Kkel]

A couple people did.

Did anyone turn in the plates they got from it to Sanraku? I'd kind of laugh if the unknown drops came from trading Soulplates of PWs forms rather than from actually killing PW itself. <_<

[Maxxthepenguin]

Pandemonium means "all demons" so it seems pretty appropriate to me.

Oh shit, you might be right

Fuck >_>

So did you try any kills w/o killing any lamps? I doubt it will work, but who knows.

Also, can somebody who has the skills do a double check of the models to see if there is a new model that incorporates all these different, disparate models?

[ronin sparthos]

Titles being the lockout would be funny since at this point most people would have all 4 chariot titles and the general titles are easy quests so he'd lose half his forms if it really worked like that.

[Xersus]

Traded in plates for 1 zeni....... others were 26 zeni. I took several of the PW and his lamps. Nothing special =X

[Sagacious Sundi]

no it was other lamias

Did they also look like Medusa or a normal Lamia? I'm wondering if we can group these by what kind of lamps they have. (Chariots - gears, Mamool/Troll/Acrolith - smaller versions, Medusa - ?, generals - troopers w/ the same weapon as them) And then maybe there's a way to only fight 1 from each set.

[Rama]

Each time the 'Professor X' PW re-popped he was back at 100% no matter what dmg had been done to him before. Upon pop, he would Cackle -> Hellsnap and leave. Nukes on the Dvergr's lamps were completely resisted (Thunder III -> the pandy lamp resists the spell). All stuns that I saw on PW Dvergr were resists.

Melee DMG on the lamps was good in most forms. However the support requirements to keep a melee alive in all that AOE is very high.

Did they also look like Medusa or a normal Lamia? I'm wondering if we can group these by what kind of lamps they have. (Chariots - gears, Mamool/Troll/Acrolith - smaller versions, Medusa - ?, generals - troopers w/ the same weapon as them) And then maybe there's a way to only fight 1 from each set.

The lamia following medusa were normal lamia, seemed RDM & BLM job, or possibly just RDM with Tier 4 nukes.

[Chupunpupun]

So much for shenlong and hachiryu body being easily attainable. Back to destroyers and shura togi.

[Therin]

50,000 Alexandrites now seems to be plausible with no fix.

What does this have to do with anything? @_@

[LD]

Ridiculously Difficult Mob.
Ridiculously High Requirement.

Both are in TOA and were added in the last update.


IMO, comparing this to 50k alexander is kinda overstating, since odds are good this will be completed before the year is out.

[Tyrath]

Wow, that just seems to be way too much.

[Theenabler]

How did u manage to dmg Dvergr pande? Other group made it seem like there was absolutely no way u could do anything before hellsnap hit anyone, and it would transform while everyone was stunned.

[Virtuous Saint]

the fight itself wasn't even difficult, just extremely repetitive and more of an endurance fight lol. a lot of us had to go to work in less than 1 hour <_>;

You say the fight was easy even tho you were making it draw-in to the center of the room instead of fighting all straight up. Sorry to say but it might be a little harder if you aren't basically explioting the system of draw-in, instead fighting them all at the same time in the room. Maybe you can tell us how it was so easy after you do this.

[Therin]

You say the fight was easy even tho you were making it draw-in to the center of the room instead of fighting all straight up. Sorry to say but it might be a little harder if you aren't basically explioting the system of draw-in, and instead fighting them all at the same time in the room. Maybe you can tell us how it was so easy after you do this.

You can solo stall Khimaira this way too. He's been out for a long time and they haven't adjusted it, so I doubt they really care.

[Lyn]

How did u manage to dmg Dvergr pande? Other group made it seem like there was absolutely no way u could do anything before hellsnap hit anyone, and it would transform while everyone was stunned.

We prepared to spam him before he popped, and he doesn't stun everyone. When he pops he stays out for 10 seconds (give or take).

[Demosthenes11]

So as it stands this is probably what to do unless it starts repeating phases

[Dankster]

You say the fight was easy even tho you were making it draw-in to the center of the room instead of fighting all straight up. Sorry to say but it might be a little harder if you aren't basically explioting the system of draw-in, instead fighting them all at the same time in the room. Maybe you can tell us how it was so easy after you do this.

The fight was easy. Alot of the time our kiters just loop'd around and didnt use the drawn-in because at times it did more harm than good, the one hallway comes around it is a loop its SE's fault for making it draw you in, it would be better if it didnt. As for strait tanking it I'm sure we could, we can strait tank kb vrtra too but we dont because we dont have to. There was some harder groups for sure the trolls with them dam hammers spamming hammer-go-round was difficult but for most of the waves like the chariot/gears we had a handful of deaths max.. it was just long and boring with no end in sight and the sun was coming up. You can make any fight harder if you want to, thats up to you.

"Fafnir is easy!" "Why dont you try tanking him from the back" dur dur dur

[Virtuous Saint]

The fight was easy. Alot of the time our kiters just loop'd around and didnt use the drawn-in because at times it did more harm than good, the one hallway comes around it is a loop its SE's fault for making it draw you in, it would be better if it didnt. As for strait tanking it I'm sure we could, we can strait tank kb vrtra too but we dont because we dont have to. There was some harder groups for sure the trolls with them dam hammers spamming hammer-go-round was difficult but for most of the waves like the chariot/gears we had a handful of deaths max.. it was just long and boring with no end in sight and the sun was coming up. You can make any fight harder if you want to, thats up to you.

"Fafnir is easy!" "Why dont you try tanking him from the back" dur dur dur

Yep, it is SE's fault, but don't say shit is easy because you exploit it plz^^ That is like saying AV was a joke when someone used wall of justice, and that was far from the way it was meant to be fought. Sure you can fight things retarded ways, or easy ways, but an exploit is different than fighting Fafnir on the front leg, Fafnir has a specific move devoted to its tail, fighting it there is being stupid, but fighting in front of it is not an exploit.

[Lyn]

You're really annoying.

[Rama]

Yep, it is SE's fault, but don't say shit is easy because you exploit it plz^^ That is like saying AV was a joke when someone used wall of justice, and that was far from the way it was meant to be fought. Sure you can fight things retarded ways, or easy ways, but an exploit is different than fighting Fafnir on the front leg, Fafnir has a specific move devoted to its tail, fighting it there is being stupid, but fighting in front of it is not an exploit.

If it did not draw in, you could run the large loop of the map and it would be easier. With the position reset/draw in, you take shots from some of the lamps that were lagging behind. They implemented the draw-in to prevent the easy kite of the large circle, so this is the kite left available for you. If your title is truly Virtuous Saint it is due to an exploit of some form or another and you can stop your self-righteous tirade. Once you've straight tanked PW + 8x lamps, you may come give us a lesson.