Pandemonium Warden - The aftermath theories.

[RKenshin]

I've been too busy since the PW fight to put up an update .

I have some time tonight, I'll see how much I can get done.

[orson]

If you mean screenshots there are several. If you mean with ST then yes it has been discussed many times and as far as anyone can tell it does nothing, reading the thread will provide all the answers to your questions. Or at least answers to the questions already asked.

Nah I meant the whole ZNM is focused on those soultrappers I meant taking picts with those.

[shukuffxi]

Man how could y'all fall for that, BRP with a girlfriend.

[Kaslo]

Nah I meant the whole ZNM is focused on those soultrappers I meant taking picts with those.

hence why he refered to soultrappers by saying ST

[orson]

hence why he refered to soultrappers by saying ST

He asked which I was referring to I told him I'm not sure what your point is.

As for the soultrapper being discussed all I can tell is that it's been discussed I never saw anyone saying that they've used it during the fights. It is possible I guess that I missed it but it's not hard for some just to say, "yes, and it did nothing," but whatever, people have the right to act superior to make themselves feel good.

[ismarc]

He asked which I was referring to I told him I'm not sure what your point is.

As for the soultrapper being discussed all I can tell is that it's been discussed I never saw anyone saying that they've used it during the fights. It is possible I guess that I missed it but it's not hard for some just to say, "yes, and it did nothing," but whatever, people have the right to act superior to make themselves feel good.

I'm too lazy to find the spot right now, but someone ST it and turned it in for low-no points. In addition, it had no noticeable impact on the fight (wasn't BtL's attempt)

[orson]

I'm too lazy to find the spot right now, but someone ST it and turned it in for low-no points. In addition, it had no noticeable impact on the fight (wasn't BtL's attempt)

Thanks for the info I guess I'll have to take a double check at what they did.

[zoobernut]

I'm too lazy to find the spot right now, but someone ST it and turned it in for low-no points. In addition, it had no noticeable impact on the fight (wasn't BtL's attempt)

Ismarc is correct and what I was referring to when I said it was tried and found to do nothing in my post. Though it might have been said in the ZNM thread rather than this one.

[Fridell]

It feels 18+ hours to take something down is WRONG, and shouldnt be like that, some error in all this, what Sundi said about AV is maybe some error aswell.

And, IF SE sucks so goddam much, its easy to cancel your account and not play, really.
I'm getting tired of "FUCK SE" etc etc over and over again, if it is that bad...quit then ffs.

[Bozo]

I did not see this mentioned before but heres an idea that came to me on how to briing the lamps down faster.

AoE Skill chaining on lamps with -ga 3 magic bursts. Basically it would focus on AoE weaponskills such as Circle Blade, Cyclone, the other ones I forget the name of and so on. Possibly a SAM or /SAM which can get TP fast by spamming meditate etc. It's a simple thing to do, either a SAM can do Sekkanoki or you could have two or more people cooperating to create the skillchain. If the skillchain is timed correctly it should hit ALL the lamps creating the skill chain on every lamp, BLM's should have the corresponding spell type prepared to -ga 3 magic burst. Example: Cyclone + Cyclone = Detonation which can be magic bursted by Aeroga 3.

That's just another idea I had. It can be easily tested if it hasn't already.

[Lordwafik]

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[Charismatic]

I did not see this mentioned before but heres an idea that came to me on how to briing the lamps down faster.

AoE Skill chaining on lamps with -ga 3 magic bursts. Basically it would focus on AoE weaponskills such as Circle Blade, Cyclone, the other ones I forget the name of and so on. Possibly a SAM or /SAM which can get TP fast by spamming meditate etc. It's a simple thing to do, either a SAM can do Sekkanoki or you could have two or more people cooperating to create the skillchain. If the skillchain is timed correctly it should hit ALL the lamps creating the skill chain on every lamp, BLM's should have the corresponding spell type prepared to -ga 3 magic burst. Example: Cyclone + Cyclone = Detonation which can be magic bursted by Aeroga 3.

That's just another idea I had. It can be easily tested if it hasn't already.

You might want to learn a thing or two about the game mechanics before you post stupid shit.
...oh wait, too late for that.

[bercus]

Do you want to explain him or should I?

[DragonCloud64]

X-play just did a quick rundown of it on G4.

Oh, whatd they say about it?

[Massimo]

I did not see this mentioned before but heres an idea that came to me on how to briing the lamps down faster.

AoE Skill chaining on lamps with -ga 3 magic bursts. Basically it would focus on AoE weaponskills such as Circle Blade, Cyclone, the other ones I forget the name of and so on. Possibly a SAM or /SAM which can get TP fast by spamming meditate etc. It's a simple thing to do, either a SAM can do Sekkanoki or you could have two or more people cooperating to create the skillchain. If the skillchain is timed correctly it should hit ALL the lamps creating the skill chain on every lamp, BLM's should have the corresponding spell type prepared to -ga 3 magic burst. Example: Cyclone + Cyclone = Detonation which can be magic bursted by Aeroga 3.

That's just another idea I had. It can be easily tested if it hasn't already.

Nice idea, we should definitely try this!

Send Ruke a PM with the strategy, so they can give it a shot, next time they pop him.

[Bozo]

You might want to learn a thing or two about the game mechanics before you post stupid shit.
...oh wait, too late for that.

Err, you might want to try it before shooting me down, I've seen skill chains being made in AoE and have done it myself.

[chesh]

Err, you might want to try it before shooting me down, I've seen skill chains being made in AoE and have done it myself.

You're missing the point.

[Bozo]

You're missing the point.

Then instead of people being jerks how about someone tells me what the problem is with my theory ;o

[chesh]

Then instead of people being jerks how about someone tells me what the problem is with my theory ;o

I don't feel like finding the specific quotes, so I will paraphrase the last 15 pages:
Some of the best-skilled and best-geared players fought this thing for 18 hours, doing approximately 500-600k damage an hour. That's a total of 9,000,000 to 10,800,000 damage. They did fine through the first 15 forms or so but then it got really hard; Cerberus, using Gates of Hades from 100%, was the easy one. Then the lamps respawned and wiped the alliance.

Killing the lamps is the least of the problems. Maybe a more efficient method (leaving aside whether your idea is it or not) would cut an hour or two out of the fight, but that still makes it a war of attrition in which the game will outlast any group of baseline humans.

In short, "I don't think you understand what 'we fought it for 18 hours straight' means."

[Bozo]

I've read all 32 pages of this thread, I'm well aware it was an 18 hour fight, you are all amazing players who participated, it is ridiculously hard. I understand the lamps are the easiest part, I was just thinking of a way to cut down the time spent on them. (Even though the fight would still be ridiculously long.) Perhaps I should have been more clear when I posted my idea it was specifically to try and cut down time spent on lamps. Sorry for being unclear.