Pandemonium Warden - The aftermath theories.

[Archimond]

fighting behemoth at 75 is easy, lets fight it with level 50s to make it hard!

you have no point worth defending, dont bother....

edit: av has only been taken down once using a true exploit, the rest are just normal game mechanics or broken code neither of which constitute the title of being an exploit

..... moving on..

[Aldaris]

fighting behemoth at 75 is easy, lets fight it with level 50s to make it hard!

you have no point worth defending, dont bother....

edit: av has only been taken down once using a true exploit, the rest are just normal game mechanics or broken code neither of which constitute the title of being an exploit

..... moving on..

You so Faced him good!

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[Virtuous Saint]

yeah you guys are morons.

[Aldaris]

yeah you guys are morons.

How Original!

[Charismatic]

You guys really are missing the point that he's trying to make... or at least it definitely seems like you are by the responses.
I don't really agree with the guy but I'm fucking laughing my ass off at the comparisons you guys are making because they don't really fit.

[Lyn]

What comparisons didn't fit?

[pugnax179]

SE lives to torment us and waste our time

[Dankster]

Fact is it is better to kite this fight, like it or not. Like I said the drawn-in is more of a burdon then a help, but you are forced to deal with it, you arent exploiting it to win it just gets in your way and you have to deal with it.

[Jackyl]

You guys really are missing the point that he's trying to make... or at least it definitely seems like you are by the responses.
I don't really agree with the guy but I'm fucking laughing my ass off at the comparisons you guys are making because they don't really fit.

/sigh. The 'point' he is trying to make is not a valid point. I don't think my friends have made it very clear, so let me try it again. The draw-in move of PW makes this fight HARDER. We had to 'deal' with draw-in by letting it happen; it wasn't used to make the fight easier. If PW did NOT have draw-in, this fight would be even easier.

Now, go pop PW and get some more info please. Less arguing, more killing.

[Virtuous Saint]

/sigh. The 'point' he is trying to make is not a valid point. I don't think my friends have made it very clear, so let me try it again. The draw-in move of PW makes this fight HARDER. We had to 'deal' with draw-in by letting it happen; it wasn't used to make the fight easier. If PW did NOT have draw-in, this fight would be even easier.

Now, go pop PW and get some more info please. Less arguing, more killing.

That is like saying the wall of justice is just something that 'gets in the way' and if the draw-in made pandemonium harder then why in the hell would you use it? You can't say 'it is ok because it is in the way' lol If they don't want you to kite it out of the room, and placed a draw-in because of that they didn't want people to use it to exploit i assure you. As it has been stated on this, and from what I read you can use that to completely not get hit ever if you do it right, and someone in this thread said you were using that, and nuking lamps as they went by.

[Lyn]

You're really annoying.

[Theenabler]

That is like saying the wall of justice is just something that 'gets in the way'

Oh noes, their making valid points! Lets make up stuff that has no relevance and makes no sense!

[Lahina]

That is like saying the wall of justice is just something that 'gets in the way' .... As it has been stated on this, and from what I read you can use that to completely not get hit ever if you do it right, and someone in this thread said you were using that, and nuking lamps as they went by.

So instead of running in circles around the outside of the room, and nuking it without getting hit, or kiting it in the tunnel outside the room, and nuking it without getting hit...

They're kiting it back and forth in a straight line, and nuking it without getting hit.

Wow, this is a difference. And Christ on a pogo stick, you're a retard.

[Therin]

That is like saying the wall of justice is just something that 'gets in the way' and if the draw-in made pandemonium harder then why in the hell would you use it? You can't say 'it is ok because it is in the way' lol If they don't want you to kite it out of the room, and placed a draw-in because of that they didn't want people to use it to exploit i assure you. As it has been stated on this, and from what I read you can use that to completely not get hit ever if you do it right, and someone in this thread said you were using that, and nuking lamps as they went by.

Oh noes, their making valid points! Lets make up stuff that has no relevance and makes no sense!

Seriously, this guy can't read.

[Theenabler]

Seriously, this guy can't read.

Explain to me how the wall of justice, in any way, harmed the fighting of AV. The draw in from pande is what makes the fight difficult, and they used the draw in to their advantage to make the fight easier. The wall was just used to make the fight easier, it never "Got in the way" of anything. Theres a big difference.

[Jackyl]

That is like saying the wall of justice is just something that 'gets in the way' and if the draw-in made pandemonium harder then why in the hell would you use it? You can't say 'it is ok because it is in the way' lol If they don't want you to kite it out of the room, and placed a draw-in because of that they didn't want people to use it to exploit i assure you. As it has been stated on this, and from what I read you can use that to completely not get hit ever if you do it right, and someone in this thread said you were using that, and nuking lamps as they went by.

This is why people should try things for themselves before trying to talk shit. There is no way to avoid getting hit at all times. In fact, BECAUSE of the draw-in, you end up getting hit.

Ok, let me put it this way. There are 3 theoretical ways to kite. 1) kite through the tunnel in a looping fashion. 2) kite in the big oval room only. 3) kite while be teleported through the draw-in. Of the 3 options, the first is the best option. However, only 2 are possible because of the draw-in built into PW. Of the two options that are left , the draw-in kite method is slightly better because of the oval/narrow shape of the room and the behavior of the lamps in certain situations.

If you wish to continue calling it an 'exploit,' I can't stop you. I guess your issue is that we're calling the fight 'easy' while using the draw-in as part of the strategy. We said it was easy because that's what it was, easy. Not sure what you're looking to get out of this argument. Our confession and QQing about how hard the fight was?...

[aurik]

This is where Virtuous Saint stops trolling the thread.

[Guitarman]

Haha aurik did you ban his ass?

Jackyl Richardd or anyone from SA: Did PW use any moves through all its forms? Like say Hellsnap in every form etc?

[blackomega]

Haha aurik did you ban his ass?

Jackyl Richardd or anyone from SA: Did PW use any moves through all its forms? Like say Hellsnap in every form etc?

only used moves that his current form had