Pandemonium Warden - The aftermath theories.

[Raithen]

It summoned all 8 elemental avatars (no Diabolos). Not like it really matters, but if anyone is actually looking at memory on Seraph there shouldn't be any confusion.

This is from Hank's screenshot on page 21, labeled with ultimate MS Paint skills:
http://i169.photobucket.com/albums/u...0081850pc2.png

[Jaceot]

Camoflauged Carbuncles Batman! Good eye.

However it does look like it does summon diablos, i see his wing between ifrit and ramuh, but he looks all short and stuff. Theres also a untaken "Pandemonium warden Lamp" by miggs's name, above hanks, which is probably actually carbuncles, fenrir's is what is labeled as carbuncles, and short diablos is fenrirs?!

but yeah it doesnt really matter! you still gonna get owned. would mean theres 13 unused lamps though...

[FailureMidgard]

Ruke's LJ said that they tried to take the lamps down again after the astral flows, hoping it was a one time thing but then found out that the resummoned lamps were much much harder than the initial lamps, that's where they gave up.

His LJ doesn't explicitly state they were harder, just that they only barely managed to kill 1 after losing the "adrenaline, excitement, and motivation".

[Zoot]

They spammed GA 3 and stun aoe, as far as I remember. It was pretty nasty.

[Denchi]

Sorry this may be digressing a little bit, but I'm curious. Doesn't Blackice have Aegis + Excal? I don't see him using either in most of the screenshots.

[Max™]

I was gonna say, Kirin has raped my ass with Carby/Searing Light a couple times, it's always the nastiest from my experience, never had any other AF do more than 1k.

[ronin sparthos]

I was gonna say, Kirin has raped my ass with Carby/Searing Light a couple times, it's always the nastiest from my experience, never had any other AF do more than 1k.

I will totally agree with this statement about Carby doing consistently the most damage -.-

[Blackice]

Sorry this may be digressing a little bit, but I'm curious. Doesn't Blackice have Aegis + Excal? I don't see him using either in most of the screenshots.

Lol, I wish. I don't have a relic yet, however the relic I'm working towards now is Bravura.

[Denchi]

Lol, I wish. I don't have a relic yet, however the relic I'm working towards now is Bravura.

Ah ok. I found out I was thinking of Tekki. All Galka's look the same.

[Max™]

I will totally agree with this statement about Carby doing consistently the most damage -.-

Scares the shit out of me when I used to do Dyna, and one of the Smn's would pop a Carby.

I'd wince and wait for the horrible fucking violence to come... then realise it was a friendly Carby.

Also: Fuck yeah, Bravura!

[miokomioko]

I thought Mithra/Galka/Hume/Elvaan/Tarutaru were light-based... I always wondered why it seems players are weakest to light-elemental damage, hence Searing Light being such bullshit.

[Max™]

Comedy, that's all I can think of.

"Hey, let's change the base damage value for monster Searing Light only!"
'Ok, that would be hilarious, cute little carby as THE FUCKING DESTROYER OF WORLDS!'
"I love you, want to make out?"
'Of course I do.'
*mmmggfffffsquishynoises and hard slapping meatpacking sounds*

[Maxxthepenguin]

Question: If pande lamps seem to have weird hate, can AoE spells actually be useful? Could some Thundaga III action help make the fight only be 12 hours?

[arshesney]

I'm nowhere near being able to fight PW myself, but what if lamps and PW itself had 1/10th of the HP they have now? Would this keep the fight challenging in a reasonable way? Maybe they just mad an horrible typo (they didn't, I know)

[Theenabler]

Question: If pande lamps seem to have weird hate, can AoE spells actually be useful? Could some Thundaga III action help make the fight only be 12 hours?

I beleive they were using AOE alot, and also to the person above me, this would make killing them quite easy with aoe if u have a good amount of blms, or so it seems.

[miokomioko]

If the lamps were ga-killable by like 10~12 BLMs, I think that would drop the fights down to what... 15~30minute kills on each form? x20? 5~10 hours is still way too fucking long, in my opinion. Any single fight with one HNM over 2 hours or so is stupid. Raids like Dynamis can go over a few hours because you are in fights with mutliple mobs and not all at once, you have breaks, you are getting drops here and there, you're not just tied up in one constant battle where people can't even evacuate their bowels without having died.

[Kaylia]

Question: If pande lamps seem to have weird hate, can AoE spells actually be useful? Could some Thundaga III action help make the fight only be 12 hours?

Keep in mind thundaga on 8 targets do ~50% dmg. You would need a fuck ton of blm to make up for the damage lost.

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And magic nerf is going to hurt you even more if you land 36 nukes at the same time >_>

[Sekkite]

Edit: Wrong thread.

[Theenabler]

If the lamps were ga-killable by like 10~12 BLMs, I think that would drop the fights down to what... 15~30minute kills on each form? x20? 5~10 hours is still way too fucking long, in my opinion. Any single fight with one HNM over 2 hours or so is stupid. Raids like Dynamis can go over a few hours because you are in fights with mutliple mobs and not all at once, you have breaks, you are getting drops here and there, you're not just tied up in one constant battle where people can't even evacuate their bowels without having died.

Lamps are the main challenge of the fight though, cutting them down to 1 shotable mobs from aga would be stupid, all you would need is a hoard of blms and then just fight PW, which wouldn't be nearly as hard. Cutting down forms or dropping pop items would definitally be the notable changes they could make.

[BRP]

When fighting pande you are not fighting one monster. In a sense it is it exactly like Dynamis or whatever type of raid you want to compare it to. I think anything over 5 hours for a competent LS is wrong(maybe okay on the first try). But a very long and varied fight isn't bad. That's the way SE should do it if they want to keep it as the highest tier of endgame to which separates the good and the very best(er, dedicated) Linkshells.

Nerf Pande too much and you get another 3-min fight(oh, maybe spread over 20 times, like it matters). I know plenty of people here who want exactly that, but that's admitting to dumbing down the game rather than making this realistically playable.

Anyway, cutting down lamp HP doesn't have to make them vulnerable to ga-killing. Maybe some set of lamps would be(no problem there really, so many to go around), but some could be resistant enough that it would take several volleys for 10 or 12 BLMs to kill them... which means a lot of dead BLMs and a shaky strategy at best.