Pandemonium Warden - The aftermath theories.

[further]

I think the title theory is very interesting... It would definitely have to be CURRENT title, as I am pretty sure most all of our LS have a lot of the corresponding titles that, in theory, would "cancel out" a group of mobs. (Salvage titles, for example. Most all of our members have all 4)

I am pretty positive we were not killing it the "intended" or "easy" way. (duh? lol) There MUST be some trick to shorteneing the fight...

I could definitely see SE making a mob that could be killed multiple ways, one of which is completely ridiculous... (ridiculous=10+hours of fighting)

PW is like an AV that beats your face in with TIME/BOREDOM instead of Aeroga 4......

[notEtheron]

His last form will be AV. And when his tainted spirit finds its destination, he will topple the master of that dark place. From his black throne, he will lash together a machine of bone and blood, and fueled by SEs hatred for you this fear engine will bore a hole between this world and that one.

When it begins, you will hear the sound of children screaming—as though from a great distance. A smoking orb of nothing will grow above your bed, and from it will emerge a thousand starving crows. As he slips through the widening maw in his new form, you will catch only a glimpse of his radiance before you are incinerated. Then, as tears of bubbling pitch stream down his face, his dark work will begin.

He will open one of his six mouths, and he will sing the song that ends Vana'diel.

I stopped reading the thread after this. A true masterpiece! Great username too

[aurik]

Your sig is 6 MB. Please change it.

[Jkun]

Shenlong baghs better not drop off this douche

lol DDDDD: Sellable AV drops...so I wouldn't be surprised...

Then again this makes AV look like a joke.

[Maxxthepenguin]

lol DDDDD: Sellable AV drops...so I wouldn't be surprised...

Then again this makes AV look like a joke.

Wait, what?

[Katlan]

(Don't have anything to add) But I'm glad another LS stuck it out for so long to learn about the different forms & more about the fight. Was an interesting monday-morning work read! I highly doubt its intended to be an 8hr+ long fight, because the drops (or what I'm assuming him to drop) don't seem to be that worthy. I look forward to hearing more about the fight and to PW's eventual defeat!

[Jkun]

When AV dies, he dies. When Pande dies, he doesn't die. Well, for now.

gdi this new forum is annoying. Was quoting Maxx.

[Maxxthepenguin]

Wait, AV dies?

Since when?

[Jkun]

Wait, AV dies?

Since when?

YOU KNOW WUT I MEAN stop being awkward.

[aznmajiktaru]

don't see how this makes av look like a joke lol... barring i've never fought PW but by all accounts PW isn't hard rather than time consuming. Hours of mind numbingly ass fuck while you kill lamps then PW and wait for him to rechange again. At the end of the tunnel we're hoping that after however many changes he'll die, either that or there's some trick to it.

AV, on the other hand, just plain fucks you up. In terms of difficulty PW is decently hard with the adds but AV is just broken ;p

Most plausible and easiest method to check right now though is to have whoever's popping PW get the first chariot title to see if he'll skip that form on pop. Other than that I don't think there's many theories that seem plausible so far ;<

[Max™]

Wow, soooo...

Anyone wanna try killing PW with the Lamps up?

The title thing sounds plausible, I have the Babban title myself, and love Lyco's pollinating me... but do Acrolith's give any titles?

Oops, that's a big hole.

So far, killing all the lamps and PW repops him as a new mob in the chain, he laughs, he snaps, you do it again... he laughs, he snaps, you do it again.


After doing the fight that long, would it be that hard to whittle down the PW form with all the lamps up and intact/undamaged?


I kinda did suggest this idea before, people thought they'd have to kill all the lamps, that produced an endless fight... so just a thought, roll the idea around in your head.

Pandemonium meaning all demons, or chaotic place... leave all the lamps up, that's a chaotic place, he laughs at you when you beat the lamps then him, like it was a joke, then resets the joke.

Good try guys, thanks for the lost exp and information, and kudos on the 3 step light SC death, Jackyl. :D

[Sagacious Sundi]

Jkun's just saying that AV has died before, and this thing just doesn't want to. (No, no, don't get into "wall of justice", "SE changed AV", or "we still don't know everything about the PW"; that wasn't their point.)

Also, I don't get this "first chariot" people are talking about. For the first group it was a battleclad/battledressed chariot, for the second group it was an armored/shielded chariot.

EDIT: To the above/Max: "Subduer of the Undead Swarm" could fit for acroliths. The only one so far that doesn't really fit for the title idea is Gadalar, but maybe Rughadjeen isn't a form. Personally, I'm not a fan of the title idea. Maybe if you kill the lamps as a group (and maybe even + the warden) a la Ying & Yang, Bhaflau - 3F gears, or Hrungnir, something special happens.

[Izzy]

I only know what I saw, and what I saw was Kirin still chasing the same tank after that 20 minutes and the CFH marker on the radar disappeared. We kept dots on so there would have still been persistent hate there as well.

Your logic fails, good sir.

No logic, simple game mechanics. Basically I'm POIDHing you since there are no reports of this ever happening in the past.

[Kaylia]

Wow, soooo...

Anyone wanna try killing PW with the Lamps up?

The title thing sounds plausible, I have the Babban title myself, and love Lyco's pollinating me... but do Acrolith's give any titles?

Oops, that's a big hole.

So far, killing all the lamps and PW repops him as a new mob in the chain, he laughs, he snaps, you do it again... he laughs, he snaps, you do it again.


After doing the fight that long, would it be that hard to whittle down the PW form with all the lamps up and intact/undamaged? :D

Acrolith and wivre (with mamool) are besieged mobs, and the only besieged title is from the Astral Recovery BC.

[Max™]

Yeah, the hammar trolls are Besieged bastards too (haaated them), so the Title theory has some big flaws.

My oft pooh-poohed idea about leaving all the lamps up just got the biggest argument against it dealt a potentially fatal blow.

If you are supposed to just keep killing it for hours and hours, it better also drop a king abjuration or five, and crap out a million gil and 50,000 exp to everyone who fought it.

On the other hand... you might just need to manage the Lamps and kill the Warden, which would take what, an hour?

[Starless]

Yeah, the hammar trolls are Besieged bastards too (haaated them), so the Title theory has some big flaws.

The Wivre Riders, Hammer Trolls and Acroliths could be linked with Subduer of the Mamool Ja,
Subduer of the Trolls, and Subduer of the Undead Swarm (obtaining the asscandy via each faction's BCNM)

[Max™]

So, replying to the edit.

Collect every title related to AU mobs, including losing the asscandy to each faction and recovering it with someone in your ally, kite it around, whittle it down, hope you didn't miss any, or that it won't respawn as a mob if the title isn't in alliance and someone DC's...

Or

Deal with the lamps without killing them and try to take down PW.


Same as the last situation, one of these theories is much easier to test, though I would definitely suggest people have as many titles in the ally showing as possible next pop, kill two birds with one stone, or two dvergrs with one attempt?

[Sagacious Sundi]

Yeah, the hammar trolls are Besieged bastards too (haaated them), so the Title theory has some big flaws.

Uh, there's 3 Besieged titles, so the only flaw so far is Gadalar:
-The command chariots: Salvage charioteer titles
-Mamool Ja hussar: Subduer of the Mamool Ja
-Troll destroyer: Subduer of the Trolls
-Acrolith: Subduer of the Undead Swarm
-Medusa: Gorgonstone Sunderer
-Zazarg: Stoneserpent Shocktrooper
-Gadalar: Skyserpent Aggrandizier? (if Rughadjeen doesn't appear)
Other possible transformations:
-Gulool Ja Ja: Shining Scale Rifler
-Gurfurlur: Troll Subjugater
-Najelith: Galeserpent Guardian
-Mihli Aliapoh: Springserpent Sentry
-Hydra/Cerb/Khim: Duh
-Odin: Elite Einherjar

However, I'm sticking with my "kill lamps and maybe warden as a group" theory for now. <3

EDIT: Darn, beat. I blame the forum for not telling me that someone already posted. >_>

[Jackyl]

Good try guys, thanks for the lost exp and information, and kudos on the 3 step light SC death, Jackyl. :D

Who says I died from the skillchain? the fatass made light on me and the skillchain did 1 dmg to me.

[Norellicus]

No logic, simple game mechanics. Basically I'm POIDHing you since there are no reports of this ever happening in the past.

Well, I can't; it was a one time thing, and short of fraps running the whole time there's not a good way to prove it anyhow.

But yet there are also reports here of it not going yellow as soon as everyone with hate logged off/died...so your claims are not infallible either, thus we are at an impass.