Linkshell Etiquette/Civility

[SephYuyX]

@SephirothYuyX
I'm glad to see that there are instances where the community can implement unofficial rules into play to benefit everyone.
Those newer LS's that just ignore the rules probably don't understand the benefit of it - haha, game theory isn't something that Joe Layman would comprehend without it being distilled for them.
"Durrr, my maximum gain = outclaiming all you n00bs cuz u have no skillz."
If that rule set had gained the support of enough of the HNM community to estabilish legitimacy, then I applaud you guys. On our server, I'm not sure if any rules have every been proposed (then again, I avoid camping Kings like the plague).
Out of curiosity, how did you guys engage the JP community in that process?
For example, our LS generally tries to give another LS the benefit of a full wipe before claiming. A LS popped Despot with like 4 people (NIN, DRK/whm, THF, RDM) and had serious problems, we were there along with another JP LS. The other LS had their PLD shadowing the NIN or whoever had hate (the LS with claim were dying left and right), so we assumed they were probably going to claim the moment Despot when yellow, regardless of whether their THF or RDM or anything were up or not.
I don't speak Japanese, so it would have been difficult to propose to the other LS to either /random for claim or to communicate that we would let the LS with claim to fully wipe before taking it.

Id say 95% of the time things go smoothly at camps, newer LSs usually cuse trouble for a few weeks maybe, but then they either die out, or start to follow the rules; as with any shinning star, they want everything for themsleves, but realize when they screw other people over, they get scred 5x worse, so they learn.

As for the JP, it went over fairly well with them as they were a part of forming these guidlines. An importer in an importer/jp hnmls wrote this up, and then it was overviewed with everyone; the kinks were worked out, and both jp and na hnmls were shown them. When the game first came out everyone was farily civilized about it, I mean yeah, it was a lot harder back then since hnm acted differently, and there was a different mind set, but eventaully everything got on. These rules were written much much later, but they were actually in works very earlly on.

[kyod]

I don't play too much, I'm approaching my third 75 and I've had an account since the summer of 04. I played alot specifically for two years when I was stationed in Korea, the horrible nation that it is. I play a couple times a week now but would I ever play instead of going out with friends or the girlfriend? Of course not, and I don't think people that would rather sit in front of a computer all day should ever be fully accepted. I'm sure that'll be an unpopular opinion here but be serious- it's socially stunting.

Out of all the people I've personally known- as in know them in real life, not through the game- that play alot of FF or WoW, I would call maybe one or two normal. These weren't the cool kids in class, these aren't people that can work on many social levels. They're just, for the most part, not.

Agreed. I still can't fathom how people can play this game for over 12 hours a day for multiple days in a row. One weekend a month when no one IRL is doing anything, I understand. But there are some people that play this game like it's their job (aside from rmt of course...)

[Callisto]

I do want to say one thing that bugs me is the non-instanced Dynamis. Tensions are caused between shells that shouldn't have a reason to have beef with each other because only one group can occupy the zone at the time. There's a couple shells that probably think my group are dicks because we've both shown up at the same time, we were ready to go first because we typically only bring 18-22, and we entered. We've been accused of 'ninjaing' the zone a few times, although we generally make a concerted effort to negotiate for the zone first, but either way there's some people who think we're dicks when we try not to be. Were the system designed better this wouldn't be an issue, and it should be that way.

[Max™]

Oh wow...

I would fucking die laughing to see someone ask someone on the street

"Excuse me, which way is Dairy Queen?"
'lolyourmom n00b'

[Dayson]

Id say 95% of the time things go smoothly at camps, newer LSs usually cuse trouble for a few weeks maybe, but then they either die out, or start to follow the rules; as with any shinning star, they want everything for themsleves, but realize when they screw other people over, they get scred 5x worse, so they learn.

As for the JP, it went over fairly well with them as they were a part of forming these guidlines. An importer in an importer/jp hnmls wrote this up, and then it was overviewed with everyone; the kinks were worked out, and both jp and na hnmls were shown them. When the game first came out everyone was farily civilized about it, I mean yeah, it was a lot harder back then since hnm acted differently, and there was a different mind set, but eventaully everything got on. These rules were written much much later, but they were actually in works very earlly on.

This statement rung true to me. On our server we have several linkshells that have been around for years, and for the most part they do good to adhere to good moral standards, such as waiting for a group to fully wipe before claiming a HNM that goes yellow during a fight.

Its these good moral standards that I see as the main reason why these shells have been around for such a long time.

That being said, I also have seen countless startup linkshells come into the endgame scene with no morals, or regards for anyone else. A good example would be one particular linkshell that made every effort to mpk any linkshell at fafhogg by grabbing darters and causing collision detection to make the HNM spin and ultimately flail.

This particular group became very notorious for their actions, (they were even known by the JP community) and ultimately disbanded with the leader running off with the bank and server hopping.

I notice that as these startup shells come and go, you begin to see a core group of players that go from one to the next. These players have no moral standing toward others and possess the "me me and nobody but myself should get everything" attitude.

The sad thing is some of these players could really care less about their reputation within the server. It just amazes me how nasty and rude people can become when they can hide behind the internet.

[Callisto]

I notice that as these startup shells come and go, you begin to see a core group of players that go from one to the next. These players have no moral standing toward others and possess the "me me and nobody but myself should get everything" attitude.

That's definitely true, there's this same group of 10-20 people that are in a different startup failure shell on our server every month or two, the shell starts, does ok for a bit, then wipes to their first Kirin/Nidhogg/whatever, breaks up, then the same people are in a different /shout endgame shell a few weeks later. Most of this I think has to do with the fact that these players are known fucktards by this time and can't get into or have already been kicked from established/reputable shells. I think part of why they act that way is b/c they're aware that their current shell will only be around for a month or two, so they try to get all they can from it before it asplodes.

[Fahren]

lol I read all this and I get flash backs of my old shell... in order to be respected or treated like a human you needed to have e.body...or a relic or full homam. The leader would call you noob to your face and was a know it all and was *never* wrong even when he clearly was.

The way the sacks ran things was by threatening to break your pearl. If you ever asked for help and were not in the inner circle in that ls which consisted of the sacks and the people who sucked up to them then they wouldn't help or waste time to even respond saying "sorry I'm busy" only time they would really acknowledge you is if you messed up by letting a GoH on cerb go or if you took to much hate then they would yell at you other then that.

Really when did pixels and .dats give you the right to act like an asshole to you're fellow man?

[Callisto]

It's not the .dats, it's the inability for the person you're talking down to to punch you in the face. If we were all forced to play in the same big room this wouldn't happen, lol.

[Fahren]

Yeah probably the way they treat people they wouldn't last 5min in a room with the entire shell before someone blowing up... I know I would~

[Callisto]

Lol...funny that I post about the Dynamis thing yesterday, tonight we try for Xarc and a shell that has taken it the last 2 weeks is doing it again, we asked to /random for the zone and they basically tell us to fuck off. Been trying to do Xarc for over 3 weeks now, lol. They really need to instance this shit.

[nitsuj]

Oh wow...

I would fucking die laughing to see someone ask someone on the street

"Excuse me, which way is Dairy Queen?"
'lolyourmom n00b'

Wait. I'm confused. What's the expected answer to that question?

Seems right to me.

[Kimkytaru]

I think people act like that ingame cause they dont face any consequence. If you act like a retard in real life, there some chance you get punch or yelled at, here in the game there is nothing really that can be done so people feel safe to act like retards.

It's the same in any online game tho, if you look at some racing online (racing is my other passion XD) people are doing stuff they wont do if there were next to you. Cause they know they will have to deal with you after.

[Olo401]

Lol...funny that I post about the Dynamis thing yesterday, tonight we try for Xarc and a shell that has taken it the last 2 weeks is doing it again, we asked to /random for the zone and they basically tell us to fuck off. Been trying to do Xarc for over 3 weeks now, lol. They really need to instance this shit.

I hope it's not that same stupid JP group that used to gank us back in FF..

And btw the whole guidelines thing is a nifty idea.. I doubt it would ever fly on Ramuh though. Our endgame scene is way too fractured from years of asshattery and a flood of server transfer jackasses.

[Callisto]

It was BS, which was wierd to me because I remember them being a really nice, civil group back in the day, but they have a bunch of new people I've never heard of now. I'd never had a problem negotiating or swapping zones with them before, and now they're one of the few shells that ever absolutely refused to work something out(of course all the shells that were civil aside from TI are gone now :/)

Like I said though everyone's got to get theirs, I don't 100% blame them because SE should have designed the system better, it's just that I don't see the need to be rude about it for no reason, there were several members just being outright jerks. It's not like this is a Kings camp.

[Crysius]

Pop invis, run in, drop invis, trade glass, and have everyone run in. If they don't want to compromise....just take the zone.

[Furionstormrage]

Pop invis, run in, drop invis, trade glass, and have everyone run in. If they don't want to compromise....just take the zone.

Eye for an eye. thats funny

[Crysius]

Will make things interesting at the very least.

[Max™]

I thought more servers actually went by the dyna calendar website.

Then lolAftershock moved to Carby and go by the "hah, fuck you, we got here first so we are going in" rule... course, these are people who steal NM's so compulsively they will gank a Tier 1 ZNM someone is duoing... so what can you expect?

[Callisto]

Ramuh has never used any form of Dynamis Calendar, a few shells tried to organize a form of it and a few other shells used that to know when to show up 20 minutes early to ninja zones.

Edit: Haha if I'm not mistaken, the shell you referred to is from Ramuh, so there you go.

[Max™]

Yeah, pretty sure AS is from Ramuh, and yeah, between Carby shells being civil about it and not having to rush to get into zones, and them using the calendar to schedule zone ganks, it's working great.

They've made quite a name for themselves, it's funny when the lolshells on your server suddenly look respectable and upstanding because of a bunch of immigrant bastardcunts.

Couple of nice folks, even talked to a couple of them, but the whole "Fuck everyone else, we don't need to worry about burning bridges if we learn how to swim" attitude is going over great.