KS99: Wyrm glitched?

[Raagy]

Found my GM convo....he was yet another moronic one:

http://i11.photobucket.com/albums/a1...GlitchWyrm.jpg

[rezn0r]

I understand your frustration.

[Air]

ow
Those clueless GMs are always so fun.
p.s.: sup rutia

[BRP]

Did you really expect a GM to "give back" the orb? Even if they admitted a glitch happened, they wouldn't give it back as you still got to use it correctly. The moment you trade it, it is used. Sometimes it seems people just set themselves up for disappointment.


EDIT: Nudity isn't the only requirement for something to be not work safe. Sexually themed pictures work just fine too. Like, say, a woman juggling her breasts?

[Lutia]

Did you really expect a GM to "give back" the orb? Even if they admitted a glitch happened, they wouldn't give it back as you still got to use it correctly. The moment you trade it, it is used. Sometimes it seems people just set themselves up for disappointment.

Or they could just give out 99 KS? Not too much trouble, is it? (No, I was not expecting them to do that)

[Aymee]

Or they could just give out 99 KS? Not too much trouble, is it? (No, I was not expecting them to do that)

...Wait, so you're hoping people get orb/seals back due to a 'bug' that results in people fighting a Wyrm like they'd fight a normal monster? Since wyrms clearly are null and void from having to be fought like every other mob. Depending on how you look at it, the fact the wyrm models are so big and don't turn could be considered the bug--SE just never bothered to fix it or realized there was nothing they could do.

Similar example: LBC... I'm pretty damn sure it's just an in-game 'bug' that causes the turn-to on missle... we just abuse it to make it easier. Sure, I'd be angry if my LBC started facing normally and we got explosives to the face without warning... but I wouldn't report it to a GM. God forbid Wyrms and Chariots might have the same battle style as every other mob.


... btw, I'm not trying to sound bitchy or anything, but we tend to forget that wyrm facing and other similar tricks we use are essentially minor exploits. Instead of being angry over 1 orb failed, be glad SE is too lazy to make it so that every fight is like that.
Edit: Thought of the Alexander BC... but since it very literally can't move, it's not a trick/bug/exploit/whatever that it won't turn to you.

[Stromgarde]

Have you even fought that BC? Or a Wyrm type mob period? Even if you have everyone clump together to avoid the flail, whoever has hate (and whoever is next to them) will eat well over 1k damage from the dead-center dragon breath WS alone.

[Priran]

...Wait, so you're hoping people get orb/seals back due to a 'bug' that results in people fighting a Wyrm like they'd fight a normal monster? Since wyrms clearly are null and void from having to be fought like every other mob. Depending on how you look at it, the fact the wyrm models are so big and don't turn could be considered the bug--SE just never bothered to fix it or realized there was nothing they could do.

rofl wow

[Shojin]

... btw, I'm not trying to sound bitchy or anything, but we tend to forget that wyrm facing and other similar tricks we use are essentially minor exploits.

You're an idiot.

[Kipling]

Right. Because of the mob's AI and tp moves and such it couldn't have possibly been designed to not move as to fight it safely?

You're an idiot.

^ this.

[futan]

...Wait, so you're hoping people get orb/seals back due to a 'bug' that results in people fighting a Wyrm like they'd fight a normal monster? Since wyrms clearly are null and void from having to be fought like every other mob. Depending on how you look at it, the fact the wyrm models are so big and don't turn could be considered the bug--SE just never bothered to fix it or realized there was nothing they could do.

Similar example: LBC... I'm pretty damn sure it's just an in-game 'bug' that causes the turn-to on missle... we just abuse it to make it easier. Sure, I'd be angry if my LBC started facing normally and we got explosives to the face without warning... but I wouldn't report it to a GM. God forbid Wyrms and Chariots might have the same battle style as every other mob.


... btw, I'm not trying to sound bitchy or anything, but we tend to forget that wyrm facing and other similar tricks we use are essentially minor exploits. Instead of being angry over 1 orb failed, be glad SE is too lazy to make it so that every fight is like that.
Edit: Thought of the Alexander BC... but since it very literally can't move, it's not a trick/bug/exploit/whatever that it won't turn to you.

You contradicted yourself. Since it's Alexander's normal behavior to not move, it's okay. But since it's Wyrm's normal behavior to not turn, it's an exploit.

I'm sure if these were 'bugs,' they would only be on certain mobs(eg the KSNM99 wyrm), not entire families of them.

[Sagacious Sundi]

...Wait, so you're hoping people get orb/seals back due to a 'bug' that results in people fighting a Wyrm like they'd fight a normal monster? Since wyrms clearly are null and void from having to be fought like every other mob. Depending on how you look at it, the fact the wyrm models are so big and don't turn could be considered the bug--SE just never bothered to fix it or realized there was nothing they could do.

They have special side/tail attacks for a reason.

[Demosthenes11]

...Wait, so you're hoping people get orb/seals back due to a 'bug' that results in people fighting a Wyrm like they'd fight a normal monster? Since wyrms clearly are null and void from having to be fought like every other mob. Depending on how you look at it, the fact the wyrm models are so big and don't turn could be considered the bug--SE just never bothered to fix it or realized there was nothing they could do.

Similar example: LBC... I'm pretty damn sure it's just an in-game 'bug' that causes the turn-to on missle... we just abuse it to make it easier. Sure, I'd be angry if my LBC started facing normally and we got explosives to the face without warning... but I wouldn't report it to a GM. God forbid Wyrms and Chariots might have the same battle style as every other mob.


... btw, I'm not trying to sound bitchy or anything, but we tend to forget that wyrm facing and other similar tricks we use are essentially minor exploits. Instead of being angry over 1 orb failed, be glad SE is too lazy to make it so that every fight is like that.
Edit: Thought of the Alexander BC... but since it very literally can't move, it's not a trick/bug/exploit/whatever that it won't turn to you.

this is the dumbest thing I have read on this site, jesus christ man seriously?

[Suterusu]

If I had to guess, this Aymee fellow would make a great GM given the standards.

[Aymee]

this is the dumbest thing I have read on this site, jesus christ man seriously?

Yes, seriously. I'm not saying it's wrong that we do stuff this way, but you can't honestly tell me that we were "meant" to fight things like we do. For some reason I'm highly doubting that standing on feet as a way to avoid breath was a deliberate addition when faf/wyrm model was introduced.

By your logic, we should be able to do AV using the exploit and should call a GM if it does the unexpected and comes around to beat you up. After all, if you aren't supposed to kill him that way, surely they would have programmed him differently!

Again, seriously, I'm not saying it's at all bad that it's this way. But would it kill you to at least appreciate that such tricks exist so that you can win the stuff far more easily? Sucking that up and losing 99 seals <1% of the time via a bug is kind of a small price to pay compared to being able to win the other 99%. Does it suck to fail because of this? Yes. But could it be far worse? Yes. Imagine all the complaining if they did find a way around the minimum degrees to turn problem with large model mobs (as someone jokingly suggested earlier)... you'd all be in tears about how to kill the stuff. So yes. Be glad it's there.



....And since I'm awesome at looking stupid...
In defense of the brainless GM from the first page, yes he was stupid for not realizing it was in a BC, but 90% of the time when he gets calls about mobs changing targets or moving strangely it's related to outside enmity influence. He'd have to have personally watch a faf fight in the past to know that's how things are done. I laugh at what he said, but at least he's been trained in how to recognize and deal with RMT/harassment tactics.

[Stromgarde]

Yes, seriously. I'm not saying it's wrong that we do stuff this way, but you can't honestly tell me that we were "meant" to fight things like we do. For some reason I'm highly doubting that standing on feet as a way to avoid breath was a deliberate addition when faf/wyrm model was introduced.

Tell you what, next time Fafhogg comes around a convenient time, cure someone in the alliance fighting it and then stand dead center in front of his face. Wait for it to use Dragon Breath, observe damage, and then tell me if you think that's the way it was 'supposed to be done'.

[Aymee]

Tell you what, next time Fafhogg comes around a convenient time, cure someone in the alliance fighting it and then stand dead center in front of his face. Wait for it to use Dragon Breath, observe damage, and then tell me if you think that's the way it was 'supposed to be done'.

...Because clearly there are no other NMs that can 1-shot you or don't have godawfully brutal AOE stuff. Great logic.
Thanks for looking even more brainless than me, please come again.

[Stromgarde]

...Because clearly there are no other NMs that can 1-shot you or don't have godawfully brutal AOE stuff. Great logic.
Thanks for looking even more brainless than me, please come again.

I was going to reply seriously to you with examples and such, but you seem intent on digging your own grave. I'll leave you to that.

[Priran]

I feel the need to point out that the shadow dragon model is not just older but much smaller than the wyrm model, yet it still does not turn to face people attacking its sides or tail until it does a WS.

If wyrms were not meant to fight people standing on their feet, they would not have an animation for attacking people standing on their feet. If breath attacks were supposed to be unavoidable one-hit KOs, they would not diminish in damage based on where you were standing.

[Kipling]

I am greatly amused.