Heroes Season 3

[Kaylia]

In response to the question of why they didn't use it again to fix other problems they had in the future, they unfortunately knocked over the shelf containing all the world's supply of time-manipulating hourglasses during their little scuffle towards the end.

If someone made that many,why can't they make new one?

[Azkarin2]

STOP TRYING TO FIND ANY TYPE OF LOGIC IN A SHOW THAT CONTAINS SUPER POWERS OR MAGIC WIZARDS!!!!

[Hiryo]

Either way, doesn't really explain why people reliant on their power don't drop dead during an eclipse.

Re: my post

[Jer]

In any case, Peter did return and heal after exploding above Kirby Plaza, but the extent of his physical damage isn't shown, unless it is in the comics?

Peter wasn't injured by the explosion because it was caused by him. The majority of people in Heroes are immune to their own powers, like Meredith and fire. The only person I can think of off of the top of my head that apparently is not, is Elle (when they had her tied up and coating her with water so she'd short circuit).

[Kaylia]

STOP TRYING TO FIND ANY TYPE OF LOGIC IN A SHOW THAT CONTAINS SUPER POWERS OR MAGIC WIZARDS!!!!

There is a huge difference between "logic" and "fiction". Do you really need an explanation?

[-Zer0-]

Peter wasn't injured by the explosion because it was caused by him. The majority of people in Heroes are immune to their own powers, like Meredith and fire. The only person I can think of off of the top of my head that apparently is not, is Elle (when they had her tied up and coating her with water so she'd short circuit).

I thought about that, similar to Tracy when Nathan held her hands and said that they weren't even cold; but if you look back at Four Months Ago, Peter tells Nathan to let him go and states that he can heal from the explosion.

[Maguspk]

....i missed this weeks heroes.... and i downloaded it.

and THIS is the thing that gets me a copyright infrengement email from my ISP.

not any vidya games
not any movies.
HEROES.

FUCK.

Welcome to the club, Vandole.

http://www.bluegartr.com/forum/gener...ml#post1787975

I must download everything and the one time I download Heroes after almost 2 years of downloading at school, on campus they get me, for fucking Heroes. They watch downloads for all Heroes stuff like hawks. It seems like any television show really, they are very serious about downloads. My friend got busted after I showed him torrents and peer guardian he decided peer guardian for the mac was too troublesome and decided to download a few seasons without it. I fucking kid you not, a week later he was looking at a letter from his ISP.

[Azkarin2]

There is a huge difference between "logic" and "fiction". Do you really need an explanation?

when the author can use fiction to negate any reasonable use of logic there is no point to use reason. I agree with you but when the author can say that only one person can make the clocks and they are dead due to Avada Kadrava or a magical elf made them and has since returned to his home planet of Gilgamex then I just accept what they tell me.

[Kaylia]

when the author can use fiction to negate any reasonable use of logic there is no point to use reason. I agree with you but when the author can say that only one person can make the clocks and they are dead due to Avada Kadrava or a magical elf made them and has since returned to his home planet of Gilgamex then I just accept what they tell me.

Logic is a mathematical concept that you can't go against it. If you define something as true, it has to be coherant with everything else.

There is nothing wrong when you add a magical/fantastic premise to your story, the reader/viewer has no choice but to believe it...but it still need to be coherant.

[Rhinox]

Incoming Logic debate 2 pages long.

[Azkarin2]

Logic is a mathematical concept that you can't go against it. If you define something as true, it has to be coherant with everything else.

There is nothing wrong when you add a magical/fantastic premise to your story, the reader/viewer has no choice but to believe it...but it still need to be coherant.

I guess the point I was trying to make was that normal everyday logic that makes sense in our world doesn't always apply in science fiction (or other realms that don't always apply our rules). In our world, it would make perfect sense that if something was created once that it could always be duplicated. But in Hogwarts/Middle Earth/Heroes the same logic doesn't always apply so you can't expect the same things.

[Sanjiyan]

Heroes is a show best watched if you don't think too hard about it.

This isn't Back to the Future.

I hope next episode starts with BOOM HEADSHOT.

[Serif]

Heroes is a show best watched if you don't think too hard about it.

Thank god some one else thinks this way.

[BRP]

Man, I can't understand people who say "ITS A FANTASY!" or whatever sort of justification. Do you know how to evaluate the quality of a story? If you ever have to step back and think about something being wrong within a story, that author(s) has failed. What's the best way to achieve this? By contradicting your own science and creating plotholes. Science fiction has to be consistent because the science is an important part, many times the most important story element. It really doesn't matter if your science is "wrong", what matters most is that science in any form is mostly consistent.

It's not like you have to "think hard" about the show. You don't have to look for plotholes in Heroes, they throw them into your face and rub it in. You can't justify jarring plotholes, retcons, and down right ignoring the rules of their own world as "fantasy." Fantasy doesn't imply chaos. Lord of the Rings' hobbits didn't randomly start flying in the middle of the story.

What does this all mean? Heroes is poorly written and you couldn't convince me that they plan more than a half-season in advance.

[Sanjiyan]

Then don't watch it.

I don't sit down after every episode and analyze if there were plot holes or not and draw out a time line of all the events and figure out in detail what exactly happened when and where and if they are all consistent.

I turn the TV off and wait for next week so I can see what happens next.

There's also lots of stories out there that are good that also have plot holes. Having holes doesn't not preclude a good watch.

There's no science involved in Heroes. It's as science fiction as X-men is science fiction. It's really just a superheroes show without the spandex in the modern world.

[Sunrider]

Heroes is a show best watched if you don't think too hard about it.

Thing is, some of the inconsistencies and questions people raise are things that pop up in one's head automatically--no hard thought required.

For instance, my question of Gabriel's powers suddenly being similar to Peter's required no deep thought on my part, the question instantly manifested based on what I'd already learned from the series. Same with Adam's rapid aging. The temporal inconsistencies are a bit involved, but one could argue that being a result of a domino effect--smaller inconsistencies start people thinking and picking apart the larger ones.

I mean, there's suspension of disbelief, but sometimes, there's only so much disbelief you can suspend.

[Rhinox]

Man, I can't understand people who say "ITS A FANTASY!" or whatever sort of justification. Do you know how to evaluate the quality of a story? If you ever have to step back and think about something being wrong within a story, that author(s) has failed. What's the best way to achieve this? By contradicting your own science and creating plotholes. Science fiction has to be consistent because the science is an important part, many times the most important story element. It really doesn't matter if your science is "wrong", what matters most is that science in any form is mostly consistent.

It's not like you have to "think hard" about the show. You don't have to look for plotholes in Heroes, they throw them into your face and rub it in. You can't justify jarring plotholes, retcons, and down right ignoring the rules of their own world as "fantasy." Fantasy doesn't imply chaos. Lord of the Rings' hobbits didn't randomly start flying in the middle of the story.

What does this all mean? Heroes is poorly written and you couldn't convince me that they plan more than a half-season in advance.

Yet.. you still watch.

[BRP]

From one stupid argument to the next. I am not even going to humor this one.


If I didn't watch it, how would I know it is bad??????????????????????????


EDIT:

There's no science involved in Heroes. It's as science fiction as X-men is science fiction. It's really just a superheroes show without the spandex in the modern world.

Goddamn, what the fuck are you talking about?

[Kaylia]

Yet.. you still watch.

No matter how shitty a story can be, stopping midway is always hard. Some people like to finish what they start.

[Suburbanelite]

Man, I can't understand people who say "ITS A FANTASY!" or whatever sort of justification. Do you know how to evaluate the quality of a story? If you ever have to step back and think about something being wrong within a story, that author(s) has failed. What's the best way to achieve this? By contradicting your own science and creating plotholes. Science fiction has to be consistent because the science is an important part, many times the most important story element. It really doesn't matter if your science is "wrong", what matters most is that science in any form is mostly consistent.

It's not like you have to "think hard" about the show. You don't have to look for plotholes in Heroes, they throw them into your face and rub it in. You can't justify jarring plotholes, retcons, and down right ignoring the rules of their own world as "fantasy." Fantasy doesn't imply chaos. Lord of the Rings' hobbits didn't randomly start flying in the middle of the story.

What does this all mean? Heroes is poorly written and you couldn't convince me that they plan more than a half-season in advance.

Are you criticizing criticism of pseudo-science? Part of any story is filling in the blanks... if a story was given to you in it's entirety right up front, it would be terribly boring. Heroes is interesting because it actually leaves something (albeit unintentionally, I agree with you about that) for the mind to fill in... that's why people enjoy reading more than watching movies, usually.

Of course, plot holes are always bad. And Heroes does have them. My point is don't get all flustered at other people for wanting to make it something more than it already is.