Botters succesfully sued.

[Melchiah]

Fuck you Robert, the earth is flat.

[Kenji]

Exactly!

Here, sit in Aery for 3+ hours and do NOTHING but stare at the waterfalls!

Um, you still have SE's windowed mode. I personally haven't had any problems with it. All that playerbase whining over wanting a windowed mode, and they gave you one, and you don't use it.

Well, obviously you don't use it because it doesn't have tpparty, drawdistance, and all those other plugins that you can't play the game without. Seriously, tpparty is gonna cause a ton of downtime?

Seriously. There are easy workaroundsfor ever single plugin. But apparently that's too hard for some people.

Does the Windower simply things? Yep. So does a bot that plays the game for you.

[Melchiah]

Rephrase: Does the windower make a shitty user interface workable and not induce bouts of uncontrolled rage? Yes.

[Guitarman]

The way i look at it is, the unofficial windower has things that should have been in the game in the first place. What's so cheating about seeing other's tp? Frees up spam in the chat log. Yeah i know its still a cheat nonetheless but thats how i justify my using it.

[Budonez]

Um, you still have SE's windowed mode. I personally haven't had any problems with it. All that playerbase whining over wanting a windowed mode, and they gave you one, and you don't use it.

Well, obviously you don't use it because it doesn't have tpparty, drawdistance, and all those other plugins that you can't play the game without. Seriously, tpparty is gonna cause a ton of downtime?

Seriously. There are easy workaroundsfor ever single plugin. But apparently that's too hard for some people.

Does the Windower simply things? Yep. So does a bot that plays the game for you.

I don't know if it's just me, but the game looks fucking horrible on SE's windower, but looks perfect on the other windower...

[Gere]

I was being highly satirical, but GMs (lolgms) have said on several occasions that Fraps is against the TOS, I wasn't talking about the semantics of the lawsuit, but rather the dumbassery of people arguing that windower is a cheat.

I saw one of those screenshots, it went something like:
player: is fraps ok
GM: what's fraps?
player: a third party program
GM: We don't allow third party programs

[MaachaQ]

Interestingly, I didn't take that screenshot, it was sent to me. However, by the wording of the suit, fraps (as it doesn't hook into pol) doesn't count as a cheating program, which is what I do use when I remember to load it up. Also, I don't consider people who use windower cheaters, so fuck off.

If you run the official windower, you can simply <print screen> and paste into MSPaint. No other tools required. Just crop the image down to take off the rest of the desktop from showing, it looks just like a windower screenshot with /hide plugins

[malak]

I could deal without windower; if SE would actually make more than 6 lines per macro.

They did good with the books, but hitting two macros for a WS gearswap is just retarded and a waste of macro space. "PS2 limitations blah blah"

[Xrave]

I don't use Windower anymore since SE released theirs...but I seriously don't get the comments about it being slow and buggy. I haven't had one problem with it and it looks fine.

[MaachaQ]

I don't use Windower anymore since SE released theirs...but I seriously don't get the comments about it being slow and buggy. I haven't had one problem with it and it looks fine.

The only problem I had with the official windower was that I couldn't move my character using the gamepad controller while the "focus" of my screen was on another program, like and Instant Messenger or webpage. I had to click the FFXI window and wait 2 seconds or more before FFXI would respond to the controller again. After it was first released there were some brightness issues in some areas, but those were fixed rather quickly.

[Xrave]

I'm unfamiliar with controller issues (keyboard is better anyways)!

No lag or slow downs with keyboard only - ALT+TAB FTW.

[Demosthenes11]

Um, you still have SE's windowed mode. I personally haven't had any problems with it. All that playerbase whining over wanting a windowed mode, and they gave you one, and you don't use it.

Well, obviously you don't use it because it doesn't have tpparty, drawdistance, and all those other plugins that you can't play the game without. Seriously, tpparty is gonna cause a ton of downtime?

Seriously. There are easy workaroundsfor ever single plugin. But apparently that's too hard for some people.

Does the Windower simply things? Yep. So does a bot that plays the game for you.

I think you are missing the point here.
The people saying they use windower didn't start out in fall of '03 with tparty, distance, etc. Once it was released and people started using it, after 2+ years of playing fine without it, they realized how much fucking better the game is with minor additions like tparty, windower macros, etc. I can play fine without windower, but the inconveniences without windower are fucking stupid. At first it was about a windowed version of the game, but then it became about the outdated GUI this game has compared to every other MMO on the market

making windower users akin to botters just shows your ignorance

[Cow_k]

To be honest, for those questioning, the FFXI official windower is hit or miss. For example, on my laptop (what I'm using right now) the official windower looks great, plays fine and does everything I want it to do. However, on my desktop the official windower makes everything so dark that I can't see hardly anything and no matter what I do, I can't make it work in a way that's usable. As such, I use the official windower on my laptop (Which is what I use almost 90% of the time) and unofficial on my desktop simply because I see no other option than fullscreening and who wants to do that anymore? The days of keeping 2 computers within reach just to surf the web are long dead.

I've been playing this game for nearly 5 years, with the windower and without and honestly, when I hear people whining about how addicted they are to the plug-ins in the unofficial windower it sort of makes me barf. The game is just as playable with or without the windower and yes, I've done just about everything in the game more than once. The only really stupid thing the game was missing was auto sort and now that that's been added, the rest is just so much fluff. Hearing about things like Hermes and looking at recast (while a fanastic tool is basically pointless if you just use /recast) it gets to the point where you wonder why people even play the game anymore when the game is basically playing itself. You could train a monkey to hit a certain button when a certain color shows up on screen and just sit back and watch and people would start saying "Square should have implemented their own monkey, if they take my monkey away, I'm quitting this game and not looking back."

I can't speak for macro lines though. I've never had any problem with macro lag unless I'm playing on a slow PC. If the unofficial goes, I'll feel no heartbreak, if it stays I won't either, but listening to the whining of people's dependence on the unofficial windower makes me wonder why they play this game at all considering they basically hate the actual game they're playing. It's like an addiction they hate but can't kick so the they turn to the nearest pain pill to cover up the original addiction.

Again, while I don't mind the windower as something to shake things up from time to time, I will also point out that regardless what anyone thinks, it really does create an unfair advantage over PS2 and Xbox players. They're stuck with 6 lines per macro and macro lag and no recast plugin and no TPparty or distance plug in. Personally I'd rather play in a way that guarantees everyone I come in contact with will function well. People who throw themselves into just one group and refuse to budge are missing out on a lot of the game and life in general.

Ugh, this turned into an essay.

[amentis]

The game is just as playable with or without the windower and yes, I've done just about everything in the game more than once. The only really stupid thing the game was missing was auto sort and now that that's been added, the rest is just so much fluff. Hearing about things like Hermes and looking at recast (while a fanastic tool is basically pointless if you just use /recast) it gets to the point where you wonder why people even play the game anymore when the game is basically playing itself. You could train a monkey to hit a certain button when a certain color shows up on screen and just sit back and watch and people would start saying "Square should have implemented their own monkey, if they take my monkey away, I'm quitting this game and not looking back."


I can't speak for macro lines though. I've never had any problem with macro lag unless I'm playing on a slow PC. If the unofficial goes, I'll feel no heartbreak, if it stays I won't either, but listening to the whining of people's dependence on the unofficial windower makes me wonder why they play this game at all considering they basically hate the actual game they're playing. It's like an addiction they hate but can't kick so the they turn to the nearest pain pill to cover up the original addiction.

First: Grats you've done everything! Who hasn't here. I've been playing this game for ages. Windower makes an archaic game playable.

Second: Official windower is buggy, runs like ass, and doesn't have draw distance. You know, that thing that vamps up the graphics to make an ancient game look good again.

Third: You realize ALL THIS GAME IS is button pressing? Hit macro, receive dorp. That's it. This game is pretty simple for the most part, the hard part is that you're playing it with other people and have to coordinate.

I said it earlier, I'll say it again.
FFXI is a chore non-windowed. I know. I DID IT FOR YEARS.
Unofficial windower takes this game and makes it AWESOME and FUN again. We're not "dependent" on it, it just makes a GAME fun. Yes, I know, games being fun instead of a frustrating sisyphean endeavor, what a concept. Do you know how annoying it is being a black mage without windower macros? IT IS FUCKING AWFUL. AWFUL. Don't say I'm "dependent" on them either, I started using them less than a month ago, and now I'm never going back.

Fucking Christ people are thick. This thread has become a nexus of retardation.
As someone said before (I think Khasmin). Any of you bitching about windower: Do you speed? Do you roll through stop signs? Do you jay walk?
YOU ARE ALL CRIMINALS. HYPOCRITICAL CRIMINALS WHO SHOULD BE REPORTED TO THE AUTHORITIES IMMEDIATELY!

I hope maybe, *maybe* the naysayers will realize how silly they're being. As I said before, TParty, Windower macros etc do not HURT anyone. They ENHANCE the playing experience of everyone.
A blm in my LS on PS2 will have more fun in the game, because Melee1 and Melee2 using Tparty can set up their Skillchain faster, causing more MB, causing more fun.
OH MY GOD THAT IS SO UNFAIR TO THAT PS2 USING BLM!

Blah, ranty post is ranty.

[Izzy]

The amount of dumbass in this thread astounds me. We never used to have dumbfuck arguments like this until recently when we magically got an influx of brand new posters from alla.

You're free to have your opinions about Aikar's windower (the official one for you semantics fags), but do not roll up on a forum that has supported this project since the beginning and start shitting all over it as you will get no empathy from us. Take your dumbfuck bitching back to alla's endgame forum where you can talk about rostrum pumps and killing Kirin for the first time with Milkman.

[Ohaigaiz]

The amount of dumbass in this thread astounds me. We never used to have dumbfuck arguments like this until recently when we magically got an influx of brand new posters from alla.

You're free to have your opinions about Aikar's windower (the official one for you semantics fags), but do not roll up on a forum that has supported this project since the beginning and start shitting all over it as you will get no empathy from us. Take your dumbfuck bitching back to alla's endgame forum where you can talk about rostrum pumps and killing Kirin for the first time with Milkman.

Hating Allakhazam - srs business.

[Izzy]

Hating Allakhazam - srs business.

Trolling with a forum join date from this month - srs business.

[Ohaigaiz]

Trolling with a forum join date from this month - srs business.

Please explain how that's serious business. Viewing your recent posts leads me to believe you are This kid.

[Cat]

Hating Allakhazam - srs business.

Please explain how that's serious business. Viewing your recent posts leads me to believe you are This kid.

See, we can do it too!

[Ohaigaiz]

Please explain how that's serious business. Viewing your recent posts leads me to believe you are This kid.

See, we can do it too!

Do wut? Copy my post? You have true talent.