New Kaeko post - with boobs!

[Therin]

I don't think they could ever fix Draw-In on AV to be area-based because his spawn point is dependent on where you kill JoL. He'd have to just draw in based on proximity on himself. Speaking of that, I wonder if there's a way to abuse that bit about AV popping where ever you kill JoL to have him pop somewhere a lot more friendly to stalling.

Also - tried to do this trick last night but AV decided it would be cool to Chainspell Aero V me right as I started to kite away. >(

But at least we got good drops:

http://img300.imageshack.us/img300/4271/jolpooluo7.jpg

[Spekkio]

I don't think they could ever fix Draw-In on AV to be area-based because his spawn point is dependent on where you kill JoL. He'd have to just draw in based on proximity on himself. Speaking of that, I wonder if there's a way to abuse that bit about AV popping where ever you kill JoL to have him pop somewhere a lot more friendly to stalling.

Also - tried to do this trick last night but AV decided it would be cool to Chainspell Aero V me right as I started to kite away. >(

But at least we got good drops:

love, like tiamat, jorm, etc has an "electric leash" behavior wherein he won't leave the enclave where he pops. you can drag him to the neck of it, but not much further. this is why love sometimes runs over and bops someone freaking out the tanks or will just draw them in and boosted primal drill them. fun fight when shit like that happens. OHI! SPLAT!

[Therin]

love, like tiamat, jorm, etc has an "electric leash" behavior wherein he won't leave the enclave where he pops. you can drag him to the neck of it, but not much further. this is why love sometimes runs over and bops someone freaking out the tanks or will just draw them in and boosted primal drill them. fun fight when shit like that happens. OHI! SPLAT!

Oh, lame.

Always fought JoL close to his pop area so I had no idea that happened.

[Tsuko_Asura]

VV has the "territory" thing too, its so annoying. =/

[Quicklet]

I don't really know how "patchable" this idea is since its a very simple hate mechanic. Maybe if they gave AV real draw in around the (K-11) spawn area. Even if they did that they would have to patch the Footprint > Draw In bypass bug to go with it. I think the idea is reasonable to perform. I know a lot of LSs are not that interested in screwing around with AV (mine included actually), but I guess I was hoping a couple would be interested. I personally find the concept of a grossly-overpowered, unkillable mob fun since by trying to kill it, you're basically trying to 1-up the creators. To each their own though I guess.

Well, yeah, patch AV to have real draw in is one thing. Footprint > Draw In bypass bug would probably just be left as is and considered an exploit (as opposed to unintended use of normal game mechanics).

The other possibility is to patch the Auroral Updrafts to zone you back to Sealion's Den so that you're no longer zoning into the same zone, and your hate resets the same way it would if you were using any normal zoning strategy. Seems a simple enough patch to me.

[tyraravenlocke]

love, like tiamat, jorm, etc has an "electric leash" behavior wherein he won't leave the enclave where he pops. you can drag him to the neck of it, but not much further. this is why love sometimes runs over and bops someone freaking out the tanks or will just draw them in and boosted primal drill them. fun fight when shit like that happens. OHI! SPLAT!

Not true.. he goes to the neck of that area.. unless he manages to charms your tanks.. then he will come out past it.. and begin moving about is a much more free manner.

Its fun ^^

[kayn]

Ok, I too am ready to unveil my AV strat so prepare yourselves!

Spoiler: show

There are many items in this game that on the surface appear useless but have secret hidden effects of great power.
One such item are the Bahamut's hose.
Through much research and effort on my part I've found their true hidden stats.

http://i35.tinypic.com/epiptx.jpg

Because this item has such a unique stat it makes the AV fight simple.
I just can't believe noone has ever thought of this yet.

Equip Bahamut's hose
pop AV
???
Profit

http://i36.tinypic.com/27zvm6e.jpg

[Virtuous Saint]

Ok, I too am ready to unveil my AV strat so prepare yourselves!

Spoiler: show

There are many items in this game that on the surface appear useless but have secret hidden effects of great power.
One such item are the Bahamut's hose.
Through much research and effort on my part I've found their true hidden stats.

http://i35.tinypic.com/epiptx.jpg

Because this item has such a unique stat it makes the AV fight simple.
I just can't believe noone has ever thought of this yet.

Equip Bahamut's hose
pop AV
???
Profit

http://i36.tinypic.com/27zvm6e.jpg

THAT IS SO FUNNY I PISSED MYSELF. Jesus some people are lame dork nerds, but sir, you take the cake.

[Ruiner]

Spoiler: show

http://i36.tinypic.com/27zvm6e.jpg

LOL'd.

[Priran]

incredible

[Titanss]

win

[Tarage]

Ok, I too am ready to unveil my AV strat so prepare yourselves!

Spoiler: show

There are many items in this game that on the surface appear useless but have secret hidden effects of great power.
One such item are the Bahamut's hose.
Through much research and effort on my part I've found their true hidden stats.

http://i35.tinypic.com/epiptx.jpg

Because this item has such a unique stat it makes the AV fight simple.
I just can't believe noone has ever thought of this yet.

Equip Bahamut's hose
pop AV
???
Profit

http://i36.tinypic.com/27zvm6e.jpg

This man needs a medal for his hard work.

[Day]

THAT IS SO FUNNY I PISSED MYSELF. Jesus some people are lame dork nerds, but sir, you take the cake.

OH Hi I've been looking for you. This guy down at Hot Topic called, and said he had been going through the lost and found, and he found your sense of humor. I told him that I bet you had been looking for that. You can pick it up on Tuesday.

[Halon50]

Japanese ppl are, indeed, crazy:

http://img361.imageshack.us/img361/9...byprizemd3.jpg

[Ruiner]

Japanese ppl are, indeed, crazy:

http://img361.imageshack.us/img361/9...byprizemd3.jpg

afk moving to japan

[TB]

Can we have a sub section to this forum only about AV with invitation only for people who really wanna seriously talk about it? Might be only 10 people, but what you guys are doing here with every thread is just ridiculous.

Why did you even bother posting that here Kae? :/

[Kaeko]

Can we have a sub section to this forum only about AV with invitation only for people who really wanna seriously talk about it? Might be only 10 people, but what you guys are doing here with every thread is just ridiculous.

Why did you even bother posting that here Kae? :/

People seriously interested can just read and ask me personally if they'd like. I think the thread's kinda funny lol.

Also, there's really not too much to be discussed unless someone actually goes out and tests. There are way too many unknowns at this point, I don't like to reach out and speculate too much since I cannot personally test this.

[Ashira]

Can we have a sub section to this forum only about AV with invitation only for people who really wanna seriously talk about it? Might be only 10 people, but what you guys are doing here with every thread is just ridiculous.

Why did you even bother posting that here Kae? :/

He didn't actually post it, btw.

Some people actually DO still like to discuss and speculate about this mob, even while deriding the others who try - mostly because most of the people who bring it up are people who haven't actually done much with it personally, and think they've just found something no one ever thought of.

Whereas Kaeko has kept up on top of all discussion and actually is trying to find things within game mechanics that HASN'T been thought of and trying to find solutions.

The boobs were just fun. ;D

[Lordwafik]

I'm a girl ask me anything ~.^

[Virtuous Saint]

He didn't actually post it, btw.

Some people actually DO still like to discuss and speculate about this mob, even while deriding the others who try - mostly because most of the people who bring it up are people who haven't actually done much with it personally, and think they've just found something no one ever thought of.

Whereas Kaeko has kept up on top of all discussion and actually is trying to find things within game mechanics that HASN'T been thought of and trying to find solutions.

The boobs were just fun. ;D

Kaeko is very good, and smart, and I respect him, but this is no 'solution' to defeat, it is a holding strat to keep AV from regening if anything, and personally I believe AV will not follow great distances like is suggested based on what others in my LS have said to me after I asked them about this holding strat however, need solid tests to be sure I know.. ("I had flee and powder boots, I used after shadowbind, and it stopped following after a while" -rng/thf solo during 1 of the AV attempts my LS had).

Want to add that the idea of AV not having a target in range when certain AI is chosen is a really interesting idea, and that really could be true, but lets say AV does exactly what is expected, and runs for the person going from port to port. If you have people dealing DMG to it, at some point someone will pull hate, and that is pretty much impossible to get around I believe, even if someone used shadowbind it would choose any target in range in pt and use the AI it has stored, and thus could 2hr right after? Even if you had it perfect and the shadowbinder was out of range, and everyone else was, and you did time nuke it would still eventually have hate on someone dealing dmg, purely from someone getting capped CE at some point which would be over w/e the BLU could attain at the start? Also, about the port>port> ect at the top of hate list, i know i read others who suggested this would reset the BLU's hate based on your tests about enmity, question is, does it reset if player is zoned directly back to the same zone?

Anyway a holding strat like this is important to help hold/test on AV without the possibilty of AV regening, and I think this idea is extremely good, whether it ends up working or not. The main thing that drives everyone away from AV testing is the fact that death ensues almost instantly often, when just fighting straight up. I think if this did work it offers something more to people, which is the chance to hold AV at a certain % HP and regroup/retry with no problems at all, instead of instant death for every single person in the area, while fighing straight up.

I think a few PUP or /PUP could in effect, hold AV at a certain % for any amount of time, and I do not believe the loss of ALL hate on it would send it back into original form, as I have seen an unclaimed JoL which did not have regen after a wipe, a bio II held it in place until everyone was ready to fight again.

I respect anyone who would still give AV a try, and anyone who is still thinking of ways to lock/kill w/e. I know it 100% is killable, and the answer has yet to have been found. Sorry if I hurt anyone's feeling about saying AV is 100% killable, but it is people, sooner you face that fact the sooner you don't look like a retard in the eyes of many.