One of the Best Political Rants I've Read in a Long Time

[Zosi]

http://www.amazon.com/Bomb-My-Garden...6744094&sr=8-1

read it, and tell me that it was ok that Saddam had enough low-grade enriched uranium to make a bomb, and that we were safe with him in power.

I'll save ya the time:

"He wrote in his 2004 book, "The Bomb in My Garden," Dr. Mahdi Obeidi told U.S. interrogators: "Saddam kept funding the IAEC from 1991 ... until the war in 2003."

"I was developing the centrifuge for the weapons" right through 1997, he revealed.

And after that, Dr. Obeidi said, Saddam ordered him under penalty of death to keep the technology available to resume Iraq's nuke program at a moment's notice."

FACT: He was trying to get the nuke.
Done.

You very clearly don't know jack shit about nuclear physics. Yellowcake is not "low-grade enriched uranium". It's not enriched at all. It's not even CLOSE to usable for a nuclear weapon. It's not any more dangerous (or hard to get) than raw uranium ore, which is not very hard to get at all. Saying that his stockpile of yellowcake was enough to make a bomb is like saying that that big mountain has enough iron in it to make an aircraft carrier.

It's no big mystery that Iraq had a nuclear program prior to the first Gulf War. It's also no big mystery that they tried to continue it after the war, with virtually no success, largely due to international pressure and inspections. There was no usable amount of weapons-grade uranium produced, and their efforts were closely watched. They accomplished nothing of importance besides some 1940s-era centrifuge prototypes (which didn't work), and the program was eventually shut down. I'm sure it could've been resumed "at a moment's notice", because there was very little to resume. They were years, at the very least, away from producing any kind of result, and it'd take even longer to do it covertly, right under the watchful eyes of the IAEA.

In short, your rationale for invading has shrunk down from "He had nukes!" to "He could've had nukes, if there weren't international inspectors breathing down his neck, and if he had a few years, and if his scientists weren't incompetent!". I know this is hard for you to swallow given that you've been brainwashed by George into thinking that he MUST have had WMDs, but to use your own format...

FACT: International regulation efforts were completely successful in stopping Iraq's nuclear program before weapons were produced.
Done.

Edit: Also, relying on a tellall book as your primary source is... laughable at best. It's amazing how far the truth gets stretched when you're trying to sell copies rather than just get the information out. And before you jump on me and assume I'm being a hypocrite, that applies regardless of the political views of the book's author.

[guartz]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rJWoGulgbec

This should clear things up.

As revolting as this sounds, this is how this guy thinks. To paraphrase, ahem "Americans are stupid, they won't notice permanent bases in Iraq if troops stop dying."

[archibaldcrane]

"Americans are stupid, they won't notice permanent bases in Iraq if troops stop dying."

Yeah, that's pretty much completely true. It's also seemingly a big "if".

[SwampdonkeyPLD]

If Obama wins, would Vietnam be the only war where a vet wasn't elected president?

[pohibaba]

I can't think of anyone who served in Korea.

[SwampdonkeyPLD]

Hmm, Carter was in the Navy during Korea. Don't know if that counts.

[guartz]

I can't think of anyone who served in Korea.

Bob Barr was hunting witches and the gays for his country during that time.

[guartz]

some of you might think I'm joking too. That's the scary part.

[Beckwin]

no, everyone knows about Barr's opposition to Wicca and homosexuality.

He's just another reason why the Libertarian party continues to exist as a joke.

[guartz]

it's more or less a religion now

[Lordender]

I live like 10mins outside of New Orleans and I have to say I am still outraged at how our government failed us(state, federal) when Katrina rolled in. I am outraged that when the Tsunami hit Thailand, the US had aid sent over there 24hours after it happened yet it took 5 days for aid to show up in neworleans in our countries own backyard.

I was one of the lucky ones though, my home was safe during the storm because of an elevated railroad track that acted as a levee that just happened to be the same railroad track i used to bitch at which I no longer do.

I take my government less seriously these days because of what happened on august 28th 2005. I can't even watch the news anymore because they mention katrina 30times per news cast (yes i even counted it) and we're just about coming up on the 3 year anniversery.

[Saphirea]

I'm sorry but I had to lol right there.

OSU went to Alaska to drill for Ice Cores...

http://researchnews.osu.edu/archive/bona-churchill.htm

I don't know about you guys, and I'm no intelligent guy. But even I know that when ice gets hot ... it melts.