Gamewatch Interview (full translation linked in first post)

[Charismatic]

lol, hey do you watch too much anime sure you never see flat chested woman in anime, but in the real world there are plenty.

You're a moron... flat chests are in anime all the goddamn time.
You know, the term "delicious flat chest" came from anime nerds right? You know what the root of most of the terms anime nerds use is right?

Anyway, I'm glad BLU AF2 will be implemented finally and I wonder if they'll change the items for the bonanza yearly.

[ronin sparthos]

I just hope there's a friggin point to them. What would be the theme of a player-built dungeon? Exp PT? Money Drops? Equipment? Could it follow any format, or would it have to be a certain series of events (e.g. Weak mobs > stronger mobs > boss)? Could you pick what could drop? I know for damn sure they wont allow you to mess with drop rates, and even if they allowed shit like ridill or d.ring, it would only be on the boss.

This.

The whole player dungeon thing sounds nice and all but without an actual purpose and form of reward (which would not be anything that great anyway or people would purposely create easy dungeons to get the stuff) then SE might as well go back and work on Ballista, Garrison, Campaign, Kokba, Pankration and the shitty lootpools of monsters long past. (sup Vrtra, Jorm, Hydra and the gang)

Good idea but in typical SE fashion they will leave out the rewards and the novelty will wear off within a month of launch.

[Rokimus]

You guys know what's going to really happen with the dungeon thing, right? It's very typical SE type of shit:

The Lowdown:

You get to create your own dungeons, assign mobs, assign loot pools, awesome. In order to choose better loot, you have to defeat your own dungeons and get "dungeon points" (for lack of a better name for it) and here's the kicker:

Shit that drops in dungeons can only be used in player-dungeon worlds.

Now tell me that isn't SE for ya

Peace,
Rokimus XVII

[Sev]

You guys know what's going to really happen with the dungeon thing, right? It's very typical SE type of shit:

The Lowdown:

You get to create your own dungeons, assign mobs, assign loot pools, awesome. In order to choose better loot, you have to defeat your own dungeons and get "dungeon points" (for lack of a better name for it) and here's the kicker:

Shit that drops in dungeons can only be used in player-dungeon worlds.

Now tell me that isn't SE for ya

Peace,
Rokimus XVII

oh lawd derail inc

[Rokimus]

oh lawd derail inc

Nah.

[fantasticdan]

Rewards aside, there's no way a very functional dungeon creator will ever make it into the game. Knowing SE, it probably won't be implemented at all, but if it is, it will probably be something retarded like; pick an assault map, pick mob type(s), than there's your 'custom dungeon'.

[Thistle]

Peace,
Rokimus XVII

Pro-tip: We can see your name when you post, no need to sign it.

And more on topic: I'm with the group that says this will be dead within a month. Like the Pit, like so many other things, the reward won't be there to keep people using it.

[Rocl]

Are the side conversations entirely necessary in these sorts of topics? I swear to god I'm about to just start deleting them.

Now, let's hope we get a full translation soon

[Sumy]

This.

The whole player dungeon thing sounds nice and all but without an actual purpose and form of reward (which would not be anything that great anyway or people would purposely create easy dungeons to get the stuff) then SE might as well go back and work on Ballista, Garrison, Campaign, Kokba, Pankration and the shitty lootpools of monsters long past. (sup Vrtra, Jorm, Hydra and the gang)

Good idea but in typical SE fashion they will leave out the rewards and the novelty will wear off within a month of launch.

I dunno... I always felt that this is one thing that didn't need a reward to be successfull -- kinda like Legos™. "Hey guys, I built this duengeon, it's got a buncha black mandragoras guarding a nakid mithra and this huge room with stairs on the cieling and walls, check it out!" -or- "I recreated a scene from (insert movie here) in my dungeon, it rocks~!". Their are no rewards but it's a fun thing to do. Maybe this will be the new Nysul Isle and instead fo randomly generating a dungeon the servers might pick your dungeon next... oh wait... this is SE... NVM.

[Elmer the Pointy]

I've heard Rocl's cry and arose from my slumber. (Actually, you can thank Dein for PMing me)
Anyway, I'm sorry but I don't have a lot of time, so I am going to translate as much as I can. I'll put up each section as I do it and keep going until I have to go. I can finish what I don't get to (and add in the pictures) later tonight.

[Rokimus]

What are we supposed to post about if not about points in the OP? I simply offered my version of what SE might do if they decide to implement custom dungeons.

Wait let me jump on the bandwagon really quick:

Ooh I can' t wait until Elmer gets that PM and translates the information!

There you go.


And to our resident pro-tipper: it's customary in English (is it your first language?) to sign off on any type of communication to an audience. Furthermore, that's my manual signature, so way to fail.

Peace,
Rokimus

[Rowe]

You're a moron... flat chests are in anime all the goddamn time.
You know, the term "delicious flat chest" came from anime nerds right? You know what the root of most of the terms anime nerds use is right?

Anyway, I'm glad BLU AF2 will be implemented finally and I wonder if they'll change the items for the bonanza yearly.

Hence the whole reason I was resistant to post in the Advanced Player forum. Some asshole has to start slinging insults needlessly.

[Eanae]

Yay Elmer!

[Dein]

I've heard Rocl's cry and arose from my slumber. (Actually, you can thank Dein for PMing me)
Anyway, I'm sorry but I don't have a lot of time, so I am going to translate as much as I can. I'll put up each section as I do it and keep going until I have to go. I can finish what I don't get to (and add in the pictures) later tonight.

Awesome to hear. I'm very interested to see what exactly they were talking about in the "Balhran's Agent"/Nyzul section of the interview and I'm dying to finally know more about the new af2 so I'm looking forward to the translations. Thanks again Elmer.

[ronin sparthos]

I dunno... I always felt that this is one thing that didn't need a reward to be successfull -- kinda like Legos™. "Hey guys, I built this duengeon, it's got a buncha black mandragoras guarding a nakid mithra and this huge room with stairs on the cieling and walls, check it out!" -or- "I recreated a scene from (insert movie here) in my dungeon, it rocks~!". Their are no rewards but it's a fun thing to do. Maybe this will be the new Nysul Isle and instead fo randomly generating a dungeon the servers might pick your dungeon next... oh wait... this is SE... NVM.

Thats what alot of people said about Chocobo Raising/Racing and Pankration before they were released live and while both of these events have cultists who enjoy and love what they bring to FFXI, the majority is not touching this content and it is dissapointing in so oh so many ways.

The way i see the dungeon maker happening is that you pick a map, you place multiple families of monsters in certain areas of the dungeon with limitations (like only say 2 wyrms per dungeon) and you assign perhaps some pre-made goals to win the dungeon like:

-Defeat all Enemies
-Survive for X minutes
-Collect item A, B, C and defeat the boss monster

I highly doubt that there will be advanced customization of these dungeons so pretty much SE would have to resort to some kinda of Dungeon Points like you stated that allows you to place things in your dungeon for completing others - ultimately worthwhile rewards cannot make the cut for this due to rampant abuse if it were so.

At the best it'll be something like Fellowship points where playing with others allows you to use new tools in your own dungeon.

[Sumy]

Thats what alot of people said about Chocobo Raising/Racing and Pankration before they were released,....

I'm not quite sure I understand your comparison (hope that doesn't sound dense). What I was trying to say is that this is more like a sandbox, their is no reward, you do it to be creative. Like drawing. Chocobo Raising and (to a greater extent) Pankration are more of a challenge-type activity and arn't really creative-type activities, so of course you'd expect some sorta reward for it.

I would think poeple would see this as more of a creative outlet then a challenge, and not expect a reward for it.

Kinda like the Stage Builder in Super Smash Bros Brawl.

I dunno, I guess we'll see what happens with it. I hope it's good. Building a custom dungeon to trap my LS mates in sounds kinda fun.

[Xrave]

lol, hey do you watch too much anime sure you never see flat chested woman in anime, but in the real world there are plenty.

Because this game resembles the real world more than it resembles anime.

[LD]

You don't seem to understand that point is the mini-game novelty will eventually wear off as it has with those other two systems. Chocobo Raising, for example. One could say the whole tamagochi thing is entertaining enough without the reward, or the Pit's custimization and level of control should be all someone needs, but at the end of the day, people want to see a real return, which neither event provides. Yes, it would be engaging and enjoyable, but without a true reward, only a handful of people would bother with it after 6 months.

Also, Stage Builder in SSBB is a poor comparison on the one hand and a poor role model on the other. -_- The reason it's a poor comparison is because the entire point of SSBB is to fight, there's really nothing else to do, so another stage doesn't really need to add anything else, like new items or more coins. Also, anyone who's played on a stage builder stage can tell you the whole thing is kinda weak. You can't pick spawn points and even worse, certain pieces (a lot of them) can't be edge-grabbed, so it ruins the flow of a stage.

[Rowe]

from here on out let's focus on the content of the Interview and avoid any more derails. Elmer said he was going to post some info let's wait for that. Bye the way thank you Elmer for your time.

[LD]

This isn't a derail, since it's about a portion of the topic: Player-made Dungeons.

What IS a derail is talking about fight club.