Spinning Slash / Guillotine

[Thechinaman]

Hello, I am a DRK and I am just wondering on what would be the best equipment now a days for these two weaponskills. I have a whole lot of good gear, just really have never parsed or anything due to being afraid of losing my acct to trojans and such, so i dont dl any of it. I pretty much would just like to see like the top 3 pieces for each slot and get a good idea of what i should be aiming for when i WS. I know i have a lot better gear than some people I play with and dont understand why im not seeing the numbers from my WS's when i have a better race and (in my eyes) better gear.

Any replies will help greatly, Veteran DRK's opinion's wanted please.

[Zubuis]

Guillotine: is a multi hit ws so i think having good accuracy helps (to make most hits land)

Typically I use:

Head: Heca cap or Ares Head
Body: Adaberk
Hands: AF+1
Back: Foragers
Belt: Potent
Legs: Black cuisses
Feet: Hecatomb Feet
Rings: Rajas/Snipers
Earrings: Brutal/Assault
Neck: Peacock Charm

If you dont have heca cap or ares head - ohat maybe?
Hauberk prob best if you dont got adaberk
Rest shouldnt be too hard to get

Spinning Slash: I typically just use STR gear mainly

Head: Heca cap
Body: Adaberk
Hands: Alky
Back: Foragers
Belt: Warwolf
Legs: Black cuisses
Feet: Hecatomb Feet
Rings: Rajas/Flame
Earrings: Brutal/Triumph
Neck: Prudence Torque

AF+1 Head maybe if u dont got heca cap
Hauberk or Heca body if you dont got Adaberk. Ares prob good too if you got that.
Rest should be pretty easy to get minus Prudence Torque. Probably could get a sea gorget or something

[Tan]

Hello, I am a DRK and I am just wondering on what would be the best equipment now a days for these two weaponskills. I have a whole lot of good gear, just really have never parsed or anything due to being afraid of losing my acct to trojans and such, so i dont dl any of it. I pretty much would just like to see like the top 3 pieces for each slot and get a good idea of what i should be aiming for when i WS. I know i have a lot better gear than some people I play with and dont understand why im not seeing the numbers from my WS's when i have a better race and (in my eyes) better gear.

Any replies will help greatly, Veteran DRK's opinion's wanted please.

Guillotine
Ammo: Firebomblet/Sachet (Elvaan)
Head: N.head/Ace's Helm/Askar Zucchetto/Ares Mask/Optical Hat
Neck: Justice Torque/Snow Gorget/Peacock Charm
Earring: Brutal Earring
Earring: Abyssal Earring/Fowling Earring/Assault Earring
Body: Adaberk/Ares' Cuirass/Hauberk +1/Hauby +1/Homam Corrazza (Not really ranked as its a really hard call, but I think that Homam Corrazza was shown to be more Damage for a WAR using RR)
Hands: N.hands/AF+1 Hands/Ares Gauntlets
Ring: Rajas/Triumph Ring/Flame Ring
Ring: Sniper +1/Triumph Ring/Flame Ring
Back: Cerb +1/Foragers/Amemet +1
Waist: Potent Belt /Life Belt/Warwolf Belt
Legs: Ares Flanchard/Aurum Cuisses/Askar Dirs
Feet: AF+1 Boots/N.feet/Ares Sollerets/Homam Gamberias

Most important thing for Guillotine is hitting all those hits, if you miss even one your damage is going to be substantially lacking. Pretty much sorted by whichever piece is first is probably your best choice, but all choices are pretty damn good. All my Guillotine equip is bolded so you get some idea of where you stand.

Edit: Also what Scythe are you using?

[JetBlack]

Homam Corrazza (Not really ranked as its a really hard call, but I think that Homam Corrazza was shown to be more Damage for a WAR using RR)

Warriors can wear Homam?

[Tan]

Warriors can wear Homam?

No they can't but the thread calculated it as if they could to prove which body was the best. Check out Ruks DA/Askar/Win thread here. Near the bottom of the page.

[JetBlack]

Oh, ok. I was about to say tan...we need to talk

[Khrno]

It is true this is the Newbie section, but lately with so many pointless threads that their contents could be asked in the sticked threads such as: What's Better?.

And to make an account just to ask what gear to use for SS and Guillo? Why don't you just go read the KI drk forums, or at least read the forum rules and guidelines first?

[Raen Ryong]

As stated, with Guillotine you want to maintain a powerful baseline of accuracy and then substitute STR where you can get the greatest return for the most little accuracy sacrificed. Don't give -too- much accuracy either, but you definitely want some.

Ammo: Fire Bomblet/Bomb Core
Head: Hecatomb Cap / Ace's Helm / Chaos Burgeonet +1 / Optical Hat
Neck: Justice Torque / WS Gorget / PCC / Chivalrous Chain
Earrings: Abyssal/Assault/Fowling/Minuet Earring + Brutal Earring
Body: Adahaubyberk / Hecatomb Harness (if enough acc)
Hands: Chaos Gauntlets +1 / Hecatomb Mufflers / Gigas bracelets (but be prepared to compensate for acc loss)
Rings: Acc or STR rings depending on the rest of the build. Flame Ring has -MND so make sure that isn't hurting your damage.
Back: Forager's Mantle / Amemet Mantle +1 / Abyss Cape (depending)
Waist: Potent Belt / Warwolf Belt (I would not recommend this over Potent -- such a small str gain for the acc loss)
Legs: Ares Flanchard / Black Cuisses
Feet: Hecatomb Leggings / Chaos Sollerets +1 / Amir Boots / Rutter Sabatons

Just play with acc in that sort of setup.

Spinning Slash, lots of STR;

Ammo: Fire Bomblet / Bomb Core
Head: Hecatomb Cap / Chaos Burgeonet +1 / Chaos Burgeonet NQ or Wyvern Helm
Neck: WS Gorget / Peacock Charm / Chivalrous Chain
Earrings: Triumph Earring / Fowling Earring / Minuet Earring + Brutal Earring
Body: Adaman Hauberk / Hecatomb Harness / Haubyberk
Rings: STR ring x2 works fine
Back: Forager's / Amemet Mantle +1
Waist: Warwolf Belt / Potent Belt
Legs: Ares Flanchard / Black Cuisses
Feet: Hecatomb Leggings / Rutter Sabatons

You should be fine since Spinning Slash is very accurate. I may have missed certain pieces...

[Thechinaman]

Thank you guys very much for the feedback and speedy response time. A lot of good suggestions on here, I have a pretty good idea of what i should be wearing now, just have to perfect the acc/str ratio. Sorry for apparently posting in the wrong area Khorno, its my first post didnt mean to upset anyone.

[Therin]

Best Guillotine Set: (Full Ares arguable)

Main: Apocalypse
Sub: Pole Grip
Ranged: ---
Ammo: Fire Bomblet/Elvaan Sachet
Head: Hecatomb Cap +1
Neck: Sea Gorget
Ear1: Abyssal Earring
Ear2: Brutal Earring
Body: Armada Hauberk
Hands: Hecatomb Mittens +1
Ring1: Mars's Ring
Ring2: Rajas Ring
Back: Cerberus Mantle +1
Waist: Warwolf Belt
Legs: Ares's Flanchard
Feet: Hecatomb Leggings +1

Best Spinning Slash Set:

Main: Naglering
Sub: Pole Grip
Ranged: ---
Ammo: Fire Bomblet
Head: Hecatomb Cap +1
Neck: Sea Gorget
Ear1: Triumph Earring
Ear2: Brutal Earring
Body: Ares's Cuirass
Hands: Hecatomb Mittens +1
Ring1: Flame Ring
Ring2: Flame Ring
Back: Cerberus Mantle +1
Waist: Warwolf Belt
Legs: Onyx Cuisses
Feet: Hecatomb Leggings +1

Assuming full skill merits in the weapons you should never have accuracy issues, especially with Apocalypse. Not including relic you might want to think about more Accuracy gear on Guillotine. Good choices are Abyss Cape (+14 accuracy), Toreador's Ring over Rajas or instead of Mars's (+7 accuracy), and Ares hands (STR+4 Accuracy+10).

[Khrno]

Best Guillotine Set: (Full Ares arguable)


Neck: Sea Gorget
Ear1: Triumph Earring
Hands: Hecatomb Mittens +1




Best Spinning Slash Set:

Main: Naglering
Hands: Hecatomb Mittens +1

Um no.

-Best hands for Guillo are AF+1, for SS/GS are Alky.

-You don't use Gorget for Guillotine, that's just a waste with only the first hit getting the 0.1 dmg, J.Torque is much better due to the acc/att and str and ALL 4 hits.

-Abyssal is best earring (with Brutal), 2 str vs 5 att or vs 3 acc might be debatable.

-Naglering doesn't beat Algol.

[Therin]

Um no.

-Best hands for Guillo are AF+1, for SS/GS are Alky.

-You don't use Gorget for Guillotine, that's just a waste with only the first hit getting the 0.1 dmg, J.Torque is much better due to the acc/att and str and ALL 4 hits.

-Abyssal is best earring (with Brutal), 2 str vs 5 att or vs 3 acc might be debatable.

-Naglering doesn't beat Algol.

I'll agree with you on the Abyssal, I forgot about that earring (and edited as such). AF1+1 over Heca+1 on Guillotine is debatable, but worth it on high evasion mobs, Alky's over Heca+1 is debatable, you're already low on accuracy so I wouldn't want to take the DEX hit. The rest of your points are all not true, and lol @ Naglering not beating Algol, you're insane if you think that. 6-hit build, 4 accuracy and 17 attack vs. lol3%tripleattack.

P.S. Keep up, WS Gorgets work on all hits.

[Khrno]

I'll agree with you on the Abyssal, I forgot about that earring (and edited as such). AF1+1 over Heca+1 on Guillotine is debatable, but worth it on high evasion mobs, Alky's over Heca+1 is debatable, you're already low on accuracy so I wouldn't want to take the DEX hit. The rest of your points are all not true, and lol @ Naglering not beating Algol, you're insane if you think that. 6-hit build, 4 accuracy and 17 attack vs. lol3%tripleattack.

P.S. Keep up, WS Gorgets work on all hits.

It's true that the only times I use GS is at Aerys and some /thf HNM, for Aerys from about 8-12 ws a fight my record usually is of 90-100% WS Acc Using full STR+ setup, that includes Alky. Still for /thf hands down on Alky too.

For merits you might be right, but I mean all this people why meritin with GS, Scythe is so much better for merits, either way Naglering won't beat Algol on HNMs, I grant you the merit side.

AF+1 vs Heca+1 is NOT debatable, you are telling me that 2 STR are better than 1 DEX and 3 ACC? For your information, in merits or anything harder you are never capped on WS Acc.

I use Ares Head over Heca Cap for Guillo too, but We are not talking about Ares since you left it aside with your first comment so that's all fine, I'm just sharing that with you.

P.S. Keep up, Just below this thread but this is old news.

[Therin]

Well we're discussing the best Guillotine gear, and the best Guillotine gear includes an Apocalypse, which has 20 accuracy on it, in case you forgot.

And yes, for /THF Alky's are the best Spinning Slash hands, but who the fuck goes /THF anymore. That's a pretty dumb idea in itself.

So you're saying the accuracy works on all Guillotine hits but the attack bonus doesn't?

For merits you might be right, but I mean all this people why meritin with GS, Scythe is so much better for merits, either way Naglering won't beat Algol on HNMs, I grant you the merit side.

. . . what? In the same breath that you said you do 8-12 WSes per fight you say that Algol is better? You do realize that you're going to average ONE Triple Attack proc every THIRD HNM fight then, right? And you're saying that's better than 4 accuracy and 17 attack? You're out of your mind.

Anyway, if you're going to pull the "who merits with GS over scythe anyway" I can pull the "who merits with DRKs over WARs or DRGs" card. Just because you don't use a weapon or a job for something doesn't mean that it's not feasible to do so or worth discussing.

[Khrno]

Well we're discussing the best Guillotine gear, and the best Guillotine gear includes an Apocalypse, which has 20 accuracy on it, in case you forgot.

And yes, for /THF Alky's are the best Spinning Slash hands, but who the fuck goes /THF anymore. That's a pretty dumb idea in itself.

So you're saying the accuracy works on all Guillotine hits but the attack bonus doesn't?



. . . what? In the same breath that you said you do 8-12 WSes per fight you say that Algol is better? You do realize that you're going to average ONE Triple Attack proc every THIRD HNM fight then, right? And you're saying that's better than 4 accuracy and 17 attack? You're out of your mind.

Anyway, if you're going to pull the "who merits with GS over scythe anyway" I can pull the "who merits with DRKs over WARs or DRGs" card. Just because you don't use a weapon or a job for something doesn't mean that it's not feasible to do so or worth discussing.

Should I refer you to RK about all his Acc tests on WS? You know his tests have shown WS Acc is just over the 80%? Can't remember exact number, might be close to 85%. That being specially worst for multi-hit ws. And don't think that extra 20 Acc will cap you.

So you never do Khim anymore Van? Oh yea right, you are PLD too, of course you wouldn't play DRK there, and you haven't even seen Ixion right? (I haven't killed it yet because fuck Progeny keeping it on NA time while fighting it for 3h30+). But yea who does /THF anymore, I mean lolhnms right?

I never mentioned the "accuracy works on all Guillotine hits but the attack bonus doesn't", no one has ever find out what is the exact Acc of Gorgets, some people believe to be a bit over P.Charm, some others say otherwise but there are not enough testing Acc wise, besides the dmg ones. But everything points to Torque > Gorget, It isn't that hard to see with what has been found so far.

I agree with you, my added Fire damage and my 3% TA and me are all out of my mind, because you well know how good the Algol added effect proceeds and how much it does. Oh but then again, when was the last time you've been at Aerys?

I parsed myself Algol beats Tred. wise, granted i don't have a Nag yet to afirm 100% that it outperform it, however in a non-spamming ws situation such as Aerys, where a 6 hit or 7 hit are meaningless, everything sounds right for Algol > Perdu+1, I mean Nag.



Why would someone merit with a DRG instead of a DRK? I mean why? Too many DRGs outparsing you lately? I don't get your point, I'm not talking about one job over another one, I'm talking about 1 A+ weapon over 1 A- weapon on the same job, where clearly Scythe outperforms Great Sword for merits at any camp.

Don't think like that? Let's parse, my Scythe vs your GS, and let's see what works best.

[Therin]

My point about /THF is that it's absolutely retarded for a DRK, ever. Even on HNMs, your job is to skillchain (Faf), Stun (Cerb/Khim) or build TP without feeding it to the mob, and in all of these situations SAM sub outperforms THF sub. I've done THF sub on Cerb and other HNMs, and trust me, it was nothing but an e-penis Ground Strike every 5-7 minutes. SAM will do more damage every time because you don't have to spend 5 minutes going to go find a TW mob somewhere and building to 300 TP on it.

Anyway, this isn't what the thread is about - we already discussed the gear. Personally, I think you're insane for some of the shit that you're saying, but we've derailed this thread enough already.

[Khrno]

Van you are a funny guy did I ever mention Cerb in my point about /thf? No.

/sam for Khim you say? So you Guillo Khim every 6 min because that's what takes to get 100% (120%)TP right? And duties Stunning him? That doesn't happen until 25% or you like to get it build resistance when it is at 80%?

And you probably have never seen Ixion to say such a thing about /thf being useless.

So yea, about the derail, why am I insane again? Because I say Acc is very important for a multi-hit ws? Or because I proved you wrong about using Gorget for Guillo?

Oh no, it was because you forgot how good Algol is and youhave parsers about the supremacy of Nag over it on HNMs right?

Anyway I'll tell you one more time, if you think your setup is so good over mine, let's parser, numbers don't lie, but you oftenly do, I even had to cover your ass in Advanced when you have started talking crap about that old parser we had because you amde no sense when talking about it in a serious topic lol

[Robert]

Only chumps have their DRKs WS khim every 6 minutes, can your tanks not handle the TP spam or can you not read the squiggly to find out what your tanks, which are also terrible, are saying? Then again, you've fought how many Khims in the last 6 months? Khimaira starts using Fulmination at 35%, not 25%. This thread puts me at an impasse, because I hate Therin and Khrno, and can't figure out which one more. Allow me to go ahead and use your only defense against my verbal onslaught: "omgz u by teh gizl and acounzt lol m dmgin ur e-credibility."

About Therin vs. Khrno, I think I hate Khrno more because you come on here and act superior to other people, but in reality you're just some gimp retard who used to melee FAFNIR in BLACK CUISSES, its a shame you got Homam because watching you die to two wings was a running joke in the LS. Therin I only hate because of his moral complex about everyone but him botting, so yeah; I guess you win Khrno. Khrno: in every thread you try to act superior to everyone, example:

Ixion needs a 1h rage timer, a LS fighting it yesterday with their b-team, you know the noobs that just keep dying and dying and needed over 24 ppl to kill it, took 3 hours and a half, what a pain in the ass waiting for them to get a stupid tod.


Edit: FF needs to be on 30 min rage timer too, it isn't worth the 1h hour wait some people waste on it holding it just to push tods.

Note the bolded part, your entire LS is b-team, maybe e-team or k-team, yet you come here and talk down to people who don't know this, so take your non sequitur comments and go fight Fafnir with your Japanese linkshell because English people dislike you for being a mouth-breathing faggot. (Feel free to say you're in RoutetoHiroshima or whatever because of time difference) By the way, tell Foresterjun that full Ares' doesn't help you hold hate, or keep shadows up. Acting the superior zealot doesn't work so well when you both lack experience and history to backup your claims.

I'm sure you and many of your knuckle dragging compadres find comfort in villanizing me for being tactless, but begone, back to the depths of obscurity whence you came.

TL;dr version: You cast the first stone, but believe me, I will cast the last.

[Vedder]

Delicious.

[Khrno]

Oh hi Bob, sorry they weren't Black Cuisses, they were Onyx, and I have never died at FF from wings, it is usually from NH's double attacks.

So Khim starts Fulmination at 35%? That's cool, since you lived at the Mire for like 5 months straight, but yea with my little experience of about 20 Khims or so I never saw one going off at 35%, maybe we were lucky, maybe I never noticed, who knows.

So yeah back to the topic of the Cuisses, hmm so what else did you wanted to TP on when I still didn't have Homam, A.Breeches maybe? Or perharps just Crimson legs would have been better? Getting hit for 35-40 more a wing isn't an issue.

Now in regard of the LS, it is a shame we don't have 40+ members at on during all day, we aren't like your LS that hands pearls to everyfucktard in the server to have more bannable bodies ready.

I'm in RTU because I have many friends there since Cato LS, did you ever played since back then? What character had you at that time? Too bad some LS have rules and they don't give you all the items straight away when you join such as full Homam and have to start from the bottom of the list. But what would you know, since your Galka had most items on it ready, isn't that right? So what have you put effort on? Ares and relics, so yea grats on your Homam and d.ring and etc.

About Fjun, I've never seen him tanking on full Ares, times he had other pieces of Ares on are when idling or killing Darters, or can't a PLD kill Darters now in full Ares? Sorry I had no idea of that.

To close, about Ixion, as I said before we haven't had the chance to fight Ixion yet, since after 2 am jp we only have 8-10 members around, because people in my LS have work or school usually, if that isn't a good valid point for you then I wonder what your life is like. So come back again and calls bteam, kteam or w/e when we kill Ixion in 3+ hours with more than 20 people, such as those guys did.

Anyway Bob, if you think I'm so gimp, I'll tell you the same I did to Van, let's parser, your Galka had a Ridill on it when you got it, use it and see because you know nothing to talk shit about me, same as i know nothing about you, but I'll just talk shit back at you anytime.