Spinning Slash / Guillotine

[Khrno]

Well, due to moderators request and for respect to the OP after so many derails I'll just leave it here.

@Bob: I'll take your word up and refrain from posting in your threads, this isn't one of those.

@Chup: When was that 59 min NH you are talking about? Most of our NHs take 20-30, last one, that was 3-4 weeks ago when Zklken got ebody we had about 5 melees and it was a wing spam fest. And I know you leave Ixion sometimes running wild, but we don't have more than 8 people around at such times to even bother, after shown last week when I tried getting people stay to camp it.

[Archain]

I don't think I've found a thread recently that made me want to say "Shut the fuck up" more than the first page of this thread.

Am I the one changing?

[Tyrath]

i feel bad for the countless ppl we've sold algol to

I'm angry that less people are going to be buying from us now ; ;

[Max™]

I tested and showed 5% acc to all hits from gorget too... T.T

/wrist

[mallister]

for snow gorget vs pcc argument:

after that thread came out about gorgets and after speaking with max about his RR tests, i changed to gorget for guillotine and noticed no accuracy drop whatsoever. anecdotal evidence (not parsed/counted), but it's got to be at least equivalent from my experience.

standard merit guillotine set:
molly's scythe/pole grip
af+1 head
snow
bomblet
hauberk+1
af+1 hands
potent
black cuisses
heca feet
abyssal/brutal
rajas/molly
foragers

i have a high eva set i swap to for mams or anything annoying/high level. waiting on my 25s for ares, i missed our first round of boss farms.

[Robert]

Well, due to moderators request and for respect to the OP after so many derails I'll just leave it here.

@Bob: I'll take your word up and refrain from posting in your threads, this isn't one of those.

If you want to buy Homam Gambieras (3M) or N. Legs (10M) just let us know, might even cut you a deal on a Ridill =) I'm done, already wasted too much effort writing those other two posts just to have you use your Dutch>English dictionary or wherever you're from to conjure up a single sentence, lets do it again sometime. On topic, for Spinning/Guillo before I deleveled my DRK for Octave Club since its useless other than zerging, I used:

perdu(algol)/pole/bomblet
heca+1/justice torque(prudence)/brutal/assault
adaberk/heca+1/sniper+1/rajas
foragers/warwolf/heca/heca

substituted a flame ring for sniper+1 on spinning slash, maybe it was overkill on accuracy but I liked to use meat and land those hits =/

[Chupunpupun]

Well, due to moderators request and for respect to the OP after so many derails I'll just leave it here.

@Chup: When was that 59 min NH you are talking about? Most of our NHs take 20-30, last one, that was 3-4 weeks ago when Zklken got ebody we had about 5 melees and it was a wing spam fest. And I know you leave Ixion sometimes running wild, but we don't have more than 8 people around at such times to even bother, after shown last week when I tried getting people stay to camp it.

If you're going to say you don't want to derail the thread any more, why keep pushing the subject. Just because you weren't on for a 59min NH, doesn't mean it didn't happen. Honestly, I don't remember any 3.5hour B-team Ixion fight, all of our Ixion have been between 1 to 1.5hour depending on how many TP mob is available in the area.

/end derail.

[Ryko]

Khrno, cut it the fuck out. Second mod telling you now.

[eva00r]

nice drama, this thread wins.

Back on topic, I think Naglering > Algol because of the color.

[Vejitta]

If Naglering is better than Algol, does it mean it's better than Subduer? Before Naglering showe d up, in everyone opinion Algol and Subduer were quite similiar when it comes to dmg.

[Therin]

If Naglering is better than Algol, does it mean it's better than Subduer? Before Naglering showe d up, in everyone opinion Algol and Subduer were quite similiar when it comes to dmg.

Everyone who had ever parsed or played DRK seriously always knew that Algol was better than Subduer by virtue of its TP accumulation alone. Naglering is leagues ahead of both weapons, yes.

[RKenshin]

A little late in joining the fun in this thread, but...

First, remember this is the nice forum. Arguing and debating till your eyes rot off of your face is all fine and dandy, but keep the flaming and bullshit to a minimum.

does spinning slash have the same 1hit acc bonus as sam ws ? just wondering

All one-hit WS should gain from this bonus.

Should I refer you to RK about all his Acc tests on WS? You know his tests have shown WS Acc is just over the 80%? Can't remember exact number, might be close to 85%. That being specially worst for multi-hit ws. And don't think that extra 20 Acc will cap you.

wut?

Think you're misquoting me here.

If you're talking about the fact that, at 95% accuracy, a 4-hit WS will cap at having an 8x% chance of landing all hits... Then yeah that's true, but adding more accuracy doesn't change that.

It doesn't mean you can never cap accuracy, it's just a rule of statistics that a 95% chance on four separate swings comes down to much less than a 95% chance to land them all. You're confusing those two together I think.

In reality it really shouldn't take all too much acc to hit 95% on any well-geared DD's multi-hit WS.

[Abraxas]

this is a newbie thread. why dont you guys take your little argument and parses to PM.

didn't even see there were 3 pages. :/

[Tsuko_Asura]

A little late in joining the fun in this thread, but...

First, remember this is the nice forum. Arguing and debating till your eyes rot off of your face is all fine and dandy, but keep the flaming and bullshit to a minimum.

All one-hit WS should gain from this bonus.

wut?

Think you're misquoting me here.

If you're talking about the fact that, at 95% accuracy, a 4-hit WS will cap at having an 8x% chance of landing all hits... Then yeah that's true, but adding more accuracy doesn't change that.

It doesn't mean you can never cap accuracy, it's just a rule of statistics that a 95% chance on four separate swings comes down to much less than a 95% chance to land them all. You're confusing those two together I think.

In reality it really shouldn't take all too much acc to hit 95% on any well-geared DD's multi-hit WS.

Not completely unrelated, but something I've always wondered. Is Barrage an exception to the rule, or are Rangers stacking every piece of Racc gear they own in an attempt to magically bypass 95% really as silly as I've always believed it was?

[Riios]

I can't really say which GS (Naglering or Algol) is better, cause 6 hit with Algol is easily attainable now without using store tpfood or lol chivchain (as long as you do ZNM I guess). Aurum Curiass, Rajas, and Brutal will give it you /sam, though you'll have to use Aurum for WS to keep the 5 hit after Spinning Slash (unless you double or triple attack). If you're set on using Ebody (don't have yet) I guess I'd go with Naglering. Haven't tested in merit or anything, always use scythe anyway. Been using /thf for Ixion, Naglering is the obvious choice there of course, at least after you get a screenshot of triple attack proc dmg on algol : P

[RKenshin]

Not completely unrelated, but something I've always wondered. Is Barrage an exception to the rule, or are Rangers stacking every piece of Racc gear they own in an attempt to magically bypass 95% really as silly as I've always believed it was?

Barrage isn't an exception, but reason behind doing that is to ensure you're hitting the cap. RNG has great accuracy but in usual TP gear and attack food, you're not always going to be capped. And every point below the cap can screw over your barrage.

[Maxxthepenguin]

Great sword can gtfo, tbh.

For /THF I've been using Martial Scythe (seriously) recently (150-200tp spiral hell) and, frankly, it has done splendidly. Scythe is better for /SAM and /WAR, bar none, because it can do significantly more DoT. I don't ever use Great Sword anymore. The 7 natural skill, 5 skill from abyssal, 7 from justice torque (I don't have prudence), and 16 from merits ahead of Gswd make it much more worthwhile for me. With optimal gear for both and using full merits for gswd and scythe (who would actually do that) it would go down to a 12 skill bonus, still substantial. Great sword might do a tiny bit better...but I doubt it's worth the extra gear. It's not like /THF is useful for that much.