WoTLK Beta

[JasoNintendo]

Destro's just been nerfed alot recently, it's gone from being the ultimate in terms of scaling to a tree which will only be worth it once it has something to scale, lol. Hopefully next pass will fix it.

As for a leveling build 70-80, I'd start like 61 points in affliction at 70 for everything except grim reach, malediction, imp fear, frailty and suppression (it's really bloated atm), but by the next patch I recon they're gonna change a few things. The rest of the points I'd start putting into Demonic Embrace and Fel Vitality in demonology just for the health/mana boosts.

Edit: Gulk, with all the boosts to DoT effects and potentially the new Metamorphosis, and especially the change to Ruin being a 5 point talent lower in Destro means that Affliction and Demonology will at least be competitive for raiding spots. If they keep up the nerfs to destro and keep making the other tree's better it may even turn Destro into a more pvp-oriented tree seeing as soul link is now easily obtainable aswell as shadowfury and even chaos bolt. What I would like to see in destro is the 21 pointer instead of being a 5% crit, a 1 min cooldown ability which either gives you 100% crit for your next spell or like 50% crit for 6 seconds, just makes it for a 'usable' 21 pointer rather than a plain passive 5% crit.

[Noobta]

Didn't they make corruption always instant cast? Or is that coming in a future build

[Correction]

Affliction = fast lvling/requires effort

demo = decent lvling = afk mode

destro = instance/raids

as always!

Still using succubus levelling affliction?

[JasoNintendo]

Nah, switch to felhunter, he'll keep his own mana up while adding to your dps with the new shadow bite, and gives you a lil extra survivability/utility. I was looking at a way to trim some points so you can start with either soul link or haunt, but I can't really see the way with the number of good boosts in affliction, at least at the moment.

Corruption instant-cast, metamorphosis change and the switch between devastation and ruin is all the next patch (hopefully with alot more changes).

Edit: did some more talent tweaking, I'd try something like this:
http://talent.mmo-champion.com/?warl...00000000000000
last point at level 70 could go to haunt or soul link depending on your preference, then 71 is the other. Then the rest of your 72-80 should fill out the good affliction stuff (come to think of it this looks like the almost de facto leveling spec, soul link + rediculous sustainability gooo).

[Correction]

I was thinking more along the lines of:

http://wotlk.wowhead.com/?talent=IbxMotrhkVAR0stZe

with points in either imp. felhunter (if Shadow Bite is comparable to Lash of Pain) or filling out Bane. I remember getting more use out of shadow bolt in instances than my affliction spells.

[Gulkeeva]

Still using succubus levelling affliction?

I use a imp.. I fight 4-5 mobs at a time aoe fear n spam more.. constantly

it did Lv 60-> 70 in about 3 irl days

[JasoNintendo]

The build I suggested is more for solo grinding/questing. If you're gonna do alot of instancing while leveling it's not too bad, you'll still be doing plenty of dps through the affliction talents. If you're looking for a more dungeon-friendly build, yeah I'd put points in destro for bane/ISB, as it drastically increases the dps of shadow bolt.

[Correction]

I use a imp.. I fight 4-5 mobs at a time aoe fear n spam more.. constantly

it did Lv 60-> 70 in about 3 irl days

I mostly used the pull, dot, fear, dot x2, send pet repeat method. It's a little risky in mob-crowded areas but it works wonders as long as you don't mind skipping the occasional corpse looting. For this reason I hate the imp, who has zero ability to help you kill a fleeing mob.

I've yet to see any numbers on Shadow Bite vs. Lash of Pain though, I'll dig through more. On the one hand, Lash of Pain does consistent damage. Shadow Bite requires a small stack of dots to get any bonuses, so the first one will always do less damage than Lash of Pain. If a mob dies in 12-16 seconds is the dot stack enough to pull ahead? To e-j!

[Gulkeeva]

I don't like to use pet to level besides anything other then a mana tank (which imp is awesome at) I buildup affliction spec to be... the mass aoe crowd control spec!

http://wotlk.wowhead.com/?talent=IbxMbtrhoViRcstbxz

I get soul link by like lv 73... even faster lvling (but you pretty much cannot die this spec unless you got 10+ mobs hitting you.

The spec will keep you 'very' busy spamming dots like a machine gun... durability falls kind of fast but its nonstop killing, averages about 250,000-300,000+ exp an hour (without questing)

[Scythiroth]

The actually spelling was taken, and I am weird and just like naming characters after anime characters that are somewhat similar to the class I am playing. Couldn't really think of any other mage type anime characters at the time I made it.

[fantasticdan]

I mostly used the pull, dot, fear, dot x2, send pet repeat method. It's a little risky in mob-crowded areas but it works wonders as long as you don't mind skipping the occasional corpse looting. For this reason I hate the imp, who has zero ability to help you kill a fleeing mob.

I've yet to see any numbers on Shadow Bite vs. Lash of Pain though, I'll dig through more. On the one hand, Lash of Pain does consistent damage. Shadow Bite requires a small stack of dots to get any bonuses, so the first one will always do less damage than Lash of Pain. If a mob dies in 12-16 seconds is the dot stack enough to pull ahead? To e-j!

Both of them do completely insignificant damage. The point is with imp. felhunter, it gets double the damage it does back in mana, to use as a battery for dark pact. And if you're on a pvp server, rolling with felhunter out is much safer.

And I don't know why you'd fear regular mobs while leveling, just spec affliction or SL/SL and just DoT things as you run past. You can fight at least 4-5 mobs at once, with siphon life/drain life keeping you healed, and dark pact/life tap keeping you near max mana.

Personally I would spec something like this at 70 to start leveling: http://talent.mmo-champion.com/?warl...00000000000000

EDIT: Fixed talent calculator link.

[Correction]

Excellent. Just what I needed to hear.

[Noobta]

Are the gathering profession effects in beta yet? The 35stam,25crit etc. What's the skill requirement if they are?

[Rivero]

It works in terms of mastery levels...So it's like 75,125,225,300,375,425 etc.

And I know the mining one is implemented already cause I'm getting a tooltip with stamina bonuses.

[Lbelle]

SL/Affliction is the BEST leveling spec. You can kill so many mobs at once and never ever come close to dying, and if somehow you do, you can instant AOE fear everything and just drain back to full. It's so good for leveling, and I don't understand how people say demo leveling is easier/better/faster. I affliction leveled all the way to 70, then switched to destro once I had the correct gearset for it, but for leveling affliction is definitely the way to go imo.

[Rivero]

With the new Dark Pact using imp means you'll never need to take a break to life tap back mana and bandage/eat. No more downtime is awesome. : p

[Gulkeeva]

Are the gathering profession effects in beta yet? The 35stam,25crit etc. What's the skill requirement if they are?

You need 450 for the skills, auto learned anywhere you are it was 15 crit from 375 -> 449
http://www.neko-sentai.com/images4a/...008_140632.jpg

Unsure about mining since that levels at some ungodly slow pace


and before anyone asks about hunter skills...!
http://www.neko-sentai.com/images4a/...208_223704.jpg

yes your pet auto learns it, and uses it no matter what your doing when it levels!

[Ishido]

I'm eagerly awaiting people crying about 5 feral staves from Naxx (10 and 25 combined).

[Fayttt]

I just find it funny I dont think I'll upgrade my staff until Naxx (have the badge one, I could be wrong if they added one into heroics or something but I forget) then I'll probably have to get at least two-three out of Naxx alone, lol.

[Ishido]

Badge one will be upgraded before Naxx most likely.

You won't be going from 1200 FAP to 2000 FAP instantly.

http://wotlk.wowhead.com/?item=36980

Also a few others that are smaller upgrades or sidegrades, and the Blue PvP staff which will presumably be from honor (though possibly not available until arena season starts).