WoTLK Beta

[fantasticdan]

The gnomes were created by the titans like dwarves, so they are sort of related in that way. They were responsible for some of the tech that the dwarves and alliance used in past WC games, like gyrocopters or w/e they were called. Really they don't have a whole lot of backstory besides that and gnomeregan.

[Rivero]

Gnomes weren't in WCIII at all, they had withdrawn from the Alliance after the second war to fight the invading Troggs, whom Gnomeregan was eventually lost to. Gnomes had... One unit in WCII, and zero in WCI. Very unimportant race outside of WoW, where their lore was, I feel, properly explained...

Tauren were important in WCIII, as they were pretty much the new Horde's only allies.

You're forgetting the Trolls and the Mok'nathal. : p

And to the above poster, Gnomes were not creating by the Titans and in fact have nothing to do with anything related to the creation of the dwarfish race which apparently originated from another being that was one with the "earth". Gnomes have no distinguishing features that can be traced to dwarfish roots aside from being midgets I guess.

Point is, Gnome is a useless race lore-wise just like Goblins,Draenei,etc. (don't use some made-up ex eredar reference crap either.) but it attracts most of the community because the truth is probably only 10% of the people who play WoW actually care or find an interest behind the lore.

[Moosey]

You're forgetting the Trolls and the Mok'nathal. : p

And to the above poster, Gnomes were not creating by the Titans and in fact have nothing to do with anything related to the creation of the dwarfish race which apparently originated from another being that was one with the "earth". Gnomes have no distinguishing features that can be traced to dwarfish roots aside from being midgets I guess.

Point is, Gnome is a useless race lore-wise just like Goblins,Draenei,etc. (don't use some made-up ex eredar reference crap either.) but it attracts most of the community because the truth is probably only 10% of the people who play WoW actually care or find an interest behind the lore.

Are you in the beta at all, and if so, have you done any quests in borean tundra?

There is a gnome outpost there, which has quests basically saying that they used to be robots created by the titans.

[Rivero]

Are you in the beta at all, and if so, have you done any quests in borean tundra?

There is a gnome outpost there, which has quests basically saying that they used to be robots created by the titans.

I have leveled a Warlock to 75 on the beta, yes. I'm horde though, and if that is true then its most likely invented for Wrath and sounds pretty stupid if you ask me.

[Eaglestrike]

I have leveled a Warlock to 75 on the beta, yes. I'm horde though, and if that is true then its most likely invented for Wrath and sounds pretty stupid if you ask me.

"Khaz'Goroth who is believed to be the titan behind dwarves, humans and gnomesAPG #?. Khaz'Goroth was the architect and shaper of the lands of Azeroth."

From wowwiki.com/Titans

It makes sense, the Titans are (believed to be) the creators of all Azeroth. So it's not exactly hard to imagine they created the gnomes. I knew the trolls were the oldest race (as a theory was the night elves were originally trolls who evolved and I'm not sure that's been proven untrue yet at least) but didn't know the Tauren were there too. I really enjoy the lore of WoW and I think the story is as good as FFXI. It's just not as good at emotion and actually telling the story, as FFXI pretty much makes you go for the story and WoW doesn't force that on people.

[Moosey]

"Khaz'Goroth who is believed to be the titan behind dwarves, humans and gnomesAPG #?. Khaz'Goroth was the architect and shaper of the lands of Azeroth."

From wowwiki.com/Titans

It makes sense, the Titans are (believed to be) the creators of all Azeroth. So it's not exactly hard to imagine they created the gnomes. I knew the trolls were the oldest race (as a theory was the night elves were originally trolls who evolved and I'm not sure that's been proven untrue yet at least) but didn't know the Tauren were there too. I really enjoy the lore of WoW and I think the story is as good as FFXI. It's just not as good at emotion and actually telling the story, as FFXI pretty much makes you go for the story and WoW doesn't force that on people.

It seems the emotion factor is growing, as seen in the wrath gate video.

They're definitely getting there.

[fantasticdan]

I have leveled a Warlock to 75 on the beta, yes. I'm horde though, and if that is true then its most likely invented for Wrath and sounds pretty stupid if you ask me.

No it wasn't invented for wrath, it was mentioned in the uldum quests.

[Dezzimal]

wheres the bahleet key

[Rivero]

No it wasn't invented for wrath, it was mentioned in the uldum quests.

Everyone is missing my point. I simply made the claim that gnomes are virtually useless lore-wise. You're gonna count just one stupid quest from Gnomergan? You can't compare that to the pages and countless famous heroes from the other races. Point is, Gnomes are next to useless as the Draenei are, if they make anything up it'll just sound ridiculous.

I never stated Gnomes weren't created by the titans but there is nothing in between the supposed "creation" and what happened in the second war. Yes they built machines, but that's all they've got really and the goblins are no less on par with their technology as far as that goes.

I'll cite from wowwiki as well:

"No one knows much about the gnomes' history before dwarves discovered them; not even the gnomes know much of their own history prior to the Second War."

"The quest The Mechagnomes suggests that the gnomes had their origins as a "species" of robots created in Ulduar by a Titan called "The Grand Architect" and that the transition from a mechanical to a "fleshy" species is a natural, or at least an expected, process. Gearmaster Mechazod has the ability to revert gnomes back to their robotic form, but most would prefer he didn't."

Two paragraphs. : / They had to put something I guess but honestly I can't blame Blizzard for failing to make a good lore for a race that looks so stupid and is so useless in Warcraft terms.

[fantasticdan]

Everyone is missing my point. I simply made the claim that gnomes are virtually useless lore-wise. You're gonna count just one stupid quest from Gnomergan? You can't compare that to the pages and countless famous heroes from the other races. Point is, Gnomes are next to useless as the Draenei are, if they make anything up it'll just sound ridiculous.

Uldum isn't gnomeregan, it's the unopened dungeon in tarnaris. The quest-line that mentions gnomes and humans being created by titans is started at the discs at the end of uldamen, but I don't remember if it mentions it there or when you bring them to uldum later. For someone that does a lot of complaining about the wow storyline, you sure don't know a lot about it.

[Correction]

Two paragraphs. : / They had to put something I guess but honestly I can't blame Blizzard for failing to make a good lore for a race that looks so stupid and is so useless in Warcraft terms.

Racist.

No really, your hatred of gnomes is inexplicable. Just because they're not as lore-rich as the other races you just sneer at them like some reject from an RP server. Who the fuck cares? They get nice racials, look cool in plate and make funny sounds when you kill them. That's fun enough for me.

[Noobta]

I have yet to see a gnome with glaives, I bet it looks awesome

[Katlan]

Anybody who mentions Gnomer makes me think of those noob days when I got gang rapped by more gnomes then the game could process... I loved that place

[Ramor]

I have yet to see a gnome with glaives, I bet it looks awesome

it looks kind of goofy honestly, there's at least one gnome in my battlegroup that i see in AV/WSG from time to time who has them

I just dislike gnomes because they seem to be part of a rather epic battle and yet don't really have an explained place in it aside from 'The Dwarves found 'em first' type deal

also their heads are too big and makes helms look weird

[Gulkeeva]

Midgets are evil, just like in ffxi the midgets are evil... race of EVIL!

[Bweigelt]

I have yet to see a gnome with glaives, I bet it looks awesome

They look like freaking glowing Scarabs with them, it's fucking rad.

[Koyangi]

Looked at the Paladin tree, and all mana costs afaics all say x% of base mana as costs instead of a solid number, how exactly does this work out, and for those pally's out there did it seem like overall, (holy and ret mainly) that you used less mana or more with these changes?

[Eaglestrike]

Looked at the Paladin tree, and all mana costs afaics all say x% of base mana as costs instead of a solid number, how exactly does this work out, and for those pally's out there did it seem like overall, (holy and ret mainly) that you used less mana or more with these changes?

Ret and prot have no mana issues whatsoever. Holy if geared well is usually fine on mana too and in 5-mans never has mana issues since they can use divine plea between pulls. Holy also crits more so more mana conservation there.

[Koyangi]

Ret and prot have no mana issues whatsoever. Holy if geared well is usually fine on mana too and in 5-mans never has mana issues since they can use divine plea between pulls. Holy also crits more so more mana conservation there.

thanks for fast reply, really looking forward to nov 13th

[Plow]

lolboomkin

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AjoR8QPe8_4