WoTLK Beta

[fantasticdan]

Only thing preventing this in bg's, technically, is the anti-scouting deserter debuff.


Why is it silly that if a pve'er can switch specs on the fly between combat a pvp'er could as well?

Like I said, there is a ton of precedence for people switching specs between raid fights. There is no precedence for switching specs in a BG. If they don't allow it in arena, why would they in battlegrounds? If anything, respeccing during a battleground is more akin to respeccing during a raid boss, not after or before.

Currently respeccing between fights just wastes time, and my soul shards, it doesn't impact the fight itself. On the other hand, it could impact battlegrounds in a big way, but not for all classes. A paladin for example could switch to prot to run a flag, or solo defend a node for as long as possible, switch to holy to defend a flag carrier, etc. Where as a mage can do what? Spec out of frost for no reason?

It would also encourage people to have TWO pvp specs, and give them an advantage for doing so. For example on my lock I will probably have an affliction raiding spec, and an affliction pvp spec, but if I had both an affliction pvp spec, and a deep demo pvp spec, it would give me a similar but lesser edge of switching to a prot spec, using meta for temporary survivability in certain situations.

They also announced they are trying to implement rated BGs. It would be retarded if everyone has to base strategy around everyone being able to respec on the fly, not to mention use both of their spec slots on pvp if they want to be at the top of their game. In that sense it defeats the one of the main reasons for adding the second spec slot in the first place.

[Plow]

Like I said, there is a ton of precedence for people switching specs between raid fights. There is no precedence for switching specs in a BG. If they don't allow it in arena, why would they in battlegrounds? If anything, respeccing during a battleground is more akin to respeccing during a raid boss, not after or before.

Currently respeccing between fights just wastes time, and my soul shards, it doesn't impact the fight itself. On the other hand, it could impact battlegrounds in a big way, but not for all classes. A paladin for example could switch to prot to run a flag, or solo defend a node for as long as possible, switch to holy to defend a flag carrier, etc. Where as a mage can do what? Spec out of frost for no reason?

It would also encourage people to have TWO pvp specs, and give them an advantage for doing so. For example on my lock I will probably have an affliction raiding spec, and an affliction pvp spec, but if I had both an affliction pvp spec, and a deep demo pvp spec, it would give me a similar but lesser edge of switching to a prot spec, using meta for temporary survivability in certain situations.

They also announced they are trying to implement rated BGs. It would be retarded if everyone has to base strategy around everyone being able to respec on the fly, not to mention use both of their spec slots on pvp if they want to be at the top of their game. In that sense it defeats the one of the main reasons for adding the second spec slot in the first place.

First bolded = wut

Second bolded, if the main purpose, as stated by blizzard, is to allow respeccing for different parts of dungeons, i.e. 2 pve specs, why would 2 pvp specs be any different?

[fantasticdan]

First bold: whether you have your ele shaman hearth, respec, and get summoned back, boot your ele shaman and summon a resto shaman, or just have your ele shaman respec before the fight, it's all the same result; you have a resto shaman for that boss fight.

Second, go read blue posts on the forums; they also want people who both pvp and pve to do both without having to deal with time/gold sinks at trainers. Having to pve specs is not the only purpose.

And for the third time, the difference between having 2 pve specs and 2 pvp specs, is that having access to 2 pve specs on the fly doesn't impact fight balance, it only saves time/money/reagents. Having access to 2 pvp specs in mid battleground greatly impacts balance.

[Plow]

nobody gives a shit about balance in battlegrounds, did you not notice druids in tbc?

[fantasticdan]

Did you not notice they are trying to implement rated BGs in wotlk?

[Correction]

nobody gives a shit about balance in battlegrounds, did you not notice druids in tbc?

The problem with switching to multiple specs in battlegrounds is that it makes certain classes too good. A paladin can heal on offense and spam consecrate on a flag on defense, and the only thing he needs to do it is to get out of combat long enough to switch specs and change his gear.

Meanwhile a Rogue can...um...spec out of...hmmm. Oh! Warlocks can...erm...hmm...

Not every class gets two viable PvP specs, even in WotLK.

[Eaglestrike]

The problem with switching to multiple specs in battlegrounds is that it makes certain classes too good. A paladin can heal on offense and spam consecrate on a flag on defense, and the only thing he needs to do it is to get out of combat long enough to switch specs and change his gear.

Meanwhile a Rogue can...um...spec out of...hmmm. Oh! Warlocks can...erm...hmm...

Not every class gets two viable PvP specs, even in WotLK.

The ability to change specs may be what makes paladin PvP viable...

[Correction]

Paladin PvP in battlegrounds is plenty viable. They'll get the best of both worlds now. Rejoice, for now the synergies that exist deep in 2/3 of your spec trees will be avaiable during PvP.

[Gulkeeva]

Made a little naxx video with my hunter

Hunter PoV naxxramas 10man Kel'Thuzad (last few min)
Shows how fast viper gets mana back and pet damage

Royale = 25man naxx geared hunter
Erina = Heroics/naxx 10man geared hunter


last 3-4min
70MB
---> SAVE AS<---
http://www.neko-sentai.com/tmpvid/kel10mannaxx.avi

Was kind of sleepy since the fight was near 5am ( 2:40ish is the server time PST, i'm in CST +2 hours)

I'll add a sapphiron video later (full fight video)

[Correction]

I hear a different VO for Kel...guess this means a they redid Arthas for the RP events too.

[Zalius]

lol, specchanging making classes viable

[Plow]

The problem with switching to multiple specs in battlegrounds is that it makes certain classes too good. A paladin can heal on offense and spam consecrate on a flag on defense, and the only thing he needs to do it is to get out of combat long enough to switch specs and change his gear.

Meanwhile a Rogue can...um...spec out of...hmmm. Oh! Warlocks can...erm...hmm...

Not every class gets two viable PvP specs, even in WotLK.

Holy crap do you even play WoW?


oh and meaningful rated bg's have been ruled out due to inability to balance rewards

[Zalius]

nah they're doing something else, blizzcon was really vague but basically theyre going to try to add some kind of system that penalizes afkers and rewards people that actually do well

[Correction]

Holy crap do you even play WoW?


oh and meaningful rated bg's have been ruled out due to inability to balance rewards

Holy crap are you incapable of responding to something without being a dick about it?

Say your piece reasonably or spew enough trash into the thread to turn it into a flamefest and get it locked. So far you're doing great on the latter.

[fantasticdan]

nah they're doing something else, blizzcon was really vague but basically theyre going to try to add some kind of system that penalizes afkers and rewards people that actually do well

They also said something about guild vs. guild battlegrounds, where I would assume your guild would function similar to an arena team in terms of rating.

[Plow]

Ok

The problem with switching to multiple specs in battlegrounds is that it makes certain classes too good.

The same risk is run with pve. Why carry an extra warrior if you can have a paladin that can switch between healer or tank on the fly, and dps is just a hearth and summon away?

A paladin can heal on offense and spam consecrate on a flag on defense, and the only thing he needs to do it is to get out of combat long enough to switch specs and change his gear.

A. a holy paladin can heal and still has consecrate...

B. consecrate doesn't stop flag caps so uh yeah...

Meanwhile a Rogue can...um...spec out of...hmmm. Oh! Warlocks can...erm...hmm...

umm umm mutilate or combat for ganking fc's/defending flag, shs for carrying? dagger build when about to gank a priest, back to shs to head after that druid? rogues have as flexible talent setups as anyone

Not every class gets two viable PvP specs, even in WotLK.

Really? Who doesn't?

[Royal]

Made a little naxx video with my hunter

Hunter PoV naxxramas 10man Kel'Thuzad (last few min)
Shows how fast viper gets mana back and pet damage

Royale = 25man naxx geared hunter
Erina = Heroics/naxx 10man geared hunter


last 3-4min
70MB
---> SAVE AS<---
http://www.neko-sentai.com/tmpvid/kel10mannaxx.avi

Was kind of sleepy since the fight was near 5am ( 2:40ish is the server time PST, i'm in CST +2 hours)

I'll add a sapphiron video later (full fight video)

Im missing a codec, where can i get it?

[Gulkeeva]

it uses divx, but you can use this also

http://www.free-codecs.com/download/FFDshow.htm

it plays everything
The audio is mp3

[Blackmagik]

it uses divx, but you can use this also

http://www.free-codecs.com/download/FFDshow.htm

it plays everything
The audio is mp3

whats your hunters spec for the new talents? im assuming bm like 51/xx/xx obviously?

[Noobta]

Is faerie fire feral trainable now? I didn't see it on the talent calculator, unless I'm blind.