[Midgardsormr] Jhedin + Ketra (bc)

[Linsivi]

Any info regarding these two?

[Tythera]

Willing to bet it's supposed to be Ketra, and if so they're both worth a trial at the very least. Never really did much of anything with Jhedin (a salvage and assault or two I think) and while I was in a LS with Ketra for a while, I didn't pay much attention to how they were doing at events (she mostly played bard). Both nice enough people. Good luck over there you two if you shift.

[Kipling]

Jhed was cool, I never had any problems with him. Ketra has been regarded as.. crazy by alot of people I was in the social shell with.(Jhed + ket+ me and others all in the same socal shell on Midgard for quite awhile.) She ended up leaving and taking Jhed with her over some random comment someone made that wasn't in the least offensive, and emo'd out hardcore over it. XD She just makes big fights out of nothing and tries to get people angry at her or so it seemed. I'd trial Jhed, but Idk if the other one is worth it if your shell isn't big on emo people XD That's how I and alot of other's knew her anyway, just my 2 cents.

[Linsivi]

Yeh it is >.> Ketna has been on my server since forever. Brain fart.

[EdgeMoragan]

I'm surprised there's actually not a wave of angry people posting here, so for the time being I'll give my take on it all, which I hope to guide at being useful to the OP instead of a vent. I would bother to flame the guy except that really, he just won't care in the least, and the OP wants information about him as a member so here it is from a leader and shell-mates viewpoint.

Jhedin is extremely self serving and selfish when it comes to items, he is however, a nice guy to people, and fun to hang out around. Ketra has bats in the belfry, and I know a lot of people who have always avoided Jhedin just from her presence alone.

Jhedin is the classic case of: Use LS for a Relic, ditch the LS within a month after obtaining it without even sticking around to help out. Which he agreed to do.

Would I pearl Jhed? Maybe, I'll set this all straight right now... I guarantee, without a doubt, that when he is done getting whatever it is he wants or needs, he -will leave- immediately. No matter how nice he seems, or what he says, that is a pure and 100% fact. I have watched him do this in an LS I helped lead, and in another LS I was a member of, Jhedin never changes his pattern.

If you want to pearl him, my honest advice is that you always work him BEFORE you give him something, and never after. He -is- a skilled player, he does act nice, but no matter how he plays, or how he acts, he will have a lame-ass excuse and disappear in a puff of smoke the moment he gets whatever it is he needs. Be intelligent, make him work the 100% before you give him the item, so he leaves after earning it and nobody feels butthurt, then both sides have basically won. Most of the bad decisions he makes, Ketra totally cheers him on into, so tread with care to manipulation if she is pearled as well, she can be tirelessly tenacious in making sure she and Jhedin get what she thinks they need, no matter who it ruins relations with. Jhedin will stick through a situation if he hates it and is working for something, Ketra will literally just warp out the second she feels she's not getting her way, and I have witnessed this personally in both shells I worked with them in.

My actual rant:
If it matters at all, nearly the entire dynamis shell Jhedin just got Apoc from are pretty upset or even enraged with him, moreso by this post when he promised he wasn't at all up to something like this. Though, I hope the information provided is at least helpful.

[Torideal]

Hello

I'm another Howitzer dynamis member. I have known Jhedin from game to game for around 15 years now through a multi-gaming guild we shared before it died out. In my time with that guild (Tarot), I served as Judgment and gained quite a bit of experience in handling the standard forum drama that came up over time.

I'm posting here not to directly support or counter Jhedin and Ketra's application, but rather to give a brief timeline of events that led up to Jhedin leaving Howitzer a few months following the completion of his relic.

This timeline begins back in the limbus shell, Eternal light. Jhedin and Ketra both played jobs they did not like, but had no other jobs available that fit the shells style. They spoke with the leaders and offered to level other jobs to replace that would be more appealing to them and still fit the shells needs. They did so, finishing the jobs early this year. I can't claim to know the details of the drama that followed, but sekzy and fawk in particular were named as the involved leaders. They apparently decided they would not accept the new jobs. Ketra and Jhedin left the shell.

That story was a shortended version of one I heard from Jhedin directly. The only thing I want you to notice in it is that there is bad blood between Jhedin and Fawk/Sekzy from this drama. Meanwhile, in Howitzer, Jhedin completes his relic scythe in May. A few months later, some RL issues reduce his play time to the game. He spoke with Northstar (the shellholder for Howitzer) and, with her approval, posts that he will need to take a break from the shell.

The post that followed that statement wasn't a flame. It was more along the lines of a troll, posting to incite others to flame him. This post was made by Sekzy. Jhedin responded before Northy could. He demanded the post be deleted. The next post came from fawk and was on the same lines. Fishing for flames without flaming himself. That's when Northy got to the scene. Now the correct response is to know that there is already bad blood here (Northy, being in EL, would know something of what happened there), and that this problem will spill into a major drama event if not stopped.

Whether it was inexperience or a decision to appease fawk and sekzy, who were leads in EL to which she still belonged and fawk hosted the boards, she did not directly say anything to either of them. She did not delete their posts. She told Jhedin that he was responsible for defending himself to the rest of the ls and locked the thread. If she was a member, nothing would have been said about her response. As shellholder tho, her response and lack of action justified the trolls in front of the entire shell.

Jhedin's response, posted in a new thread in a more appropriate forum for the direction the topic had taken, was abrasive. It was long, gave no new information, and included several curses. Most of the posts that followed were "neutral" in that they weren't flames, but they weren't support. As such, Jhedin remained fairly defensive in his replys. Northy finally locked the thread due to drama levels being too high.

Fawk, as site host, uses his admin rights to post a full flame in the locked thread. Again, Northy does nothing. No words against fawk for the flame or for going behind her back and posting in a thread she specifically locked. Jhedin dropped his pearl and placed a cross server application as you well know. Yes, that statement does belong here. He did not do those things as soon as he announced his hiatus, nor did he consider them at that time.

This thread was found by Howitzer a few days later. Fawk again used his admin rights to bypass Northstar's lock and post the link. Northstar's response was ("Switching server is taking a "break".. *greatly disappointed...*"). With that, she opened the thread. Now, take a look at that response. She took everything out of the fun little context called "time" and, by unlocking the thread, was actively encouraging flames against Jhedin.

Only two flames followed before the thread was locked again. The first was by Sekzy. The second was by Dashuto.

I want to say one more thing at the end of this. There are not that many people in Howitzer that hate Jhedin for leaving, as Dashuto seems to indicate. The regular members of Takara are still around, despite the fact that most of them came from Howitzer and many of them have been asked about the incident and don't think worse of Jhedin for it.

Sorry for the novel.
~Torideal, Judgment

[EdgeMoragan]

Hello

I'm another Howitzer dynamis member. I have known Jhedin from game to game for around 15 years now through a multi-gaming guild we shared before it died out.

I'm posting multiple paragraphs that obviously defend my old-time friend Jhedin. Including about a Limbus LS I know nothing about beyond what he told me.

~Torideal, "Judgment"

Fixed for truth. Up until now I attempted not to speak too many names or flame, other posters and myself were somewhat vague, but it seems someone broke the chain all the posters till now had going. Unfortunately, I feel obliged to reply.--------


Hi, I'm a sackholder of EternalLight, and you've never been a member Torideal, so allow me to enlighten you as to what you feel you can include in your essay to defend Jhedin.

The Rules of EternalLight-Limbus are you come as the jobs you are needed as. Torideal, it's obvious you're simply a staunch defender of Jhedin, as you have the twisted side of the story he gave you. Jhedin and Ketra tried to RETIRE jobs like WHM, BRD, THF, to instead come as jobs like PLD, RDM (We have like 8 rdm not kidding) to limbus runs. They applied for the shell as these previously mentioned jobs: and only a quarter later they wanted to never come as them anymore, claiming they would be entirely unavailable to play the jobs they had applied to the shell with. They never, in any way shape or form, discussed in advance that they would want to -permanently retire- the jobs they had applied as. They changed their minds without warning, on a whim, and told us to DEAL with it or too bad.

This all happened almost immediately following the run that Jhedin recieved his Homam Legs on, but that comes and goes with any item in any shell. They were told that despite that they'd need to come as the jobs we'd need them to, or not bother coming at all, we don't accept something silly like "retirements". They refused, and said they would absolutely not come on jobs they didn't want to be on. So, they were no longer welcome if they weren't willing to work with everyone and pull their own weight. The shell has an application process for a reason: we only need certain jobs.

If you had read any of those threads, leadership was upset that despite Jhedin being "no longer available" for dynamis and "needing a break". He was applying to full on endgame shells such as Virtus(They didn't know any of this, leave em alone), and even attempting to run his own sky LS, "Takara". He also told his Salvage shell that he would never be missing a run...

I feel as if this has been sock-puppeted. I wasn't flaming before, and wasn't looking for a load of trouble, but seeing things head this direction I'm beginning to doubt not caring anymore. Torideal was never in EternalLight limbus and doesn't know jack about what went on other than what Jhed has said, which is a bold faced Lie.

The thread was indeed locked for drama, and it was purposely unlocked again at the development that a background check on BG was discovered for Jhedin, proving everyones suspicions and points correct. It was unlocked so the BG thread could also linked, allowing all the members who would otherwise have no clue of what was going on, to find it and read freely. Jhedin DIDN'T tell anyone he dropped pearl and was server hopping with his shiny new Apoc. We learned that here- on BG. He tried to stealth an app on Midgar, and he tried to stealth an app to another server. Fawk unlocked the threads with Northstar's permission, Howitzer is still HER board even if its hosted on the same place. Fawk had stuff to say and Nor didn't. The stuff to say was: Look at this BG thread we found! Post unlocked, replies made, post re-locked. So all could see what was really going on. Jhedin--->Leviathan.

tl;dr= Tori doesn't know what he's talking about and has decided to drag 3rd party shell events into the Relic Fiasco, in an attempt to make some seem like the badguys. Friends will defend friends, this time it wasn't done with the facts.

[Beanie-Midgardsormr]

Oi oi =.=

I was going to forgo posting in this thread or anything related to it, but I'm at a point where I feel a need to toss out my own $0.02 if we're going to venture down this road.

I suppose I'll start from the bottom up and clarify as I can along the way. First off [wave to Tori] I doubt you remember me as a member of the Tarot, but I was. Sadly, the people I was most fond of left the game years ago and the guild died out.

Anyhow, I would politely remind that when you speak it is only for yourself. And, quite honestly, your knowledge of the topics you're discussing is very limited at best. That's to be expected from a member who only shows up to Dynamis once a week at most and isn't very active on our forums. You've gotten an outside perspective of a situation you don't have all of the information on, so what you've presented is one sided and incomplete.

I would also politely point out that up to this point, posts on this thread have been general without mentioning any names or specific drama. Absolutely everyone has skeletons in their closet and disagreements with one player or another. That's to be expected and is simply human nature. To drag specific names or situations out serves only to create drama for those involved, who must now clarify or defend their positions due to what you've done. That helps no one and only adds mud to Midgardsormr's name.

Now, let's take another look at your incomplete "facts", which were gleaned from a handful of forum posts that were restricted to members only (which should have given you, a former admin, some indication of the sensitivity of the contents, but we'll let that pass since you've decided to open the box...).

Within *days* (allow me to emphasis this: *D-A-Y-S*, as in 24 hour periods of time) of Jhed's completion of Apoc he informed the shell leadership that he would be cutting down his participation to once a week (Saturdays only). The reason was because he'd gotten into a Sky shell and wanted to pursue that goal since he'd now completed his Dynamis goal. I won't pass judgment on that decision, it's not my place. I will say that, unlike you and at Jhed's request, I had a role in smoothing things over after this change in status quo. The shell leadership and Jhed came to an amiable understanding of where each other stood and that was that.

As for what you've seen recently was Jhed restricting his participation even further. It was still relatively soon after the completion of Apoc that he decided he wouldn't be participating any longer. It takes well over a year to do a relic start to finish. A "few months" is nothing in comparison. The shell leadership was justified in asking him to explain himself to the membership and not hide behind the leadership since the completion of a relic is an investment not only of gil, but of the time for scores of players. Again, you might not appreciate this investment since your ability to attend is limited and you likely haven't seen a weapon developed from Stage 1 to completion, but I have and I know what goes into it in terms of the sacrifice of the shell's members. To simply farm Dynamis for AF2 or currency is easy. To go through the process of acquiring attestations and fragments... that can cost XP, time and gil (such as the number of attempts it might take to acquire the items in question.)

Again, it's not my place to judge Jhed's decisions on how he spends his in-game time, but I want *you* to fully grasp just what a gift (yes, a gift) he was given by our LS and how he's treated our members since then. Relics are not an item that your Moogle finds under the bed and gives you after a Conquest Tally. It takes knowledge, skill, effort, and most importantly commitment from a number of people to accomplish this task. It would be insulting to our leadership and to us, the members, to not offer some degree of loyalty after such an effort as been put forth. If participation cannot be given, at least a basic explanation without expletives is in order.

I'd point out, quite accurately, that Jhed has a number of friends within our Dynamis LS. Folks who will go the distance for him both in Dynamis and outside of it. I don't drag my tail out to Sea to Raise III anyone who bothers to die out there, but for Jhed I have repeatedly gone the distance and would continue to do so if he's still on our server. So, since he has these friends who have offered him friendship, don't you think it would be natural to be concerned? To want to know what's on his mind? To offer him comfort if he'd share his concern? Oddly enough, these are all traits that friends have to offer and the answer given was, as I mentioned, expletive filled and unsatisfactory at best. As his friend, I find myself disappointed that he's taken that approach, though I'll still wait patiently for whatever bee is in his bonnet to work it's way out.

Having said all that and completely and totally abandoning the topic of this thread, allow me to briefly hit upon the original poster's question:

Ketra is a WHM, NIN, RDM, BRD. She's "retired" BRD. From the remaining three jobs that I've seen, RDM is her strongest in my opinion. As other posters have mentioned, sometimes misunderstandings get blown out of proportion and into fights. A patient person can unravel such misgivings and the world goes on.

As for Jhed, he's a DRK BLM THF PLD WHM. In my opinion the jobs I've listed are ordered from strongest to weakest. He doesn't play WHM or PLD anymore. Obviously DRK is a source of pride and he does play it well. He's a smart player. He's very dedicated towards his goals and will pull others along with him if they can add to his success. (Such as, he'll organize Assault AP farming if it will facilitate people doing Salvage with him.) He always shows up on time for events and is prepared to give 100%.

Having said that, what others have said is also true. Once he's gotten whatever item interests him, his interest in the event in question immediately wanes. It is not just with his Dynamis LS. His interest in Sky waned once he'd gotten his C. gauntlet abj. Likewise drama was created with his former Limbus LS soon after he'd gotten Homam. I won't insult the members of this forum by telling stories I don't personally know regarding either of those LSes. But I will say that a pattern of acquiring gear => Jhed getting bored => leaving the LS is well established across multiple communities.

To be fair, I know several people who don't have the time to invest in FFXI to participate in activities that do not directly benefit them. There are also those who get bored with repeating the same dungeons over and over and will back out as soon as they've achieved their ends. I won't throw rocks at them for their decisions. But I would recommend establishing expectations before biting into this apple. It will save heartache and obvious drama to have everything laid out beforehand.

Beanie - Midgardsormr
I'm going back to my vacationing. I have no further interest in this nonsense now that matters have been clarified. I'll see you lovely Midgard peeps on Sunday :}

[Torideal]

Yep Beanie =D I remember you from Tarot, but we really did not play much in the tarot ls. I leveled too slow x_x

For Edge,

My mention of EternalLight was not a first person account as I said in the above post. It was 6 sentences drawn from a much longer account made by Jhedin specifically. The only thing I wanted pulled from it, as I stated above, is that there was bad blood between Jhedin, Sekzy, and Fawk. The full account those statements were taken from, if you are interested, can be found in his live journal, which can be googled.

Second, as far as I know, Jhedin never ran his own sky shell. He belonged to a different shell for sky, but that was not Takara. Takara is Jhedin's salvage shell. I am a member of that shell and Jhedin is the shell holder. He did not tell this salvage shell that he would make every run. He told us that he wants to train 3 people as leaders so we can run more then twice a week or when he's not available if we have the interest to do so.

-Torideal, Judgment

[seph32]

Hi, just like a few others I'm also a member of Howitzer, alright... I'll get straight to the point and give my 2 cents about Jhedin I'll try keep this post short and not make it too long.

Jhed can be a cool guy talking to, I talk to him sometimes he seems like a nice guy. It's such a shame it's not the same when it comes to items, or how he left Howitzer (Dynamis LS) I didn't think I would see this coming from him I can describe his actions rather selfish and uncool leaving Howitzer like that. I was cool with Jhedin, but his actions really suprised me. So other people help you to obtain relic, then after you obtained relic you leave cause you don't need them anymore since you got what you wanted, typical behaviour of a lootwhore.

He was in the same dynamis shell as me after getting relic he left Howitzer which is somehow upsetting and not very cool thing to do not to mention he just got relic and seemed only used Howitzer obtaining Apocalypse, and now Goodbye. Same goes to Windshire (Sky LS) I believe. If you want a relic player with Apocalypse I guess you could take him, If you want someone that's loyal then probably not seeing he left right away after obtaining Apocalypse he might will do this after he obtained items he wants in your LS not sure if you should take him in or not.

I hope this information was useful.

[Cephius]

Ketra is a sweetie, we were good friends for about 2 years despite me leading an opposing HNM shell in a highly competitive and always drama-filled Midgard endgame scene. She is very nice, she helped me out with a few random ingame things and I did the same. I found her pretty level headed about most things. Once she got with Jhedin I did scratch my head over a few choices she made, but it was none of my business so I never really asked her about it.

Jhed I only knew through Ketra, and I never really talked to him about much of anything. He seemed like a decent player, though he came off a bit cocky about some stuff.

[Thistle]

His interest in Sky waned once he'd gotten his C. gauntlet abj.

Same goes to Windshire (Sky LS) I believe.

I hadn't wanted to make a public post about this (I PMed the OP instead), I wasn't sure how the leadership of my social LS would feel about commenting on a (current? former?) member of ours, but since Beanie (one of the said-leaders) posted, I guess that's a go to publically toss something in.

I can second (third) the information about him doing the same thing in Sky that he did everywhere else: Get what he want and then stop showing up.

All other, more personal, opinions can stay in PM.

[Achika]

Interim leader of WindShire here. Jhedin joined WindShire for Sky activities.

Jhedin was accepted into my LS as of 4/23/2008. He stated that he would be unable to attend our Tuesday runs because he was near finished with his Apocalypse. I let this go, him saying that he'd be done in a month, and that he'd then come on Tuesdays.

After he obtained his Apocalypse, he still didn't come till late on our Tuesday runs. Did I bother to look for him? Nope, I figured he was being polite and going to Dynamis for awhile longer, and that didn't bother me, or maybe I'm just too trustworthy of people. I'm guessing from the other replies that my thoughts weren't the case?

Jhedin obtained his wyrmal abjuration: hands on 6/10/2008. This was the only item he received from us that wasn't essentially freelot. He was actually on our list for a bigger item soon.

As of 7/11/2008, he announced to my LS that he was taking a break from the game except for assaults and Salvage.

As of 7/21/2008, he had put in an application to Pandavas.

I had no personal problems with the guy. He seemed willing to help out in whatever way he could, at least during events. A couple people had complained to me that he seemed to want attention, especially after he got his Apocalypse, but I figured this was probably normal, though I did seem to get that same hint from Thistle, whom I talked to prior to accepting Jhedin.

I've just finished reading this thread, and edited my post to reflect things I didn't know beforehand. I'm pretty sure I'm the only WindShire leader/member that actually reads and replies on these boards.

If you want to ask me anything in specific that I didn't cover here, let me know.

[Thistle]

I'm glad you came and commented. I wasn't totally comfortable speaking for you, but I wasn't sure if your position would permit you to comment here either. I didn't name names for that reason! :D

[Achika]

I'm glad you came and commented. I wasn't totally comfortable speaking for you, but I wasn't sure if your position would permit you to comment here either. I didn't name names for that reason! :D

I'm actually mad that you didn't tell me about this! =p I don't typically read the CrossServer App board, but one of my members pointed this out to me today.

I'll tell anyone anything they want to know about my members, past or present, as long as they give me a good reason. I won't sugarcoat it, or crucify them, I'll tell it how it is. This seemed like a good enough reason, and I think everything I said was straightforward.

Edit: Jhedin posted this onto the private section of my LS boards. I'm going to quote it here, but I'd have no issues if people wanted me to move it to a public section of my board. I feel it says some things about him as an applicant, so you can use this in your thoughts.

Windshire -

I am sorry to say I have left Midgard. Think of me as you will. I seem to have garnered a reputation as a lootwhore, although I'm not particularly sure where that came from. Some will say I only used Windshire for Wyrmal Hands (wyrmal hands as my main goal in sky as DRK, seriously?), although that is as false as any rumor about me.

In short, I had a complete falling out with my dynamis shell over my RL break. Apparently, they felt it wasn't appropriate for a member with a month-old relic to take a break of any kind, RL or not. I, for one, do not stand for that. RL needed attention. To be honest, at the time, I didn't know how long I'd be gone - a week, two weeks, a month, six months... I didn't know - so I made a blanket statement that I'd be gone awhile. There were fights between myself and some members and leadership in my Dynamis shell refused to quell the fights, defend either side, or even say "go take care of RL, see you later." Loot does not bind friendships to me; loyalty does. When my loyalty and friendship was basically considered null and void due to my break and relic acquisition timing, I knew my time there was over. I left Howitzer and when that pearl hit the ground, I also lost many friends. In the end, my RL break was over much sooner than I anticipated - if I were to be "official" in my return, I'd say that day was yesterday or today. So it took me about three weeks to sort out what needed sorting out.

Windshire was never going to be a permanent place for me. You guys don't do enough. I planned to spend time here - put in my work, get some items, maybe make some friends, help out where I could. I always had higher goals in mind eventually, to join an HNM that did kings, or Einherjar, or some other activities that Windshire was very likely to never do. This isn't a sleight against you guys - I can't hold the things you don't do against you and I hope you don't hold my ambition to do bigger things against me.

As Achi knows, I had an application pending in Pandavas recently. I put it up as a last ditch effort to remain interested in Midgard and at the behest of a friend there who did not want to see me leave. In the end, it didn't matter. I believe, although I could be wrong, that PV was likely to accept me. If they had, I would have informed you guys then. But even with my app pending there, I was undecided on what I wanted to do.

Yesterday I decided to leave Midgard. There was nothing left for me there, just bitter experiences and lost friendships, for both myself and my RL girlfriend (Ketra). We both felt it was in our best interests, if we were to be happy and to continue playing the game, to find a new home. We have.

I apologize for not making this known to you before, or for asking you guys your thoughts, as I'm aware my actions do impact you as LSmates. But some things you have to figure out on your own. This was one of those things for me.

Best of luck, Windshire.

tl;dr version: Jhedin says that he did not plan on staying with us, and was using us as a stepping stone.

[Ketra]

Hey! We moved to Leviathan last night, so you're just wasting your breath/text/whatever at this point! Just wanted to let people know so they could go troll elsewhere. Thanks!

[coder]

Hey! We moved to Leviathan last night, so you're just wasting your breath/text/whatever at this point! Just wanted to let people know so they could go troll elsewhere. Thanks!

Sorry to burst your bubble honey, but this forum is to warn/ask about recently transferred character past histories.

To add: I can confirm that Jhedin is a very flaky person. Torideal, Jhedin, a couple other friends and myself were doing CoP missions together early on. Apparently our pace was not quick enough for him and he just went ahead without saying anything. I thought I remembered Torideal being upset with him around this time too, I do know they had a falling out of sorts but it could have been later on. This was just over 2 years ago, I also recall him talking about starting his relic scythe at that time.

Past this he seemed to be a nice a guy and was good player.

btw, don't delete this time. kthx =D